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Not at all. And you still don't understand what Krops is saying. It's obvious you don't understand the distinction. And it's quite funny.
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The guy is extraordinary, obviously.
My comment was in the context of different bikes putting different stress on tyres as both you and RCV are averring, and was that you guys would need to account for MM being able to load a front both more and less than other riders on other bikes while on the same Honda bike himself, a bike with which Honda are reputedly having difficulties involving the new ECU in the first place. Maybe he can, who knows?
Now some examples of Bridgestone wets doing the same thing or catastrophically failing as did these tyres, please.
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Vudu, the problem with saying Rossi got a bad tire at Argentina is because of the bike switch. Yes the setup in theory was identical, but when dealing with two different chassis, that is a huge factor as no two chassis are perfectly identical.
But the other issue is that you don't allow the inverse where in the first stint, MM could have had the same issue, but instead you are certain the gap being closed was due to VR having everything right.
Kropo touched on this back then...
Frankly Rossi never had any idea about what went wrong in Argentina, he just threw the tire .... out there as an excuse. It was more likely the chassis switch that changed everything for him as it did for Marquez.
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Marc was riding in 5th while saving his tires. When the Dovi dropped out and Iannone shredded his front, Marc took the last podium spot. Marc's situational awareness was on another level compared to Iannone and Dovi. The Ducs both charged to the front and were pushing as if it was a sprint race. Marc realized very early that he needed to focus on saving his tire.
I did give examples of Bridgestone wets catastrophically failing. There difference is the Bridgestones used at Misano last year were the hard option. So although Lorenzo and Rossi got severe chunking out of them, they weren't the super soft & sticky option that were in use during yesterday's race.
I know that, my post was for the sake of RCV's argument. The whole problem with this thread is that MV cannot admit the possibility of fault with Michelin tyres having taken such a vehement and long term stance against the possibility of riders having tyre advantages.
Nope wrong again my issue is with Michelin. RD make a decision based on expert opinion in this case Michelin.
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Well aware that they is minute differences between two bikes with the same setup, but that doesn't result in a rider falling off his previous pace by over a second. A bad tire can easily cost a rider over a second.
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Misano 2015 is also a bad example because the wear on the tires was vastly different from what happened yesterday in the Brno. Also the biggest difference at Misano is the track had a legitimate dry line show up around the circuit. In addition, Lorenzo and Rossi both stayed out longer than they should have on the wets as neither man wanted to be the first to pit, which is how Marquez wound up winning that race since he came in earlier than they did.
Nope ianone said he wasn't pushing its on MotoGP website
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Richy, the only person that's wrong is you. You're ignoring the fact the teams knew the softs wouldn't be good for full race distance without more water on the track. Michelin didn't tell them the tires softs would last full race distance. Yamaha was planning on not stopping for a white flag so they chose the tire that Michelin brought that WOULD last full race distance. There wasn't any confusion on the soft tire's lack of durability. Teams simply gambled that the race would be flag-to-flag like Germany and they got it wrong.
Michelin brought the PERFECT tire for yesterday's race. Only Yamaha and Cal chose to use it.
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The tires wore very badly at Misano 2015, but they were hard option so I wouldn't expect them to fail as rapidly or as severe as the soft option. I'm not aware of a race with soft-wet Bridgestones on a drying or dry track that wasn't flag-to-flag.
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Differences in the chassis however minute they may seem, can have a huge impact.
Also, your previous pace claim is .........
Rossi did the following laps before his pit lap:
Lap 5: 1'41.298
Lap 6: 1'40.985
Lap 7: 1'40.779
Lap 8: 1:40.635
Lap 9: 1:41.582
He came in on lap 10.
Lap 10: 1'47.401 (P)
Lap 11: 2'05.750 (out lap)
Lap 12: 1'41.209
Lap 13: 1'41.431
Lap 14: 1'41.531
Lap 15: 1'41.796
Lap 16: 1'40.715
Lap 17: 1'40.887
Lap 18: 1'41.205
Lap 19: 1'42.432
Lap 20: 1'42.329
Rossi had only 3 sub-1:41 laps before he pitted, and his final race lap on the first bike was a 1:41. He continued the same pace he had on lap 9, from lap 12 thru 15 (5 laps) before hitting consecutive 40's, and then dropping out of the 40's.
He actually gained 3 tenths on his first flying lap on the 2nd bike when compared to his final flyer on the 1st bike. So nope, your claim is not remotely accurate.
Not so, as JPS has detailed. That was standard operating procedure for a flag to flag race, Rossi and Lorenzo were acknowledged to have been preoccupied with each other and stayed out too long when slicks were already the better option, which provably was not the case at the time of Dovi's and Jorge's problems, and whatever the appearance of the tyres (not central delamination methinks) the performance did not drop catastrophically in a lap compared with previous performance as I recall, while being poor in comparison with those on slicks. Lorenzo was still in a position to make the podium, he just pushed too hard on his outlap on slicks. Both Rossi's and Lorrnzo's tyres degraded similarly at Misano as well.
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Where are laps 2-4? Rossi clearly lost confidence and slowed down on his 2nd bike.
I was right about the tires yesterday, so now you're looking to nitpick everything hoping to find something I'm now wrong about? Let me save you some time & trouble.
8 - 2 = 294
There ya go! Have at it.
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Haha whatever. I'm not the one who after every race disagrees with everyone else.
Your a fool.
What exactly is your point then, and why are Lorenzo, Forcada, Dovi et al wrong when you don't have any precedent yourself?
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Although I'm sure I'm not the only one of this forum that has unpopular opinions, I'm currently the only one that still post such opinions and stand by them over and over and over again. The rest of you band together like a Rossi-hating cult.
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Point is the soft wets were the wrong tire to go full race distance in yesterday's race. There were 3 failures, but that's not Michelin's fault! Michelin brought the proper tire for the race, not their problem more riders didn't choose it.
Lorenzo had the same tires as Rossi, but his race was different. Lorenzo pushed harder as there was even less water on the track which would explain his front overheating enough to cause such a failure.
So Rossi is to be believed but not Lorenzo or Forcada? And you yourself have done nothing for months except nitpick about details when you can't refute the main argument.
As I recall you made another prediction, that Marquez had been lucky while riding past the edge and was bound to crash out soon and allow Rossi to make up a better than two race with full points difference. How did that one work out for you at Brno?
Haha, we just see things without hello smoke
