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Not insults dude....... You are posting nonsense that will get you unfavorable response! Fact is no one to this date has done more for Ducati in Motogp than Casey Stoner. Wins, Crashes & Mecahnical failure is all part of the sport.



One other thing; that bit on Casey not wanting to do his PR work is no different from Rossi. Go dig up some old motogp news from 2003 on your boy Rossi & his HRC contract. Maybe Jum, Barry or one of the more exprerience member will fill you in.



Five out of 18 is way too many. I thought the same about Rossi in 2007.



Stoner did a very good job in 2007 on a new bike (albeit on comfortably the fastest bike in terms of straight line speed), but his final two seasons at Ducati were poor. If Rossi has a similar year this season, I'll say the same thing.
 
Doubt he'll crash five times either. He'll focus on making the Desmo driveable instead of just racing 'on the limit' and complaining about stability when he bins it.



Agreed that he won't crash 5 times. Unfortunately while he is busy not crashing it looks like he's spending some time down in Suzuki or Gresini territory in the results and lap charts. Given just how popular Rossi is there are going to be many, many questions asked about Ducati's ability to build a bike. Maybe that is good publicity for Marlboro but for Ducati its a PR nightmare.



And they can't just make the Desmo 'driveable' - they have to make it win. Finishing off the podium is pretty much useless for all involved for sponsor publicity & restoring reputations. Fair or not if Rossi can't find a couple of races where he can run faster than 3 of the 5 factory Hondas/Yamahas the season will look like a huge mistake.
 
As an occasional poster for a number of year, I must say it does appear that the anti-Rossi feeling has grown on this board. Of course, we all choose riders to we want to win and by definition riders we want to lose, riders we warm to and riders who leave us cold. I am like Valentino and I want him to win. However, I like to think that I am a reasonable person and that I can look at a situation objectively. At the moment, the best two riders in Motogp are Lorenzo and Stoner and fortunately for them, they are on very good bikes. I hope, of course, that as his shoulder gets better and he is more able to make the Ducati more to his liking, that Rossi will be able to challenge them for wins this year. It is entirely possible that Rossi won't be able to solve the Ducati, much like Melandri and Hayden never did, but he is a 9 times World Champion and if anyone can, I suspect he and JB can.



I'd guess that much of the anit-Rossi attitude comes from the older hardcore motogp fans who were fans from way way back and kind of resent, any newcomer fan pointing out that this Rossi chap is quite good, y'know. Because of their experience, they are able to see through the Rossi hype and clearly recognise that he is nothing special, never was, and that anyone who opposes such a view is a mere bopper.



Simply put, Rossi is one of the GOATs. None of the others currently riding can even be considered as GOATs.
 
No they want someone who can develop the bike
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Doubt he'll crash five times either. He'll focus on making the Desmo driveable instead of just racing 'on the limit' and complaining about stability when he bins it.





What is more important? Less crashes? or More wins?



And for the record... just how many times do you think Rossi crashed last year? (Hint: more than five times)
 
Five out of 18 is way too many. I thought the same about Rossi in 2007.



Stoner did a very good job in 2007 on a new bike (albeit on comfortably the fastest bike in terms of straight line speed), but his final two seasons at Ducati were poor. If Rossi has a similar year this season, I'll say the same thing.



I will bet you money or beer - that Rossi will not equal Stoner's year end point total from 2010.
 
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Ducati weren't happy that Stoner wanted to do the bare minimum on the commercial side.




Never really tamed it did he? He crashed five times last season
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You really do like to pull 'em out of your hat. Link please!



Man... talk about shooting fish in a barrel.
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What is more important? Less crashes? or More wins?



And for the record... just how many times do you think Rossi crashed last year? (Hint: more than five times)



What's important is not crashing and going fast - Stoner wasn't able to do that last year. Of the aliens only Lorenzo managed that last year



How can Stoner be happy finishing behind Rossi and Pedrosa who missed several races due to their own accidents? That's pretty lame. Even Dovisioso nearly finished above him, and he had his own retirement issues!
 
You really do like to pull 'em out of your hat. Link please!



Man... talk about shooting fish in a barrel.
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Should have said Marlboro but essentially Marlboro have a big say in what Ducati do:



Stoner has frequently refused to help out with marketing and promotional activities, believing that his job is that of a motorcycle racer, and as such, his main priority should be to focus 100% on winning races, and not get distracted by the fripperies of marketing. Marlboro disagrees, as they might considering they pay tens of millions of euros to pay for the program which allows Stoner to race.





With one extremely successful rider already at Ducati, why would Marlboro want to secure the services of another, and risk upsetting the only man who has so far brought them a world title? The answer is simple: Casey Stoner may appear on the podium regularly, but as far as appearances off the bike, he is extremely unwilling to play ball. Rider appearances, corporate entertaining, all the boring stuff that persuades sponsors to keep paying the bills, Stoner loathes it and keeps his commitments to a minimum. Even something as simple as a publicity shot is impossible to organize, with body doubles in leathers posing for glamour shots while Stoner's face is photoshopped in afterwards.



http://motomatters.com/news/2009/08/20/it_s_done_lorenzo_signs_for_ducati_proba.html

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/08/18/ducati_s_offer_to_lorenzo_is_it_35_5_mil.html



As I said before, Stoner's personality (or lack thereof) didn't do him any favours in terms of his commercial viability:



I haven't said he's a 'bad' personality, just boring. He reminds of some of the F1 drivers, like Button and Hamilton.



