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Burgess interview (on Stoner, Honda and the gearbox) / Casey Interview (on Honda, the move from Duca

the thing is you express personal opinions and impressions as facts



Most the people on this board come out with rubbish like 'Stoner is teh only alien in MotoGp', 'Rossi can't ride a Ducati'....only your happy to lap up that .........



Anyway, Kropotkin and others had written at length about why Ducati wanted Lorenzo. Bury your head in the sand all you like.
 
Most the people on this board come out with rubbish like 'Stoner is teh only alien in MotoGp', 'Rossi can't ride a Ducati'....only your happy to lap up that .........



Anyway, Kropotkin and others had written at length about why Ducati wanted Lorenzo. Bury your head in the sand all you like.



How many Ducati riders do you think will be finishing ahead of Rossi in today's race? Never mind how many Hondas and Yamahas.



And so what if Kropotikin wrote etc etc? That's a rather vague statement. Try a little specificity why don't you?



Lastly - the "why" of Ducati wanting to hire Lorenzo has never been an issue. It's the piss-poor treatment of the low-salaried,

Ducati-taming, winner of Ducati's only world championship that is so questionable.
 
How many Ducati riders do you think will be finishing ahead of Rossi in today's race? Never mind how many Hondas and Yamahas.



And so what if Kropotikin wrote etc etc? That's a rather vague statement. Try a little specificity why don't you?



Lastly - the "why" of Ducati wanting to hire Lorenzo has never been an issue. It's the piss-poor treatment of the low-salaried,

Ducati-taming, winner of Ducati's only world championship that is so questionable.



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Ducati weren't happy that Stoner wanted to do the bare minimum on the commercial side.



Never really tamed it did he? He crashed five times last season
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Stoner doesn't sell anywhere near as many bikes as Rossi and other top riders in the sport do/have.



Even Lorenzo is much better known to mainstream fans. Stoner's a very good rider, but he has no personality, isn't very marketable and is always putting his foot in his mouth. It's why Ducati were happy to pay Lorenzo more - just as much talent and far more marketability.



You do have a point, but marketability is not the same as selling bikes. I reckon rossi does sell alot more little yellow flags, t-shirt & hats than just about anyone, but as to whether he sells more bikes, who can say? I usually buy a bike based on whether i enjoy riding it, but I mainly buy second hand so value for money is nearly number one for me. Condition and specs are pretty important also, but i'll usually have a couple of bikes in mind, so price may help swing it one way or another. Winning helps selling too, so for honda, looks like they just wanted to win. But for marlboro ducati, they probably wanted that, plus marketability for cigarettes & soft drinks, & whatever else, so there is a business case for that too.
 
You do have a point, but marketability is not the same as selling bikes. I reckon rossi does sell alot more little yellow flags, t-shirt & hats than just about anyone, but as to whether he sells more bikes, who can say? I usually buy a bike based on whether i enjoy riding it, but I mainly buy second hand so value for money is nearly number one for me. Condition and specs are pretty important also, but i'll usually have a couple of bikes in mind, so price may help swing it one way or another. Winning helps selling too, so for honda, looks like they just wanted to win. But for marlboro ducati, they probably wanted that, plus marketability for cigarettes & soft drinks, & whatever else, so there is a business case for that too.



Yeah good points. It definitely seemed that Marlboro weren't totally enamoured with Stoner.



Whether Ducati made the right decision in letting Stoner go, we'll find out.
 
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Ducati weren't happy that Stoner wanted to do the bare minimum on the commercial side.



Never really tamed it did he? He crashed five times last season
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Rode it to the top of the podium for more 800cc victories than any rider on any other brand.



Lets see if Rossi can match that. (He can't; this is the last season for 800s)
 
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Rode it to the top of the podium for more 800cc victories than any rider on any other brand.



Lets see if Rossi can match that. (He can't; this is the last season for 800s)



Doubt he'll crash five times either. He'll focus on making the Desmo driveable instead of just racing 'on the limit' and complaining about stability when he bins it.
 
Yeah good points. It definitely seemed that Marlboro weren't totally enamoured with Stoner.



Whether Ducati made the right decision in letting Stoner go, we'll find out.



Unfortunately for ducati, because they are such a small factory and motogp is such a big expense for them, they have to operate their motogp teams at or near the black. That's why even if they wanted to keep stoner, once Marlboro said they didn't want him, he wont sell as many cigarettes etc... He was gIven an offer to just piss off. Honda have a business case too, buts it's more along the lines of let's win & sell x million more repsol scooters in Asia. So their business case can get by without the guy even speaking English, let alone being media savvy. I'm being over the top, but I basically, that's how each makes mOney.
 
after the 07 season, contract time came around, and ducati said we got no money, so instead of taking alot of money for yourself, we pay you the bare minimum and we will put the money saved on the rider into development cost. Stoner said fiar enough. he wasnt greedy. hes in it to win races, not to make money. then when ducati offers lorenzo 15million per season, well that is a real slap in the face, when youve given up millions to stay with the team.
 
