Goatboy
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Dec 12 2007, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well MotoGP is a sport full of passion, so I'll take this as a compliment. Thanks.
I'm not sure what facts you dispute here:
Fact: Rossi was contracted on a two-man team.
Fact: Rossi was contracted to run Michelins.
Fact: Michelins have perennially been the dominant tire.
Fact: Bridgestone has made major development strides.
Fact: Bridgestone announced to the world they would NOT supply more.
Fact: Rossi demands Bridgestones. As a few others do.
Fact: Dorna threatens a spec tire.
Fact: Bridgestone reneges on previous stand, supplies Rossi only.
Fact: The two-man team is dissolved.
Now, as a thinking rationale person, can we deduce a fair assessment of the implications these turn of events indicate about the politics and priorities of the sport, and deduce some truth? This is done all the time in our daily lives. Am I to believe that reliable explanations are lost because sport is passionate? Certainly passion can be a hindrance if one fails not to see what the facts indicated about a particular chain of events. There is a saying here about politicos, “Sometimes they don’t let the facts get in the way of their policy.” Perhaps the policy of supporting Rossi regardless of some shortcomings is not to be challenged by the facts.
Max Biaggi has been a symbol of disgust by many Rossi supporters throughout the years. It is interesting that both have been highly successful, and this success had made them rivals on and off the track. To add to this, the media exacerbated this story line and many of Rossi’s gullible fans followed suit. However, you may have caught an interview in the Italian media where the interviewer asked Rossi if he was now like Biaggi being that he (Rossi) had complained and blamed about his equipment, Yamaha and Michelin tires to explain his poor performance this year. I thought it interesting that this interviewer basically indicated that Rossi was employing the very same tactics that Biaggi haters have accused him of using. Of course Rossi denied it and said it was 'different'. Which he has done on more than one occasion. But it seems only Biaggi will forever be the guy that complained and blamed his equipment regardless of what Rossi is on record of saying about his own package. So who is right? Well I think a little of both. I think they both had credence about the equipment having issues, and both made undo excuses to rationalize their poor results at times. The difference is that Biaggi is vilified for it, and Rossi is praised for it with sentiments of being a victim. Usually this “oh poor Rossi” mentality is promoted by the Rossi cheerleader s unwilling to let the facts get in the way of their fanaticism. It is noteworthy to mention that of the two men, one was banished from the sport for complaining, the other was propelled in favor of the very equipment that both men cited as issues!
Final note: It is always interesting how ‘some’ Rossi fans have no problem holding Biaggi accountable for what he has said and how he had influenced the sport during his time, but the standard does not apply to his nemesis Rossi. The tired old response is usually a variation of: “I’m just Rossi bashing”, “this is Rossi hate”, “I am blinded by ‘passion’. Etc, etc. When in fact its more a stated view, it may not be your view, but if you so choose, I am willing to debate it. It may not be important in the scope of life, but its fun and entertaining.
Excellent. The ante has risen.The fact I was disputing is the hyper paranoid tendency to believe in conspiracy theories based om articles from MCN.
Your tone towards Rossi, whatever the circumstance has never wavered. I have found, I do find you utterly transparent. You protest too much, & you desperately try to bat away any criticism of that, with frankly hollow pleas to be taken seriously despite the language you have used, & your dismissive tone.
& The reason I see them as hollow is because we cannot know if Rossi forced the issue, which I saw as the crux of your diatribe. There are no 100% reliable sources, so you may remain illogical & trust sites, newspapers etc that have misquoted & distorted in the past. Or logically you can admit that we don't really know ..... At this point in time even if moving to Bridgestone was the advantage it appeared to be.
Biaggi's "Elbow" is enough for me not to like him, not to mention his friendliness with Richard Ashcroft.
A damn lot of people say they want to genuinely critique Rossi & his methods/skills, so why do they all resort to the same angles, the same language that is designed to get on other peoples .... more than critique anything?