Doesn't mean he doesn't occasionally have interesting stuff to say, but at the end of the day, the sponsors often pay a significant amount towards a riders pay packet. It's a bit naive to want a significantly bigger deal even if you're winning races, when you only want to do the bare minimum in commercial terms.



MotoGP just like football, is as much as a business as it is a sport. No point crying about it when the riders are enjoying the benefits of this earning millions of pounds every season.



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What's important is not crashing and going fast - Stoner wasn't able to do that last year. Of the aliens only Lorenzo managed that last year



How can Stoner be happy finishing behind Rossi and Pedrosa who missed several races due to their own accidents? That's pretty lame. Even Dovisioso nearly finished above him, and he had his own retirement issues!



4th in motogp is lame? Seriously? It is a motogp riders job to find the best balance between speed and risk, if Rossi can't win as many races as Stoner did last year, score as many points and finish at least 4th he will appear to have done a much poorer job, especially considering the support he gets from the factory.



As I said before, Stoner's personality (or lack thereof) didn't do him any favours in terms of his commercial viability:





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Wrong. Stoner does not 'lack' personality, he just doesn't have a personality that you like.
 
Stoner doesn't sell anywhere near as many bikes as Rossi and other top riders in the sport do/have.



Even Lorenzo is much better known to mainstream fans. Stoner's a very good rider, but he has no personality, isn't very marketable and is always putting his foot in his mouth. It's why Ducati were happy to pay Lorenzo more - just as much talent and far more marketability.

Despite lorenzo being the world champion and his better marketability, yamaha don't appear to have a major sponsor this year and dani is more popular than him in spain. Agree with him having equal talent to stoner; if he wins the championship again this year he will prove himself to have more.



Ducati had a big spike in sales and turned a profit after stoner's 2007 win. I think it was marlboro, and in particular the egregious "marlboro man", their marketing guy involved with motogp, who had a problem with stoner, and I would regard not impressing such people as a positive for stoner. I think stoner will be a good fit at honda as long as he wins, they have never seemed to be interested in personality cultism with their riders as far as I can recall, and seemed to quite like mick doohan who was taciturn at best.



It is fair comment that stoner had a bad year at ducati in 2009 as you say later; this was due to him as he has freely said, but involved health issues not in his control. Notwithstanding this frequent health issues don't cut it in motogp as I said at the time, it is a ruthless business and it is up to the rider to present himself on the grid fit to race. 2010 is different; every time rossi gets on the bike it becomes clearer that the bike has issues, and seeing the bike was pretty deliberately developed away from stoner, perhaps even in anticipation of valentino, I think it is harsh to blame him. If valentino can fix the bike with relatively minor tweaks rather than major re-design it will be fair to some extent to blame stoner for not developing it, but this does not look particularly likely just at present. Whether win it or bin it is better than running around safely in 4th or 5th which stoner I am sure could have done is hard to know and somewhat of a philosophical question. Stoner was seen by some (including ducati it would seem who don't appear to have appreciated the extent of the bike issues) as a little erratic so him binning it but still demonstrating the bike could be a race winner was probably not so bad for ducati. Both valentino running around consistently in 4th or 5th or frequently binning it would be terrible commercially/marketing wise for ducati/marlboro, as it will be fairly hard to attribute either to anything other than the bike.
 
What's important is not crashing and going fast - Stoner wasn't able to do that last year. Of the aliens only Lorenzo managed that last year



How can Stoner be happy finishing behind Rossi and Pedrosa who missed several races due to their own accidents? That's pretty lame. Even Dovisioso nearly finished above him, and he had his own retirement issues!



It was an either or question. Not multiple choice.
 
Several points to try to cover, but first it has to be in relation to Ducatti and the terrible way the managed Casey's contract and in effect lost him to the other side.



All the claims of they wanted Rossi to sell more bikes because he has more of a following/is more personable or similar, are in my opinion misinformed. The single biggest way for a company to sell its products is to win races and championships. Look at it in reverse, HRC had Repsol and Pedrosa, from a geographical and population stand point there is no way Casey and Australia can purchase as many products as Dani and Spain can. However HRC threw the kitchen sink at Casey to get him, including hiring Livio Supo 18 months in advance to give them the game plan to attract Casey. They knew the single most important thing they could do to make money (what its all about) was to win races and the title.



Ducatti in turn were flippant about what Casey could do on the bike, they believed that Rossi could replicate it and in turn felt Casey was replaceable. In my opinion I dont think Rossi will be able to, and for all the talk of Rossi developing the bike, I just dont see what is meant by this. Casey has stated several times that Ducatti do not develop their bikes. In his time there what was rolled out for race one was the same bike that they completed the season with. They obviously tried to adjust set ups etc... but they did not introduce new parts, other than perhaps a few minor things. So what they do now will be interesting to watch and see how the 'Develop'. ITs entirley possible that Casey's opinion of what constitutes development is not what Ducatti's is, ie putting a winglet on the front end to stop it from washing out.



