Burgess interview (on Stoner, Honda and the gearbox) / Casey Interview (on Honda, the move from Duca

Jumkie · Mar 28, 2011

s1deburns said:
Hi All,

Thanks to the guys who did the typing! Very cool info.

There is no doubting the awesome skill that is Stoner, his style is wonderfull to watch, however he is a far cry from Rossi. Don’t forget Stoner has already spent time on a Honda, and faild. Rosis stats are jaw droping. Simonchelli Is a fantastic riider no doupt, i am a big fan! he is going to have to spit or bust this year tho. i dont know what the show boater coment stems from?

This is a great forum, Cheers gents.

Well come the forum.

I wouldn't say "failed". As a rookie he finished 6th in his first ever MotoGP race and then backed that up with a pole position in Qatar where he finished 5th. The following race at Turkey, he finished just one off the win in 2nd. Sure, he had several falls, but he also had several good showings as a rookie, and finished the year 8th in the championship on the LCR.

povol · Mar 28, 2011

Jumkie said:
Well come the forum.

I wouldn't say "failed". As a rookie he finished 6th in his first ever MotoGP race and then backed that up with a pole position in Qatar where he finished 5th. The following race at Turkey, he finished just one off the win in 2nd. Sure, he had several falls, but he also had several good showings as a rookie, and finished the year 8th in the championship on the LCR.

This is Simo's second year on a Honda, it is also Stoners second year on a Honda. Both finished 8th in their rookie season on customer Honda's, lets see how they finish this year on factory equipment.

LittleEgg · Mar 28, 2011

povol said:
This is Simo's second year on a Honda, it is also Stoners second year on a Honda. Both finished 8th in their rookie season on customer Honda's, lets see how they finish this year on factory equipment.

I think simo will do very well, and expect a stonger second part to his season like last year.

However what do you guys think to his huge frame on the tiny honda? Normally youd think it would have positives and negatives, but as the honda is clearly a small bike, designed with a very small rider in mind.....it makes me wonder if it will limit what simo can do?

I guess we'll see.

frizzle · Mar 28, 2011

Rob said:
I think simo will do very well, and expect a stonger second part to his season like last year.

However what do you guys think to his huge frame on the tiny honda? Normally youd think it would have positives and negatives, but as the honda is clearly a small bike, designed with a very small rider in mind.....it makes me wonder if it will limit what simo can do?

I guess we'll see.

It's certainly not going to help him, nor the fuel limit.

Next years regs may go a little way to bridging the small gap to the front that exists now.

Perhaps Honda not building a mini bike might be a good idea as well.

Keshav · Mar 28, 2011

Rob said:
I think simo will do very well, and expect a stonger second part to his season like last year.

However what do you guys think to his huge frame on the tiny honda? Normally youd think it would have positives and negatives, but as the honda is clearly a small bike, designed with a very small rider in mind.....it makes me wonder if it will limit what simo can do?

I guess we'll see.

No worries - his losses in terms of wind resistance and general ergonomics

- will be addressed in the form of brutal passes and tactics worth of the Siling Vandals.

He's been relatively well behaved thus far - but when it starts to feel like it really matters

Simoncelli will show his true colors.

povol · Mar 28, 2011

Rob said:
I think simo will do very well, and expect a stonger second part to his season like last year.

However what do you guys think to his huge frame on the tiny honda? Normally youd think it would have positives and negatives, but as the honda is clearly a small bike, designed with a very small rider in mind.....it makes me wonder if it will limit what simo can do?

I guess we'll see.

No one looks as ridiculously out of place on a bike as Scassa does on the WSS R6. If he can win on a 600 that has less than half the torque of a GP bike, Simo cant use his size as an excuse.11662:scassadoninton11301172408.jpg]

Andy Roo · Mar 28, 2011

s1deburns said:
Hi All,

Thanks to the guys who did the typing! Very cool info.

There is no doubting the awesome skill that is Stoner, his style is wonderfull to watch, however he is a far cry from Rossi. Don’t forget Stoner has already spent time on a Honda, and faild. Rosis stats are jaw droping. Simonchelli Is a fantastic riider no doupt, i am a big fan! he is going to have to spit or bust this year tho. i dont know what the show boater coment stems from?

This is a great forum, Cheers gents.