Bull crap. Total ....... Bull Crap. Stoner, like half the people on this ....... planet, is an introvert. People like him are self motivating and self validating. He doesn't need the adoration of the fans, and doesn't see the point in planting flags or jumping around like a circus monkey after a win. As for foot-in-mouth, I give him full credit for being straightforward and honest. If he's pissed off, if he feels you did him wrong, he'll say so. Good on him! I'd MUCH rather listen to an honest whine/rant than the sneaky, snarky, backstabbing jibes we often hear from The Chosen One.



Unfortunately, you do have a point with the marketing. Every team, every sponsor, is ultimately funded by Marketing Monkeys who all want the next Rossi. Looking at the big picture, Marketing Monkeys ....... SUCK. In the process of spending trillions to pimp their .... to us good little consumers, hey have utterly poisoned our society with artificial values and desires. Honesty and a quiet demeanor just aren't very marketable / exploitable / 'useful' in this day and age, so if you're not Rossi or Gaga, you're no one. Nino, before passing High-and-Holy judgement and condemning Stoner as having a 'bad' personality, maybe you should pause to ask yourself, "And who's fault is that?"



End early morning, pre-coffee rant!



Excellent post
 
It's not personality - it's about the wins. What do you want to bet sales of Ducati sport bikes decline this year?

Even the most rabid fan-boys (a fickle bunch if ever there were one) won't go out and plunk down $18,000.00

in order to be seen at the Burger King, riding the bike that the clown prince of Moto-Media is riding to a

magnificent 7th place.



Re: Stoner's personality - I'll wager his being on a team that makes a nearly flawless bike, with proper

support from upper mgmt, and not having to ride around the idiosyncrasies of the Dukey - will make

for a much more relaxed and exuberant Stoner. Tho I wouldn't even look at one in the showroom the

last four years - I'm keeping my eye out for nice 2009 or 2010 Repsol replica in good shape (if the price

is right).





And another..............



I think, thes days, Stoner is very personable and informative. Having a sorted Honda under him, has produced a new state of serenity...............



I get a feeling (having watched the race), that he is heading towards the race craft of Rossi pre 2006, where he only rode as fast as what he had to, and was able to ride strategically. Already Qatar is evidence of that.



On the Ducati , it was a struggle to ride fast, so perhaps he felt the urgency to build up a big lead.
 
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Ducati weren't happy that Stoner wanted to do the bare minimum on the commercial side.



Never really tamed it did he? He crashed five times last season
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You are a DUMB ...!!!! Who has won more for Ducati since they have been in motogp??













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No they want someone who can develop the bike
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You have proved yourself to be more of an ..... with every post so far. When Marco Melandri was at Ducati, he told them of the problems with the bike. They refused to belive they had a problem and send him to see a shrink.



Doubt he'll crash five times either. He'll focus on making the Desmo driveable instead of just racing 'on the limit' and complaining about stability when he bins it.





Yeah! But he crashed one BIG time last year, trying to out preform his younger team mate on equal machine. Almost went down again today at Qatar trying to hold Spies. Rest assure he will go down trying to understand/grok the Ducati this season. I guess you missed Kroptokin post.









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Thanks for that Nostradamus. Maybe you can tell us which races Rossi will crash at so I can head to the bookies.



Funny how you to resort to insults. Melandri ffs.
 
and your point??? the question IS. who has won more races for Ducati in motogp than Casey Stoner??



Stupid question. I never said Stoner wasn't fast on the Ducati, I said it's silly for people to say Rossi cant ride the Ducati after one race, and that Stoner had a propensity to crashing.
 
Thanks for that Nostradamus. Maybe you can tell us which races Rossi will crash at so I can head to the bookies.



Funny how you to resort to insults. Melandri ffs.





Not insults dude....... You are posting nonsense that will get you unfavorable response! Fact is no one to this date has done more for Ducati in Motogp than Casey Stoner. Wins, Crashes & Mecahnical failure is all part of the sport.



One other thing; that bit on Casey not wanting to do his PR work is no different from Rossi. Go dig up some old motogp news from 2003 on your boy Rossi & his HRC contract. Maybe Jum, Barry or one of the more exprerience member will fill you in.











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