Casey has always suggested, even back in the 250's that Lorenzo is the real deal, his title last season was not due to him copying Rossi, he won that on merit and will be around for a good long time. Rossi will come good on the Duke but I cant see him troubling the top 3.



What is the genearl thought of how this season will reflect on the retrospective riders and teams of Casey and Rossi. Clearly its resluts dependant right? If Rossi is quick and wins races the Ducatti are laughing all the way to the bank, if Casey fails and has an average season, multiple crashes and does not show the occasional flash of speed then Honda will assume that Dani was taking the bike to its capacity in the last few seasons and re soildate their support for him.



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If Casey nails it wins lots of races, and lets say not the title, shows his speed and looses out to Lorenzo or Dani, and Rossi struggles all season on the Duke (yes very unlikley) then it in effect suley will taint his image and demonstrate that the Duke really is a terrible bike.



All hypothetical but the point remains, its about winning races, all of this doing x amount of PR and Duke wanted to get rid of Casey because he was over it etc... dont make sense to me. Casey did his share, but he was in the top couple of riders out there. Duke have made the call that Rossi can replicate Caseys results, if they did not believe that they would have made a stronger play to keep Case. I just tend to think they have got it wrong, time will tell.
 
is200, Good post.



Your thoughts concur with mine, and your insider status lends credence to your post.
 
Simply put, Rossi is one of the GOATs. None of the others currently riding can even be considered as GOATs.





How many years does Rossi has on his YOUNGER UPCOMMING competitors in the PREMIER class?? Think before you write the above nonsense...............





















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Should have said Marlboro but essentially Marlboro have a big say in what Ducati do:













http://motomatters.com/news/2009/08/20/it_s_done_lorenzo_signs_for_ducati_proba.html

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/08/18/ducati_s_offer_to_lorenzo_is_it_35_5_mil.html



As I said before, Stoner's personality (or lack thereof) didn't do him any favours in terms of his commercial viability:







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Listen man! If you gonna dig. Just dont scratch the surface................. Go all the way back to 2003 Rossi & HRC/yamaha contracts shenanigans. It was all over the press, your boy did not honor alot of his PR work with HRC. Infact that was one of the things yamaha used to lure him over to them. Not to mention him Rossi having his personal expense bills sent to HRC for payment. Lets not forget about his tax evasion.





Rossi is currently one of the greatest rider today. But the man is far from perfect & he is no one to worship, the way you boppers do.













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4th in motogp is lame? Seriously? It is a motogp riders job to find the best balance between speed and risk, if Rossi can't win as many races as Stoner did last year, score as many points and finish at least 4th he will appear to have done a much poorer job, especially considering the support he gets from the factory.

Wrong. Stoner does not 'lack' personality, he just doesn't have a personality.



Yes it is lame when you consider Rossi and Pedrosa missed four and three races respectively, and spent much of the rest of the season in less than 100% condition. Even then Stoner couldn't beat them because he kept binning the bike.



Obviously if Rossi gets less points/wins then it will be a failure - but I've got a feeling he won't crash half as often as Stoner did and will actually develop the bike.



And don't blame it on support. Ducati gave him plenty of support.
 
Guess it comes down to what you're trying to sell. If it's motorcycles, I'd say go for Stoner. If it's fluffy yellow stuffed animals, Rossi's the way to go.





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If it's Prozac, you definitely want Lorenzo.
 
Five out of 18 is way too many. I thought the same about Rossi in 2007.



Stoner did a very good job in 2007 on a new bike (albeit on comfortably the fastest bike in terms of straight line speed), but his final two seasons at Ducati were poor. If Rossi has a similar year this season, I'll say the same thing.



Rossi came within a bee's .... of wading it last night. We all saw his big save (on his knee) while fighting with Spies. Stoner: "That's racing (the Ducati), Valentino!" We'll have to wait and see how hard 46 is willing to push his luck. FWIW, I give Stoner huge credit for just that, being willing to push a temperamental bike to the limit in search of wins. That's what #34 did every time he got on the bike, and people loved him for it. Why does Stoner not deserve the same credit?
 
Rossi came within a bee's .... of wading it last night. We all saw his big save (on his knee) while fighting with Spies. Stoner: "That's racing (the Ducati), Valentino!" We'll have to wait and see how hard 46 is willing to push his luck. FWIW, I give Stoner huge credit for just that, being willing to push a temperamental bike to the limit in search of wins. That's what #34 did every time he got on the bike, and people loved him for it. Why does Stoner not deserve the same credit?

Who was #34? Sorry about my ignorance
 
How many years does Rossi has on his YOUNGER UPCOMMING competitors in the PREMIER class?? Think before you write the above nonsense...............





















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...yet. Lorenzo & Stoner may be all time greats in time but if their careers ended now, imho, they wouldn't have done enough to have earned that accolade.
 

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