Burgess: No trouble found on Rossi's engine

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 9 2007, 10:37 PM) [snapback]100021[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Stoner won by 125 points in a season with some pretty heavy competitors.


not one retirement compared to some other riders ahem...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Noodlerizer @ Nov 9 2007, 07:29 PM) [snapback]99988[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah Ive always had this theory that Rossi just gave up like he did last year at valencia almost like he did not wanna race, but hey thats just me.

What, racing with a broken throttle hand is giving up?! Do you even ride?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 10 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]100024[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
not one retirement compared to some other riders ahem...


Yeah that is amazing how that helps .... almost as much as winning the GP

Whats your point?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 10 2007, 12:46 PM) [snapback]100036[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah that is amazing how that helps .... almost as much as winning the GP

Whats your point?


Dani didn't have any mechanical one's either , so what?
I think RDP took him out in Turkey though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 9 2007, 10:37 PM) [snapback]100021[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes I do .... but This wasn't one of the times I was exercising it.

Stoner won by 125 points in a season with some pretty heavy competitors.

i no, i followed the season !

and i dont think case had the competition he deserved for one reason or another, the points gap proved that !

hopefully he will next season, then he can really prove his worth.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 9 2007, 05:07 PM) [snapback]99958[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

how do you work that out tom ?


I know you're a fan but even you must have realized you've been watching a beaten man this season. The crashes, the moaning, the mediocre performances, its all very un-Rossi. Or at least its not a side of Rossi we have seen before

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 10 2007, 03:09 PM) [snapback]100115[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I know you're a fan but even you must have realized you've been watching a beaten man this season. The crashes, the moaning, the mediocre performances, its all very un-Rossi. Or at least its not a side of Rossi we have seen before

because the rest of the team all pulled there weight before, its not a case of him having a "fragile mind" as you put it, just pure frustration. he is supposed to be at the top of his game yet yamaha and michilin both dragged there ..... and did not come good on there promises now costing 2 championships. honda riders have also shown similar frustrations and rigtly so imo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 10 2007, 03:47 PM) [snapback]100126[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
because the rest of the team all pulled there weight before, its not a case of him having a "fragile mind" as you put it, just pure frustration. he is supposed to be at the top of his game yet yamaha and michilin both dragged there ..... and did not come good on there promises now costing 2 championships. honda riders have also shown similar frustrations and rigtly so imo.


Do you think the Michelin engineers were pissed off when they gave Rossi race winning tyres and he fell off it after only a few laps. It works both ways and losing is obviously frustrating, but they are a team and unless his performance was errorless then it too needs to be addressed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 10 2007, 04:08 PM) [snapback]100135[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Winning 4 GP's in a season end ending 3rd overall is not a mediocre performance by any standards.

Of course if one was laying in ambush waiting for him to have problems and then gloat over it, then the perception can be like he's finished, uselessly whining and moaning, utterly beaten, all but dead and deserving it, etc. etc....


Of course its not a bad season by normal standards, but its Rossi's worst in 10 years. I don't think hes finished just yet, but i think hes seen his best days.

And i'm not gloating anyway, they guy i support is 9th in the world

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 10 2007, 04:12 PM) [snapback]100137[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
they guy i support is 9th in the world
So he must have seen his best days then right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 10 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]100143[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So he must have seen his best days then right?


I would imagine so. I will be surprised if Nicky is the best again. I think this year might prove a blip (like the Rossi brigade hoped 06 was) but he now has something to prove. The differences though are that Nicky has only been here for 5 years, Rossi has more than 10 years behind him, that will take its toll. Hes had a rise, and now he is gradually falling. Obviously its not impossible for him to turn it around, but i'm not convinced he will considering how things have been going. If he does then that'd be great, but if he doesn't come back then its just as interesting to watch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 10 2007, 06:00 PM) [snapback]100158[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I like Hayden, a generous and strong rider and another innocent casualty of the 800cc formula. If bikes had stayed 990cc I am sure he, like Capirossi, would have fared much better this year.

i agree, but im not going to pass to much judgment on riders from this transitional year, next year will tell all imho.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 10 2007, 01:46 AM) [snapback]100036[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah that is amazing how that helps .... almost as much as winning the GP

Whats your point?


you pointed out how many points stoner won by 100+ and your trying to convince us that hes on some higher plain but other riders did not complete some races so his winning margin is slighty exaggerated because his team didn't make any mistakes or bad luck on the mechanical side.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 11 2007, 06:48 AM) [snapback]100175[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you pointed out how many points stoner won by 100+ and your trying to convince us that hes on some higher plain but other riders did not complete some races so his winning margin is slighty exaggerated because his team didn't make any mistakes or bad luck on the mechanical side.