Yes I know this was months ago, but I'm bored, I can't sleep, I have man flu & a new laptop to play with.
I'm not sure what facts you dispute here:
Fact: Rossi was contracted on a two-man team.
Fact: Rossi was contracted to run Michelins.
Fact: Michelins have perennially been the dominant tire.
Fact: Bridgestone has made major development strides.
Fact: Bridgestone announced to the world they would NOT supply more.
Fact: Rossi demands Bridgestones. As a few others do.
Fact: Dorna threatens a spec tire.
Fact: Bridgestone reneges on previous stand, supplies Rossi only.
Fact: The two-man team is dissolved.
Now, as a thinking rationale person, can we deduce a fair assessment of the implications these turn of events indicate about the politics and priorities of the sport, and deduce some truth? This is done all the time in our daily lives. Am I to believe that reliable explanations are lost because sport is passionate? Certainly passion can be a hindrance if one fails not to see what the facts indicated about a particular chain of events. There is a saying here about politicos, “Sometimes they don’t let the facts get in the way of their policy.” Perhaps the policy of supporting Rossi regardless of some shortcomings is not to be challenged by the facts.
Max Biaggi has been a symbol of disgust by many Rossi supporters throughout the years. It is interesting that both have been highly successful, and this success had made them rivals on and off the track. To add to this, the media exacerbated this story line and many of Rossi’s gullible fans followed suit. However, you may have caught an interview in the Italian media where the interviewer asked Rossi if he was now like Biaggi being that he (Rossi) had complained and blamed about his equipment, Yamaha and Michelin tires to explain his poor performance this year. I thought it interesting that this interviewer basically indicated that Rossi was employing the very same tactics that Biaggi haters have accused him of using. Of course Rossi denied it and said it was 'different'. Which he has done on more than one occasion. But it seems only Biaggi will forever be the guy that complained and blamed his equipment regardless of what Rossi is on record of saying about his own package. So who is right? Well I think a little of both. I think they both had credence about the equipment having issues, and both made undo excuses to rationalize their poor results at times. The difference is that Biaggi is vilified for it, and Rossi is praised for it with sentiments of being a victim. Usually this “oh poor Rossi” mentality is promoted by the Rossi cheerleader s unwilling to let the facts get in the way of their fanaticism. It is noteworthy to mention that of the two men, one was banished from the sport for complaining, the other was propelled in favor of the very equipment that both men cited as issues!
Final note: It is always interesting how ‘some’ Rossi fans have no problem holding Biaggi accountable for what he has said and how he had influenced the sport during his time, but the standard does not apply to his nemesis Rossi. The tired old response is usually a variation of: “I’m just Rossi bashing”, “this is Rossi hate”, “I am blinded by ‘passion’. Etc, etc. When in fact its more a stated view, it may not be your view, but if you so choose, I am willing to debate it. It may not be important in the scope of life, but its fun and entertaining.
Excellent. The ante has risen.The fact I was disputing is the hyper paranoid tendency to believe in conspiracy theories based om articles from MCN.
Your tone towards Rossi, whatever the circumstance has never wavered. I have found, I do find you utterly transparent. You protest too much, & you desperately try to bat away any criticism of that, with frankly hollow pleas to be taken seriously despite the language you have used, & your dismissive tone.
& The reason I see them as hollow is because we cannot know if Rossi forced the issue, which I saw as the crux of your diatribe. There are no 100% reliable sources, so you may remain illogical & trust sites, newspapers etc that have misquoted & distorted in the past. Or logically you can admit that we don't really know ..... At this point in time even if moving to Bridgestone was the advantage it appeared to be.
Biaggi's "Elbow" is enough for me not to like him, not to mention his friendliness with Richard Ashcroft.
A damn lot of people say they want to genuinely critique Rossi & his methods/skills, so why do they all resort to the same angles, the same language that is designed to get on other peoples .... more than critique anything?
Yes I know this was months ago, but I'm bored, I can't sleep, I have man flu & a new laptop to play with.
