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Bombshell!! Casey Stoner signs with Honda!

I consider Nicky Hayden a "Legend".
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He is a legend to his fans, as is stoner, rossi ,lorenzo, capi, ect ect, and at the end of the day thats all that ....... counts. And its fun for us to mock each other on it
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Where all ....... fanboys/and girls really, thats why were here
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and the sport needs peeps like us
 
He is a legend to his fans, as is stoner, rossi ,lorenzo, capi, ect ect, and at the end of the day thats all that ....... counts. And its fun for us to mock each other on it
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Where all ....... fanboys/and girls really, thats why were here
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and the sport needs peeps like us



ill smoke to that
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back on topic.. itll be good to see Stoner loose on a Honda
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.. the change to 1000s will be good for him though
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As I've posted earlier, I too remember something along those lines. What I do not remember is any claims by Stoner about Honda sending in people to temper with the bike or tires. As far as that statement is concerned, I belief the burden of prove is on the poster that voiced it that this is in fact true. Of course I understand that he may not be willing to go through the trouble of actually backing this up with something more tangible than he has done so far. That, however, means that to me the statement is nothing more than slander.



Anyway, just so we're clear, is Rog Chopperman? I'm new to posting here, so I don't know.



Perhaps a bit redundant, but I want to make clear that I wasn't trying to personally attack anyone, I was just curious about the value of a statement that I've seen in various forms made by different people at different times, but that to date has seemed like more of a product of imagination than fact to me.



cheers



http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/speedtvcom_interview_casey_stoner//P2/



[quote name="Stoner"]There were too many times that the bike would change from one session to the next or from qualifying to the race and it was nothing that the team was doing. Other people were playing games. I am not going to say who but it has been obvious over the years how certain companies have played with their riders. 'We want you to win, yep, but we don�t want you to win,' and it is obvious that that has happened.[/quote]



It's "widely known" because Stoner very clearly came out and said it in an interview with a prominent journalist. People make the statement...because Stoner did (and it's a rather memorable claim).
 
I am not sure it applies Matt; I think the discussion was 2006 Honda being changed without telling Stoner, your link talks about an interview from July 2007, obviously on a Duc! And the heading mentions ‘Championship Leader’ Stoner… When did Stoner lead on the Honda in 2006?

I'm guessing you didn't read the interview.
 
I am not sure it applies Matt; I think the discussion was 2006 Honda being changed without telling Stoner, your link talks about an interview from July 2007, obviously on a Duc! And the heading mentions ‘Championship Leader’ Stoner… When did Stoner lead on the Honda in 2006?



Sure it applies Brother... it's just that the incident he's referring to was spoken of in an interview

which took place after Stoner had gone to Ducati. Re-read it.



SpeedTV: What is the most annoying question you keep getting asked?



C.S: Why did you crash so much last year? I know the reason and I think for a lot of people it should be obvious what the reason is. The way we have been able to step it up this year without the crashes. There were too many times that the bike would change from one session to the next or from qualifying to the race and it was nothing that the team was doing. Other people were playing games. I am not going to say who but it has been obvious over the years how certain companies have played with their riders. 'We want you to win, yep, but we don't want you to win,' and it is obvious that that has happened. It wasn't obvious to me last year. Every time I crashed I was in the gravel trap scratching my head and saying 'what the heck is happening here, I'm losing the front for no reason'. I get off the brakes, just touch the gas, I was already picking the bike up. It all started with the crash in Barcelona, I went in there the same as I had in practice and it was gone. Mugello, that was a bit more my fault, but the other crashes, starting with Barcelona -- I did not know what to do, I did not know why I was crashing and why it was my fault.
 
Sure it applies Brother... it's just that the incident he's referring to was spoken of in an interview

which took place after Stoner had gone to Ducati. Re-read it.



SpeedTV: What is the most annoying question you keep getting asked?