Nor did Stoner make any bad mistakes ...

Stoner won by 125 points ..... thats one hell of a gap.

Its the Duc., its the tyres , its the other bikes, its he TC, its the teams ......

their were other riders on very similar packages ..... he beat them by substantially more than 125 points.

But the best of the other riders could do no better than being as close as 125. The reason why they did fall off or breakdown so much ??? who knows ..... but Stoner sure as hell put them under more pressure than they have had for many years past.

You can deny whats happening I guess thats realy the only reaction if its hard to accept whats happening ... but it is happening.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 11 2007, 12:49 AM) [snapback]100214[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Nor did Stoner make any bad mistakes ...

Stoner won by 125 points ..... thats one hell of a gap.

Its the Duc., its the tyres , its the other bikes, its he TC, its the teams ......

their were other riders on very similar packages ..... he beat them by substantially more than 125 points.

But the best of the other riders could do no better than being as close as 125. The reason why they did fall off or breakdown so much ??? who knows ..... but Stoner sure as hell put them under more pressure than they have had for many years past.

You can deny whats happening I guess thats realy the only reaction if its hard to accept whats happening ... but it is happening.



Stoner not falling off the Ducati, its a hard bike to fall off and Stoner proved that because he was a consistant tosser last year

If you have a fast bike theres no real need to over do it, the other riders mainly Rossi had to compensate alot by taking risks out on the track.

Thats the way it looks anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 11 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]100219[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Stoner not falling off the Ducati, its a hard bike to fall off and Stoner proved that because he was a consistant tosser last year

If you have a fast bike theres no real need to over do it, the other riders mainly Rossi had to compensate alot by taking risks out on the track.

Thats the way it looks anyway.


an4rew you continually seem to contradict yourself. Casey was on a LCR Honda last season and inevitably pushed harder than the bike was capable of to try to keep up last season and fell off a lot. You still mock him for that all the time yet use it as an excuse for Vale this year. You can't have it both ways. Oh and Loris fell off the Ducati at Qatar and at Donnington so it's certainly easy enough to fall off. I mean there is bias and then there is plain double standards.

You mock one rider in the first sentence of your post and then make an excuse for your favourite rider for the same thing in the next sentence.
Unbelievable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Nov 11 2007, 04:32 AM) [snapback]100220[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Casey was on a LCR Honda last season and inevitably pushed harder than the bike was capable of to try to keep up last season and fell off a lot. You still mock him for that all the time yet use it as an excuse for Vale this year. You can't have it both ways.

It was stoners rookie season so i contribute his falling off to that and not neccesarily pushing the bike harder than its capable off.

Vale obviously not a rookie hes one of the most experienced guys out there and it shows how much he had to push this season with up to 15km/h speed deficit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Nov 11 2007, 04:32 AM) [snapback]100220[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Oh and Loris fell off the Ducati at Qatar and at Donnington so it's certainly easy enough to fall off.

wasn't that the first race of the season and the wet one...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 11 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]100219[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Stoner not falling off the Ducati, its a hard bike to fall off and Stoner proved that because he was a consistant tosser last year


You have a different way of thinking thats for sure ....

When Stoner falls its down to him... ???

When Rossi falls ..... its the tyre, its the bike its the TC, its .... whoknows whatever else you construct ...



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 11 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]100219[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If you have a fast bike theres no real need to over do it, the other riders mainly Rossi had to compensate alot by taking risks out on the track.


So when Stoner wins its the Bike???

And when Rossi loses its everybody/thing elses fault?? Who is responsible when he won??





<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 11 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]100219[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats the way it looks anyway.



Not to many folk its not!



You have consistently expressed a dislike of Stoner ... I originally put it down to a "religious" like idolisation of Rossi, on your part ..... but my son met a guy the other day who knew Stoner in Kurri ..... and he has a now joking dislike of Casey ..... the reason ..... Casey stole his girlfriend

Is that what it is with you??