I wont dig up the interview but I posted it way back in....whenever. Stoner spoke very darkly of the tyres he got from Michelin in 2006, it was a well known practice back then that the showcase riders got the good tyres and the others got tyres of a lesser standard. The change to the Bridgestone control tyre makes it quite difficult to compare the two seasons.

We also have to place the historical context as such, were it not for Stoner in 2007 we would still have two (or more - Dunlop dabbled) tyre manufacturers, In 2007 when Casey won it was Bridgestone First and then the next 4 or 5 bikes were Michelin shod. The field has evened up now in terms of tyre quality.

Also, there was a budget comparison back then and the LCR Honda was the most underfunded and supported Honda out there, it was really a third tier bike.

The only way we can compare them is equal bikes and tyres this season. Simo has always done well and is a great rider, time will tell but the season comparison is fundamentally flawed.

Simo has both talent AND competition.

I would however predict the more likely scenario is that as the Ducati gets up to speed Rossi and other Ducati riders will begin displacing him in the top 5, as will Spies, who in pre season testing showed he was the consistently faster Yamaha factory rider on average using the race tyres in race simulation conditions (runs of multiple laps).

Lorenzo's second place (showed great race craft) and Rossi's 7th place (on the Poocati) were (IMO) far more impressive rides than any of the factory Honda's out there apart from Stoner.

31 days to Jerez, all the Ducati has to do is turn and the Yamaha has to find some extra power and then those other factory Honda's will not be able to line up as easily in the Honda procession that was the first race.

Jumkie, Barry et al will probably slap me for saying so, but I see Rossi and Lorenzo as far greater threats to Stoner than any of the other Honda riders

povol · Mar 28, 2011

Andy Roo said:
I wont dig up the interview but I posted it way back in....whenever. Stoner spoke very darkly of the tyres he got from Michelin in 2006, it was a well known practice back then that the showcase riders got the good tyres and the others got tyres of a lesser standard. The change to the Bridgestone control tyre makes it quite difficult to compare the two seasons.

We also have to place the historical context as such, were it not for Stoner in 2007 we would still have two (or more - Dunlop dabbled) tyre manufacturers, In 2007 when Casey won it was Bridgestone First and then the next 4 or 5 bikes were Michelin shod. The field has evened up now in terms of tyre quality.

Also, there was a budget comparison back then and the LCR Honda was the most underfunded and supported Honda out there, it was really a third tier bike.

The only way we can compare them is equal bikes and tyres this season. Simo has always done well and is a great rider, time will tell but the season comparison is fundamentally flawed.

Simo has both talent AND competition.

I would however predict the more likely scenario is that as the Ducati gets up to speed Rossi and other Ducati riders will begin displacing him in the top 5, as will Spies, who in pre season testing showed he was the consistently faster Yamaha factory rider on average using the race tyres in race simulation conditions (runs of multiple laps).

Lorenzo's second place (showed great race craft) and Rossi's 7th place (on the Poocati) were (IMO) far more impressive rides than any of the factory Honda's out there apart from Stoner.

31 days to Jerez, all the Ducati has to do is turn and the Yamaha has to find some extra power and then those other factory Honda's will not be able to line up as easily in the Honda procession that was the first race.

Jumkie, Barry et al will probably slap me for saying so, but I see Rossi and Lorenzo as far greater threats to Stoner than any of the other Honda riders

So your thinking Rossi at worst, will finish 3rd in the championship?

Keshav · Mar 28, 2011

povol said:
So your thinking Rossi at worst, will finish 3rd in the championship?

Sure would help to keep things interesting were it so. Not holding my breath.

Talpa · Mar 28, 2011

Keshav said:
Not holding my breath.

we wouldn't expect you to

Andy Roo · Mar 28, 2011

povol said:
So your thinking Rossi at worst, will finish 3rd in the championship?

I think underestimating Rossi and Burgess is as much a mistake as underestimating Stoner and Honda.

I still pick them as top 4, once they sort some handling issues they have a very powerful bike (Barbera had the highest recorded speed for the weekend down the main straight).

There is ample opportunity for Rossi to capitalize on the strengths of the Ducati, I just don't think that there are riders apart from Jorge and Casey can really compete with a rampaging Rossi, in effect IF Ducati and Yamaha Pull their fingers out and have a competitive bike there will be three players - if not then it will be a Honda procession.

