Burgess: No trouble found on Rossi's engine

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Nov 9 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]99882[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
burgess wanted to sign stoner and rossi vetoed it.


I wondered about this too .... Thats why I am surprised folk say "where did Stoner come from?" or the like .... Burgess knew something .... he's been in the game a long while and has worked with a few riders now.

And I think we would be seing Yamaha at the top had he got Stoner ....

But ... it allways seemed odd to me when I heard Rossi vetoed getting Stoner .... what could have been his reasons?

Imagine had Stoner gone Yamaha .... I can't say he would have won as many GP's ( but who knows ) but I think he would have beaten Rossi ..... I can't see Rossi being as gracious as Capi. was so wow what a season that would have been.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 9 2007, 01:38 PM) [snapback]99921[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
But ... it allways seemed odd to me when I heard Rossi vetoed getting Stoner .... what could have been his reasons?

Imagine had Stoner gone Yamaha .... I can't say he would have won as many GP's ( but who knows ) but I think he would have beaten Rossi ..... I can't see Rossi being as gracious as Capi. was so wow what a season that would have been.

He probably liked having colin edwards as a tyre tester, and recognised the advantage of having a clear number one rider, and perhaps rightly judged that casey would not be suited to the role of a number two rider. Much as everyone including me philosophically objects to riders on a team not being treated equally, in cold hard reality it makes sense to have a number one. McLaren would have one more F1 championship if they had done this in 2007.

I think valentino would be celebrating his 6th premier class world championship if casey had gone to yamaha. Even putting aside questions of their relative ability at this stage in their careers, the bike was designed around valentino and casey was famously unable to ride with the michelin front tyre even when the michelins were supposedly better in 2006. Also, unless they had got someone completely from left-field it is hard to see where ducati could have got someone else to ride the 2007 ducati like casey did.

I think if the mechanical faliure did in fact not exist, i would never suggest that Rossi made it up. However it is not impossible that we see another insight into rossi's ever more fragile mind. He has had issues trusting his bike and his tyres this season, and if he was unsure he was safe then the best thing to do (considering his injury) was to bring it in. Either way it makes little difference now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 9 2007, 03:33 PM) [snapback]99935[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
. I disagree he would have done better than Valentino on this year's Yamaha - no way.


its all speculation of course, but i think Stoner would have the edge.

Well this could be taken advantage of. Honda or some other team sends in a guy to split the team up but suggesting to one the rider can override any problem so don't worry you have Rossi and to the rider you deserve the best so don't try until you get it. Then the fights begin and the team is torn apart. Happens in every other situation why not this one? They have to come together as a team. Rossi is all proud of his team when he wins and ..... on them when they lose. He has to commit and so does Yamaha before they are the laughing stock of the paddock.

GO Loris!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 9 2007, 01:38 PM) [snapback]99921[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Imagine had Stoner gone Yamaha .... I can't say he would have won as many GP's ( but who knows ) but I think he would have beaten Rossi ..... I can't see Rossi being as gracious as Capi. was so wow what a season that would have been.


If Stoner was at Yamaha he would be costing them a mint on spare parts

Even Capirossi has trouble falling of that Ducati and i've seen him well out of shape many times these past few yrs.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 9 2007, 01:38 PM) [snapback]99921[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I wondered about this too .... Thats why I am surprised folk say "where did Stoner come from?" or the like .... Burgess knew something .... he's been in the game a long while and has worked with a few riders now.

And I think we would be seing Yamaha at the top had he got Stoner ....

But ... it allways seemed odd to me when I heard Rossi vetoed getting Stoner .... what could have been his reasons?

Imagine had Stoner gone Yamaha .... I can't say he would have won as many GP's ( but who knows ) but I think he would have beaten Rossi ..... I can't see Rossi being as gracious as Capi. was so wow what a season that would have been.

you have a great sense of humor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 9 2007, 03:14 PM) [snapback]99932[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think if the mechanical faliure did in fact not exist, i would never suggest that Rossi made it up. However it is not impossible that we see another insight into rossi's ever more fragile mind. He has had issues trusting his bike and his tyres this season, and if he was unsure he was safe then the best thing to do (considering his injury) was to bring it in. Either way it makes little difference now.

how do you work that out tom ?

IS nobody going to point out that JB, being Rossi's crew Cheif would have .... all to do with rider signings?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 9 2007, 03:33 PM) [snapback]99935[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Agree 100% and the last point you make really hits a sensitive spot... I'm beginning to think that this Ducati is a very difficult beast to ride, and maybe the key of the whole matter is simply that Stoner is the only rider capable to tame it and exploit its potential fully, so far. The quickness with which Ducati extended his contract indicates they had a revelation with Stoner, about the potential of their own bike.

The hesitant start by Melandri seems to confirm Ducati is one wild and dark horse, unless Marco's been extra cautious (but if a rider feels comfortable on a bike, the times come by themselves as Capirossi showed very well on the Suzuki...). We'll see!