C.S: Why did you crash so much last year? I know the reason and I think for a lot of people it should be obvious what the reason is. The way we have been able to step it up this year without the crashes. There were too many times that the bike would change from one session to the next or from qualifying to the race and it was nothing that the team was doing. Other people were playing games. I am not going to say who but it has been obvious over the years how certain companies have played with their riders. 'We want you to win, yep, but we don't want you to win,' and it is obvious that that has happened. It wasn't obvious to me last year. Every time I crashed I was in the gravel trap scratching my head and saying 'what the heck is happening here, I'm losing the front for no reason'. I get off the brakes, just touch the gas, I was already picking the bike up. It all started with the crash in Barcelona, I went in there the same as I had in practice and it was gone. Mugello, that was a bit more my fault, but the other crashes, starting with Barcelona -- I did not know what to do, I did not know why I was crashing and why it was my fault.

This is the quote I remember which was discussed on the forum in 2007, with roger and I among the particpants. As I said earlier in the thread this could have been interpreted as critical of honda but he has been fairly careful to mention only michelin and not honda since then. As I also said earlier he made no criticism of lcr, honda or michelin in 2006 whilst contracted to them.



I have to say I still think michelin changing tyres on him seems a little far-fetched, although him not getting saturday night specials is not so. The bridgestone front vs the michelin appears to me to have been the critical issue, as well as him pushing too hard in the second half of 2006 when his non-factory bike had possibly not been updated to the same degree as some others.



I hope bridgestone are not producing only michelin 2006-like fronts this year.



(EDIT) I guess it is possible he was given michelin saturday night specials after being prominent early in the 2006 season and they just weren't suited to him.
 
That is a great article. I think if a few of the Stoner detractors went back and read the whole article they would be hard pushed not to change their opinions of him. He gives a lot of credit and respect to the people who helped him break into the series and I also found his comments about why he wasn't concerned about getting lower class championships very interesting. He obviously knew where he wanted to be and was singularly focused on getting there. He does not come across at all weak minded like some weak minded people like to suggest he is. My level of respect for him just went up a notch.
 
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/speedtvcom_interview_casey_stoner//P2/







It's "widely known" because Stoner very clearly came out and said it in an interview with a prominent journalist. People make the statement...because Stoner did (and it's a rather memorable claim).



Thanks! At least now I know what we're talking about. However, radical as his statements seem, they are also rather vague. To me, it reads like he is implying that it was a case of Micheling playing favorites. Which, granted, is not a very strong defence for his crashing, as he should have tried to adapt to a lesser quality race-day tire (if this would have indeed been the case, which is quite a bold claim). What I just do not see is any claim of Honda having people secretly temper with his bike. Pity he was not more outspoken, it would have prevented the confusion.



Perhaps we can all agree that Stoner has claimed that a certain company (which could only have been either Honda or Michelin) tried to give some people on the grid a better chance of winning than others, and that because of this his race day material differed from his practice material. Personally, I'd say he was hinting at Michelin, but I can see how some might claim it was Honda.



By the way, great interview.



Might I add that I do believe I remember Stoner being critical of Honda in the sense of being disappoint by the quality of his material relative to that of the factory effort.



EDIT Sorry, just read the third page:



Compare Honda electronics with Magneti Marelli.



C.S: I don't know what the real HRC stuff is like. They were always telling me last year that I was on the same stuff as Dani and Nicky but now I see that was a whole load of crap. There is no way that they give the same stuff to the satellite teams that the factory team has and it is the same thing with the other companies providing products. They tell you, 'you are on the same this and that,' but it is just not true and now I can see that from the outside because, like I said, my bike changed from session to session and it wasn't anything to do with anything the team was doing. The team was doing a great job, but it was the companies playing around.



POINT TAKEN. It seems than rather either-or, he was referring to both companies.
 
