ASSEN GP 2011: RACE SPOILERS

hawkdriver · Jun 26, 2011

Tom said:
Bridgestone are harming motogp, i think they need to take a serious look at the sport, themselves and at Formula 1 and realize that everyone can win if they just change their approach. It's getting ridiculous.

I don't think we can blame them for this weekend, it was colder than normal and they offered to bring more tires and that was rejected by one of the factories. I think it would be smart to change the rules and allow for more tires in these conditions without any input from any team or factory. BS knew they needed better tires for the weekend and tried to deliver them(according to motomatters the tires were on a truck just waiting for the go ahead), so at least they had a solution to the problem but it isn't their fault the solution wasn't used. They are bringing what the manufactures want, how can you blame them.

Austin · Jun 26, 2011

Tom said:
Bridgestone are harming motogp, i think they need to take a serious look at the sport, themselves and at Formula 1 and realize that everyone can win if they just change their approach. It's getting ridiculous.

Agree with you and what Talpa said. I believe a safer alternative would be for options that heat up immediately and fade as the race progresses. In addition to some safety improvements (I realize losing grip at the end of the race is also dangerous), tire management would become important again and could create better racing.

Geonerd · Jun 26, 2011

Goatboy said:
Thank god there is only 1 week in-between, Mugello is surely make or break for Simo psychologically?

I'm not convinced Marco has enough functional brain cells to be 'breakable.' He just goes out there and does what he does. People call Pedrosa robotic, but Simo has displayed a certain mindless tenacity that reminds me of another famous robot.

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MdubSTYLIE · Jun 26, 2011

Geonerd said:
I'm not convinced Marco has enough functional brain cells to be 'breakable.' He just goes out there and does what he does. People call Pedrosa robotic, but Simo has displayed a certain mindless tenacity that reminds me of another famous robot.

To paraphrase....

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"[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Listen, and understand. Simincelli is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever..."[/font]

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I cant decide if I like the Simonator or Termacelli.

frizzle · Jun 26, 2011

Geonerd said:
I'm not convinced Marco has enough functional brain cells to be 'breakable.' He just goes out there and does what he does. People call Pedrosa robotic, but Simo has displayed a certain mindless tenacity that reminds me of another famous robot.

To paraphrase....

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"[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Listen, and understand. Simincelli is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever..."[/font]

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Haha Brilliant

Tom · Jun 26, 2011

chopperman said:
You take away competition, you take away the need for major investment. I was against a single tyre rule for this very reason. .... we don't even have intermediates, WTF is that all about

I am similarly against single tyres for the same reason, but if they are well managed it doesn't have to be so bad. WSBK (besides the quality issues) and F1 are both using control tyres to the advantage of the series.

hawkdriver said:
I don't think we can blame them for this weekend, it was colder than normal and they offered to bring more tires and that was rejected by one of the factories. I think it would be smart to change the rules and allow for more tires in these conditions without any input from any team or factory. BS knew they needed better tires for the weekend and tried to deliver them(according to motomatters the tires were on a truck just waiting for the go ahead), so at least they had a solution to the problem but it isn't their fault the solution wasn't used. They are bringing what the manufactures want, how can you blame them.

That isn't 'the manufacturers' getting what they want, it is a poorly written rule allowing as little as one team to gain a tactical advantage. It was always going to go like that. On a weekend like we've just had any kind of voting system should be over ruled for safetey reasons, or the rule just plain changed. I know there isn't a problem if the riders just ride carefully and don't crash etc but the situation is far from ideal

320IDave · Jun 26, 2011

baturro said:
Sic isn't doing himself any favors taking our Spanish title contenders. Especially as he has 2 more races on the peninsula. Today was a racing incident. On TVE they compared his repetitive "incidents" to a football player accumulating fouls in a game. You end up with a yellow card. (harsh warning, nothing to do with Rossi club card.

) This would be his second, after the LeMans mistake calling for a red card and 1 game expulsion to reflect. Noyes is one of the commentators we have, so it is not 100% biased to Spanish riders!

