Arrabbiata1
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Don't push your luck buster.
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There's great secrecy about the way moto gp tyres are made by both manufacturers, I am just taking an educated guess that the 'glue' Bridgestone use could have a higher melting point.
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Arrogance :
"Honestly, I was cruising around," Crutchlow said after the press conference." I was playing with them. When I was with that group I was rolling the throttle. I wanted to follow one guy per lap to let the laps go down because it was boring."
This .... admitted he almost crashed several times in the opening laps. In some ways I wish he did ( without getting hurt of course I'm not a monster) so he could shut his mouth. Oh who am I kidding, he's never understood the concept of humble pie, even after crashing he's said 'assine' .....
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
"Honestly, I was cruising around," Crutchlow said after the press conference." I was playing with them. When I was with that group I was rolling the throttle. I wanted to follow one guy per lap to let the laps go down because it was boring."
This .... admitted he almost crashed several times in the opening laps. In some ways I wish he did ( without getting hurt of course I'm not a monster) so he could shut his mouth. Oh who am I kidding, he's never understood the concept of humble pie, even after crashing he's said 'assine' .....
If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
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Well, I am assuming that you actually saw my humor and thus are not taking things quite as seriously as others in this thread. My first post says "Red Coats" and "Colonists", and yet, some are going to great lengths to point out the error of my Yankee humor. "Harrumph. Harrumph. We are grumpy from eating too much haggis." Or not enough. I don't know.I'm so sorry we promote and sponsor our riders, and not to mention BSB, Probably the best feeder series outside WSBK and Motogp that is a successful training platform that is regularly attended by 40-50,000 fans.
Perhaps you should take a bit of your bitterness and aim it at your fellow countrymen and get them to support that tin pot ama or whatever crap series it is over there and maybe, just maybe the U S will have something to shout about,
Now back under your rock. There you go
Please don't delaminate my stars from my stripes, mates. I loved Barry. And James Hunt. They lived my dreams: Screwed-up and still going faster than most. Before Barry, Mike the Bike Hailwood was my main guy. Of course, my all time favorite British Racing Subject just might be Nigel Mansell. I have a "Back to Back", hat signed by him. Anyway, I will keep the humor confined to Spanish and Italians, since they aren't posting much here. No more Crashslut ill-advised shots from me, that is for sure.
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Arrabbiata1
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Yep, couldn't find the sarcasm smiley when using the word 'worn'.
IMO only, but that front on pic of Ianonne's tyre really says it all in terms of the tyre quality (or lack thereof)
That front tyre is scarey and dangerous
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Here is a picture of Rossi's front at the end of the race.
Check Uccio's phone. You'll probably find some rear end shots in there from after the race
No, it does not support your theory that delamination is to be expected.
It supports the comment made by many that the tyre should and would degrade faster
There is a difference.
And that puts you in the Rossi loving cult?
Or is it the Lorenzo hating cult?
Or is it, the 'I am right you are wrong na na na na na cult?
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So now you admit that they were failures and not normal wear.
That is all people are saying ........... failure versus standard degradation.
Not a fan of the single supplier show at all, and certainly not absolving Michelin from anything here but this is their first year back in MotoGP for an umber of years whereas Bridgestone had a number of years to get things right (so to speak).
As such, I do not expect that Michelin have everything 'right' yet as they would not have had access to the Bridgestone corporate secret data used to manufacture their (Bridgestone) tyres and thus have had to start from scratch and learn as they go, and as we know being able to test in wet conditions is nigh on impossible to plan.
The focal point is on the failures, but at the same time if Michelin look, study and learn from this to improve their product than we do not need to accept the failure but we should credit their improvement. Time will tell on that score
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Another illustration of these tires DID NOT overheat and melt. If the theory being pushed around that they were used way outside performance parameters, overheated then came apart, these tires would be shredded. Like this one, Lorenzo's tire looked great except for a huge center section missing. If Michelin's carcass can separate from temps that wont even wear the softest compound wet tire, they have serious trouble.Here is another great shot...notice how fresh Rossi's front looks....
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Not true. It took Lorenzo longer to get his tires up to temp, something he has been saying about the rain tire this year. He cant get it up to temp. Agree/disagree?
Rossi pushed sooner, got the tire up to temp faster, set the fastest lap of the race at one point, and was making up time on the leaders quickly. In other words, he was pushing harder.
Lorenzo's tires took longer to heat up, he was therefore quite a long way behind Rossi. In fact, he was close to being last, something Nick Harris felt the need to tell us all. Finally, his tire did heat up, he was able to push, but not for long, the tire immediately chunked.
So you are saying Rossi was in front of Lorenzo att. But not pushing as hard. How do you build a 4 second lead on someone but at the same time not push as hard.
Oh wait its Rossi, he was walking on water
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Rossi and the Yamaha cant get heat into a tire immediately like Marquez and the Honda, thats what happened to him at Argentina It wasnt a bad tire, it just took him a lap to get the tire up to operating temps and by that time Marquez was gone. Same thing in Germany in the wet. Watch Rossi come out of the pits with Dovi and Crutchlow and get left behind on the out lap.
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AHEM! could you do better?
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You are confused no? Only Cal and Baz chose the hard front.
Yamaha chose the soft front. It was the soft front that failed, not the soft rear.
Its actually quite normal, in non optimal conditions, where its hard to get heat into the tires, to go for a softer front.
Its comparatively easier to get heat in the rear. And yet, none of the soft rear tires failed, or wore out too fast, or chunked in any way. Unusual, don't you think.
The soft bubble gum monsoon rear held together, despite the heat and stress of 1000cc acceleration forces, on a non suitable drying track. Only the soft front failed. Miserably.
Look .... happens, I can get over it. But everyone is saying this years championship is unusual by motogp standards, far more unpredictable. The crap Michelin front, both in the dry and now wet, has a lot to do with that. Whatever Gaubert says regarding the window of operation of the soft wets, its hardly a great advertisement for Michelin tires. The general consensus for many years is that Michelin only work in too narrow performance window.
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Hahaha redcoats. FFS we have history far further back than that! What were you doing in o1? We were fighting Romans!
Like I said take it up with your countrymen, this deflection bull aint working,
Crying in your milk cause you ain't got no-one racing!
FFS grow up. as Arrabb has said before me. we have waited long enough. Nearly as long as you have been a nation.