Thanks! At least now I know what we're talking about. However, radical as his statements seem, they are also rather vague. To me, it reads like he is implying that it was a case of Micheling playing favorites. Which, granted, is not a very strong defence for his crashing, as he should have tried to adapt to a lesser quality race-day tire (if this would have indeed been the case, which is quite a bold claim). What I just do not see is any claim of Honda having people secretly temper with his bike. Pity he was not more outspoken, it would have prevented the confusion.



Perhaps we can all agree that Stoner has claimed that a certain company (which could only have been either Honda or Michelin) tried to give some people on the grid a better chance of winning than others, and that because of this his race day material differed from his practice material. Personally, I'd say he was hinting at Michelin, but I can see how some might claim it was Honda.



By the way, great interview.



Might I add that I do believe I remember Stoner being critical of Honda in the sense of being disappoint by the quality of his material relative to that of the factory effort.



EDIT Sorry, just read the third page:



Compare Honda electronics with Magneti Marelli.



C.S: I don't know what the real HRC stuff is like. They were always telling me last year that I was on the same stuff as Dani and Nicky but now I see that was a whole load of crap. There is no way that they give the same stuff to the satellite teams that the factory team has and it is the same thing with the other companies providing products. They tell you, 'you are on the same this and that,' but it is just not true and now I can see that from the outside because, like I said, my bike changed from session to session and it wasn't anything to do with anything the team was doing. The team was doing a great job, but it was the companies playing around.



POINT TAKEN. It seems than rather either-or, he was referring to both companies.



So have the "companies" been ....... with him throughout 2008, 2009 & the first races of 2010?



So in fact you guys are saying that the Tech 3 guys get the same stuff Rossi does? or the LCR guys get the same stuff as Dani?



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A couple of arguments come to mind:



First Lorenzo's: "I am not getting the same stuff Rossi does", in a #2 but Definitely 'Factory' bike.



Second Stoner's: "There is no way that they give the same stuff to the satellite teams that the factory team has", in a 'Supposed' great Honda.



Brings 'Nastro Azzurro' with Rossi having the 'Same ....' but not 'Quite the Same ....' back to memory!
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Does all this mean Rossi had a 2nd Place Rookie year (2000) and Wan a Championship (2001) in a (Not the same stuff as a Factory) ‘Satellite Team’???



We have no races this weekend, let´s heat it up again shall we? Any takers?



Man, we really need racing!
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Does all this mean Rossi had a 2nd Place Rookie year (2000) and Wan a Championship (2001) in a (Not the same stuff as a Factory) ‘Satellite Team’???



We have no races this weekend, let´s heat it up again shall we? Any takers?



Man, we really need racing!
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Rossi very obviously doesn't need any help.



However comparing the nastro azzurro team to lcr is stretching things a little. As I think son of doohan said some time back, the nastro azzurro bike was a non-factory burgess bike. It would seem unlikely that Burgess and the rest of hrc's top (ex-mick doohan) team resigned from hrc en masse to join an entirely independent satellite team then later all re-joined hrc, richly though rossi may have merited such a gamble had it been necessary.



I think rossi wouldn't mind a nastro azzurro-type arrangement now.
 
Rossi very obviously doesn't need any help.



However comparing the nastro azzurro team to lcr is stretching things a little. As I think son of doohan said some time back, the nastro azzurro bike was a non-factory burgess bike. It would seem unlikely that Burgess and the rest of hrc's top (ex-mick doohan) team resigned from hrc en masse to join an entirely independent satellite team then later all re-joined hrc, richly though rossi may have merited such a gamble had it been necessary.



I think rossi wouldn't mind a nastro azzurro-type arrangement now.



Like you said, Rossi needs no help today. But even at Factory Teams: "There is no way that they give the same stuff". Back in 2000 / 2001 Nastro Azzurro was not Honda's #1 Bike, obviously not being #1 Team. It was not Michelin's #1 focus either, remember they do not supply Rookies the best stuff? As Stoner said.



Rossi did not have the Curriculum he now has ten years later!
 

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