Apparently MRNG said that he changed nothing of Capirossi's settings for the first test in order to get some benchmark data. He said he's planning on some fairly major setup changes for the next test. As you say, we'll see...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 9 2007, 09:10 AM) [snapback]99916[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's right, remember after Quatar Rossi was all smiles, saying confidently that the championship was long... and he continued like that for three or four races. Only after Stoner proved he could win in Europe also, they got seriously worried.

yeah i remember ol colin sayin rossi & him finishin 1-2 should be no problem.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 9 2007, 05:19 PM) [snapback]99966[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Apparently MRNG said that he changed nothing of Capirossi's settings for the first test in order to get some benchmark data. He said he's planning on some fairly major setup changes for the next test. As you say, we'll see...


I actually asked whether marco was riding capirossi's old bike on the valencia testing thread with this point in mind, whether it was loris's bike rather than marco that was relatively slow, particularly since elias and guintoli seemed to do ok.

I am not arguing the ducati is difficult to ride fast because it is brutal or will throw you off, just that it seems to need to be ridden in a different way which capirossi at least did not master. On the evidence of tuesday and wednesday, loris on a suzuki still would appear to be quite fast.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 9 2007, 06:17 PM) [snapback]99964[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
IS nobody going to point out that JB, being Rossi's crew Cheif would have .... all to do with rider signings?

I DID mean to point that out earlier but forgot.

As for saying Rossi shis on his team every time he loses (sorry I didn't quote whoever it was..), I can't let that one pass. It's simply being unfair. He always says 'we' and 'us' in his post race comments. It's only now that he's openly commented about the lack of resources within the engineering department at Yamaha, not his team. He never ..... on his team. Ever. I've never heard him say the team let him down. He says things like 'we didn't get it right' not 'they didn't get it right. Get your facts straight!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 9 2007, 05:17 PM) [snapback]99964[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
IS nobody going to point out that JB, being Rossi's crew Cheif would have .... all to do with rider signings?

All the more reason why rossi may have started to get pissed off with him, because he definitely said he thought yamaha should sign stoner unless the direct quote on another forum where they were re-visiting what was said before the season was falsified.

I was not criticising rossi ( I believe it is in general fairly stupid to do so), just saying this might be a further indication that burgess and rossi were not as much in harmony as previously. Who knows, it is speculative, but perhaps burgess might want to stay at yamaha after rossi retires or leaves.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Nov 9 2007, 05:45 PM) [snapback]99975[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
All the more reason why rossi may have started to get pissed off with him, because he definitely said he thought yamaha should sign stoner unless the direct quote on another forum where they were re-visiting what was said before the season was falsified.

Being asked the question "Do you think Yamaha should sign Stoner?" & actually having any influence on signing are two different things. The two wheel tabloids tried to play it up as nationalistic, that Rossi was worried JB would work with Stoner & abondon Rossi, because Casey is an Aussie. That I found to be a crazy notion after all these years, & after switching teams together.

I've seen lots of people say that there is friction between the two this year, especially in the body language. I've watched every session I could, observed them in the pits & pre-race together & I haven't seen a bit of it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Nov 9 2007, 05:43 PM) [snapback]99974[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
As for saying Rossi shis on his team every time he loses (sorry I didn't quote whoever it was..), I can't let that one pass. It's simply being unfair. He always says 'we' and 'us' in his post race comments. It's only now that he's openly commented about the lack of resources within the engineering department at Yamaha, not his team. He never ..... on his team. Ever. I've never heard him say the team let him down. He says things like 'we didn't get it right' not 'they didn't get it right. Get your facts straight!

In the BBC interview that skidmark posted he says the very words "Yamaha is in my heart"

I've never seen him disrespect the guys in the garage, even when they perhaps deserved it (Tyre warmers at Motegi)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 9 2007, 06:03 PM) [snapback]99977[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Being asked the question "Do you think Yamaha should sign Stoner?" & actually having any influence on signing are two different things. The two wheel tabloids tried to play it up as nationalistic, that Rossi was worried JB would work with Stoner & abondon Rossi, because Casey is an Aussie. That I found to be a crazy notion after all these years, & after switching teams together.

It is fairly late in australia. I meant to say burgess wanted them to sign stoner, actually being aware that burgess probably doesn't negotiate rider's contracts( ), although he could conceivably be consulted about yamaha's longer term plans.

I actually wasn't following the forums last year, just watching the races and following the press coverage in australia as I have for many years. I am not aware of any talk at that time in australia about burgess switching to stoner, and there was no expectation that stoner would win the world championship this year with ducati or yamaha, not even from stoner himself.

If the tabloids tried to beat up a nationalistic thing, then I agree it was ridiculous.

Yeah Ive always had this theory that Rossi just gave up like he did last year at valencia almost like he did not wanna race, but hey thats just me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 10 2007, 04:07 AM) [snapback]99958[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you have a great sense of humor.


Yes I do .... but This wasn't one of the times I was exercising it.

Stoner won by 125 points in a season with some pretty heavy competitors.