Noyes only wants to talk about Kevin Schwantz and root for Ben Spies (or another american if he's doing well). Crivi is in love with Stoner but he has to hide it so there isn't a TVE Riot against him, He also likes Pedro and secretly dislikes Rossi.

Angel nieto is also a commentator here, he's just plain horrible. He loves Rossi and noone else, not even the spaniards when compared to Valentino. He also hates Stoner to death because he is bitter Stoner has more talent than him and Rossi together.

Ernest = Lorenzator. Marc martín =

, he thinks he's really smart but he's completely useless. (and he's actually the boss)

Next year we will have it all completely changed i think. MotoGP is changing channel.

On topic, Awesome points for Stoner. And a hell of a .... start but things tuned out well enough.

Shame for Lorenzo, Simoncelli is just plain nutty. He doesn't give a .... about anything once he's in a race.

GP11.1. doing great

I have to give some credit to Rossi for.....nah i can't. I feel like he deserves some but then i remember what is being done for him to be in front, the feeling just fades away.

Aoyama shows how riding a Repsol Honda doesn't magically put you in front i expected more from him.

BarryMachine · Jun 26, 2011

320IDave said:
Noyes only wants to talk about Kevin Schwantz and root for Ben Spies (or another american if he's doing well). Crivi is in love with Stoner but he has to hide it so there isn't a TVE Riot against him, He also likes Pedro and secretly dislikes Rossi.

Angel nieto is also a commentator here, he's just plain horrible. He loves Rossi and noone else, not even the spaniards when compared to Valentino. He also hates Stoner to death because he is bitter Stoner has more talent than him and Rossi together.

Ernest = Lorenzator. Marc martín =

, he thinks he's really smart but he's completely useless. (and he's actually the boss)

Next year we will have it all completely changed i think. MotoGP is changing channel.

On topic, Awesome points for Stoner. And a hell of a .... start but things tuned out well enough.

Shame for Lorenzo, Simoncelli is just plain nutty. He doesn't give a .... about anything once he's in a race.

GP11.1. doing great

I have to give some credit to Rossi for.....nah i can't. I feel like he deserves some but then i remember what is being done for him to be in front, the feeling just fades away.

Aoyama shows how riding a Repsol Honda doesn't magically put you in front i expected more from him.

I like Criville, always have always will. Even when Doohan was winning Criville was a major part of the action and he is in part some of the reason Doohan was so good.

Keshav · Jun 26, 2011

Geonerd said:
"[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Listen, and understand. Simincelli is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever..."[/font]

Geonerd · Jun 26, 2011

MdubSTYLIE said:
I cant decide if I like the Simonator or Termacelli.

Superb!

Damn, I don't know which I like better!

'Termacelli' sounds a little too much like a type of pasta, but does reflect the creature's Italian origin.

Goatboy · Jun 26, 2011

bill88 · Jun 26, 2011

i dont get why everyone's attacking marco

with dani, ok, i can understand, he could have waited a little more maybe

but it was very clear with jorge ..

stoner crashed on cold tyres in the warm up

rossi last year .. everyone does mistakes

simo needs some more time

and lorenzo has to remind himself his 2008 season

he could easily take people out so many times he crashed, its just bad luck with marco

hadnt ever meant to take someone out

bridgestone has to bring softer before we have more injuries

Talpa · Jun 26, 2011

Austin said:
Agree with you and what Talpa said. I believe a safer alternative would be for options that heat up immediately and fade as the race progresses. In addition to some safety improvements (I realize losing grip at the end of the race is also dangerous), tire management would become important again and could create better racing.

Yes indeedi........and at least losing grip at the rear due to wear is more usually progressive than cold tyre let go's.

Boys........I think you could call him the Sicborg.........