Now pardon me I just have to go pull the splinters from my arse from sitting on the fence

Talpa · Mar 28, 2011

^^

cangaceiro99 · Mar 30, 2011

crvlvr said:
Thanks Cang for posting. We don't get print coverage like this in the States.

No worries mate. I'll dig up a few more when i can. Something to read between races anyway.

BarryMachine · Mar 30, 2011

Andy Roo said:
Jumkie, Barry et al will probably slap me for saying so, but I see Rossi and Lorenzo as far greater threats to Stoner than any of the other Honda riders

No slappage from me on that one.

I see Lorenzo as the biggest worry ........ not Rossi though

.... I'm pretty adamant that its just plain the wrong bike for him. ........ and nothing has been done yet to fix that. Folk can sook at me all they like on that one but Rossi looks shocking on the Duc.

I did think Pedro was a worry but I think he is really suffering.

esco · Mar 31, 2011

check out this article. Dovi and Cappi giving out stoners secretes lol.. Their gonna have to check some more Stoner videos at the ducati camp. hope fully they'll get it fixed.

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/35-in-evidenza/3287-il-segreto-di-stoner-qlui-non-piegaq.html

BarryMachine · Mar 31, 2011

esco said:
check out this article. Dovi and Cappi giving out stoners secretes lol.. Their gonna have to check some more Stoner videos at the ducati camp. hope fully they'll get it fixed.

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/35-in-evidenza/3287-il-segreto-di-stoner-qlui-non-piegaq.html

Rossi has said something about it too:

Last question.

http://gpone.com/index.php/en/slider/3286-rossi-qspero-vada-meglio-di-losailq.html

I think the kids here:

http://www.kkjmcc.zoomshare.com/

could teach him what Casey is doing.

I note Gardner had his kids go there.

dwoodhouse · Mar 31, 2011

I think it's good that someone who has achieved all that Rossi has is still hungry for more and is not too arrogant to believe he knows it all and there is nothing left to learn, even from his biggest rival.

BarryMachine · Mar 31, 2011

woody996 said:
I think it's good that someone who has achieved all that Rossi has is still hungry for more and is not too arrogant to believe he knows it all and there is nothing left to learn, even from his biggest rival.

I see Spies as like that too.

As I guess a lot of them must be, Dovi, Capi, Nicky they have all at least had the chance to check out Stoners telemetry and try and figure out what he is doing.

Melandri said something on Stoners style too way back when but all I remember is Melandri saying Stoner doesn't use much TC.

I wonder if they can use their telemetry charts like a CV

dwoodhouse · Apr 1, 2011

BarryMachine said:
I see Spies as like that too.

As I guess a lot of them must be, Dovi, Capi, Nicky they have all at least had the chance to check out Stoners telemetry and try and figure out what he is doing.

Melandri said something on Stoners style too way back when but all I remember is Melandri saying Stoner doesn't use much TC.

I wonder if they can use their telemetry charts like a CV

Yes Spies seems to be methodical and patient about his riding and a good student from some of his interviews regarding other riders.

Melandri gave up though as was expressed by Capirossi I think. Doesn't say too much for him. Question is did he give up before or after Ducati sent him to a shrink.

michaelm · Apr 1, 2011

BarryMachine said:
I see Spies as like that too.

As I guess a lot of them must be, Dovi, Capi, Nicky they have all at least had the chance to check out Stoners telemetry and try and figure out what he is doing.

Melandri said something on Stoners style too way back when but all I remember is Melandri saying Stoner doesn't use much TC.

I wonder if they can use their telemetry charts like a CV

Several interpretations apart from stoner's natural talent being duly acknowledged barry.

I have to agree with woody that for a rider of rossi's achievements to say what he said demonstrates both humility and continued willingness to learn/hunger. I can't think offhand of any major sports figure of his stature who would say something like this to a journalist for publication.

I didn't have time to post earlier and the cat may already be out of the bag after his excellent FP1 result, but this sounded like rossi hadn't given up on this year at all and is working methodically through things. My paraphrase of capirossi's comment would have been this bike's got much more power than the suzuki, and valentino might be able to sort it and has a riding style much closer to mine than stoner's was.

You obviously have a different view of sporting karma than I do, and while I am hoping for stoner to succeed quite probably as much as you are, I wish you would stop counting chickens in general, particularly before the results of at least several of the european races.

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