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michaelm · Jun 26, 2011

bill88 said:
i dont get why everyone's attacking marco

with dani, ok, i can understand, he could have waited a little more maybe

but it was very clear with jorge ..

stoner crashed on cold tyres in the warm up

rossi last year .. everyone does mistakes

simo needs some more time

and lorenzo has to remind himself his 2008 season

he could easily take people out so many times he crashed, its just bad luck with marco

hadnt ever meant to take someone out

bridgestone has to bring softer before we have more injuries

As discussed earlier in the thread, in isolation all of the simoncelli incidents are racing incidents, including the pedrosa one imo. But 4 or 5 out of 7 races is just too many, and seriously calls into question his judgement; there was no need to make this move when he did except maybe to stop spies getting away, but he should be concentrating on finishing on the podium first since he has not as yet done this, and re-passing jorge even on the 2nd lap with the tyres a little warmer would not have put him out of contention for the win anyway. Similarly with the dani incident, he was never going to catch stoner and could easily have re-taken 2nd from dani in the remaining laps, he easily had the pace on him.

povol · Jun 26, 2011

For all the people complaining about the tires, how many of you were adamant that a single tire supplier was the way to go. I remember a few right off hand who were tickled to death to hear about it, said the racing would be SOOOO much better. What say ye now.

MdubSTYLIE · Jun 26, 2011

Talpa said:
Yes indeedi........and at least losing grip at the rear due to wear is more usually progressive than cold tyre let go's.

Boys........I think you could call him the Sicborg.........

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Bahahahahahaha!

hawkdriver · Jun 26, 2011

Tom said:
I am similarly against single tyres for the same reason, but if they are well managed it doesn't have to be so bad. WSBK (besides the quality issues) and F1 are both using control tyres to the advantage of the series.

That isn't 'the manufacturers' getting what they want, it is a poorly written rule allowing as little as one team to gain a tactical advantage. It was always going to go like that. On a weekend like we've just had any kind of voting system should be over ruled for safety reasons, or the rule just plain changed. I know there isn't a problem if the riders just ride carefully and don't crash etc but the situation is far from ideal

Yes it is the manufacturers getting what they want, Motogp is controlled by the manufacturers, they make the rules and no one else. That should have been plainly clear after this year with the extra testing. Every rule is because of them and BS is giving them what they want, the riders might be complaining but they don't make the rules or have any control of the sport(just look at the safety issues). Every rider has to deal with the exact same issues so it is fair at least, I don't think I've heard a single rider complain that the tires have taken away the actual racing, it's the electronics that make managing tires and fuel easier that is ruining the sport. You aren't going to ruin a tire when you have a computer controlling how much force you can apply to it. Besides that you don't even know how much the electronics can adjust to in relation to what the tire can give at a given point in it's life, but a tire that stays the same is probably much easier on the engineers who are setting up the electronics, again the manufacturers getting what they want.

WSBK is having plenty of DNFs this season and their top riders are also having offs, not to mention we also see run away victories in both sports. F1 is using a lot more than tires to bring passing back to the racing, not to mention the strategy involved when you have to make pit stops, I agree the tires are part of that equation but we are still seeing the technology win out.

ScottP · Jun 27, 2011

#22 said:
Scotty please don't throw personal insults. Tom is entitled to his opinion just as you are, and neither of your posts are facts, Tom has posted his opinion and so have you. No need to swear.

NO NO NO..#22 I’m a very fair guy...I’m not or do NOT EVER wantto be contrary to Tom cats opinion and I did emphasise this to Tom cat (well I try too???P)...because Mr Tommy was very unpolitic to some of my pots so I’m looking at himand analysing him on his merits??? Which I must add are very well unfounded butI won’t go into that...You see I’m very diplomatic and I DO NOT WANT ANY +++ OR---'SS take care I LOVE YOU ALL!!

alex29 · Jun 27, 2011

Talpa said:
Yes indeedi........and at least losing grip at the rear due to wear is more usually progressive than cold tyre let go's.

Boys........I think you could call him the Sicborg.........

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Deadset pisser talpa, nice one mate. . . . .

frizzle · Jun 27, 2011

povol said:
For all the people complaining about the tires, how many of you were adamant that a single tire supplier was the way to go. I remember a few right off hand who were tickled to death to hear about it, said the racing would be SOOOO much better. What say ye now.

Many here thought it was the answer to everything.

The problem is sometimes a sole tyre supplier has no reason to develop tyres, when there is no competition.

Too many cold tyre crashes this year though. They certainly need to address that.

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