ASSEN GP 2011: RACE *SPOILERS*

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Gp is suffering at the moment with such a thin grid, and its worse than ever because its been so thin at the front in the last few races. With Rossi struggling, Dani injured and Simocelli not managing to finish any races we have 3 of the top 5 riders out of the running almost instantly, thats before Marco takes someone down with him!! Things are looking up though, Dani will be back next week, i think we can expect a bit more progress from Rossi and his new Ducati, and Marco cannot go on like this. Plus we can all hope Ben gets on a roll now and raises himself to top level status.







Well it goes without saying that wins by popular riders are more popular regardless of the way they are won. But more than anything i think most fans of the sport are unanimous in being pleased to see such a superb ride from Ben to take his first win. First wins are always more exciting, and we may be in the process of welcoming another rider to the top ranks of motogp. If he's doing this regularly i'm sure the initial excitement will wear off for all but his biggest fans, but that is to be expected.



1st of all motogp is suffering nothing and what thin grid??? Simo and Lorenzo or any incident just happens...That is racing...Tom cat ure a funken .........And your comments reflect that!!! So what if 3 out 5 top riders are out??? Stop making excuses and lets just watch and see how Spies goes from now on??? I don’t think hes going to do much this was just a fluky weekend..but all credit to him



 
Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely pleased with Spies win. I'm a half Yank and was at attention when the Star Spangled Banner was playing! Maybe the only one in my city! My point is that run away races demonstrate the superior form "X" rider has on a given weekend. Every entry and exit executed to perfection and not giving anyone behind a chance to even feel the heat or noise from the front running bikes exhaust. It's a different type of beautiful race, regardless of who is in front. I never find these type races a snooze fest, more of a clinical demonstration of racing perfection.



Just find it a bit hypocritical when very similar type races are judged differently when the only difference is the name of the winner.



A huge
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for Spies! You can run that race anytime! I won't fall asleep!
 
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!!!The stars at night are big and bright



Deep in the heart of Texas



The prairie sky is wide and high



Deep in the heart of Texas



The sage in bloom is like perfume



Deep in the heart of Texas



Reminds me of the one that I love



Deep in the heart of Texas



The coyotes wail along the trail



Deep in the heart of Texas



The rabbits rush around the brush



Deep in the heart of Texas



The cowboys cry, "Ki yippee yi!"



Deep in the heart of Texas



The dogies bawl and bawl and bawl



Deep in the heart of Texas !!!








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SPIES .......!!!
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I reckon this is more appropriate......



'Give me a T for Texas, give me a T for Tennessee'



[media]http://youtu.be/yn9ktTwoZtQ[/media]
 
1st of all motogp is suffering nothing and what thin grid??? Simo and Lorenzo or any incident just happens...That is racing...Tom cat ure a funken .........And your comments reflect that!!! So what if 3 out 5 top riders are out??? Stop making excuses and lets just watch and see how Spies goes from now on??? I don’t think hes going to do much this was just a fluky weekend..but all credit to him



Scotty please don't throw personal insults. Tom is entitled to his opinion just as you are, and neither of your posts are facts, Tom has posted his opinion and so have you. No need to swear.
 
Scotty please don't throw personal insults. Tom is entitled to his opinion just as you are, and neither of your posts are facts, Tom has posted his opinion and so have you. No need to swear.



Especially when you can't even spell that right.
 
I reckon this is more appropriate......



'Give me a T for Texas, give me a T for Tennessee'



[media]http://youtu.be/yn9ktTwoZtQ[/media]



I think spies would prefer this;

[media]http://youtu.be/_n9prNixjbg[/media]



you cant go anywhere in tennesse without hearing this monstrosity.
 
1st of all motogp is suffering nothing and what thin grid??? Simo and Lorenzo or any incident just happens...That is racing...Tom cat ure a funken .........And your comments reflect that!!! So what if 3 out 5 top riders are out??? Stop making excuses and lets just watch and see how Spies goes from now on??? I don’t think hes going to do much this was just a fluky weekend..but all credit to him



I'm sorry but you your objection to my opinion makes little or no sense. I haven't made an excuse for anything, what do you mean by this? I also don't understand the need to be throwing insults at me, as i can't see how anything i wrote is disrespectful or negative to anyone let alone yourself. Please try to explain what exactly you have such an issue with.



I gather that you don't feel motogp has any problem at the moment. That is that you don't feel the spectacle is reduced at all by the race having just 14 people in it, or that 4 of the best 6 riders in the world did not feature at the front. I understand that incidents happen in racing, or that circumstances prevail to put certain people in less than ideal positions, but i think this race and the last would have likely been much more entertaining had they featured a competitive Valentino Rossi, Lorenzo and Simoncelli not crashing and an uninjured Dani Pedrosa. You may feel that none of those things would add any value to your viewing, that is ok.
 
Spies, what a guy, totally destroyed it yesterday. Rest of the race was a bit processional though. Simo....................... I love this guy but am seriously beginning to worry aboot him, it's time for the rookie mistakes tae stop, he's a fast guy on probably the best bike, and his achievements so far are to try an tak the Scud nickname fae Elias. Personally, I think he should be Patriot, his accuracy at taking oot rivals is stunning, he must hae stoner on his radar soon, cannae wait for the greetin match after that one!



Rossi....well the jury is still oot on the gp11.1, but he looks like he gives a .... again which is nice.



Pete



I forgot about the Scud Muffin.
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Been a long time since he's bashed fairings with someone at the front. Simo has definitely taken over Elias' position as the next great ICBM. Patriot isn't bad, but I like sticking with communist weapons. How bout Dong Feng?
 
I think spies would prefer this;

[media]http://youtu.be/_n9prNixjbg[/media]



you cant go anywhere in tennesse without hearing this monstrosity.



Soo... I take it you don't care for the whole "High Lonesome" sound?
 
You would be flattered were you to be compared Zippy the chimp, who both has a better chance of

being elected and evinces superior skills than yourself as regards spelling and grammar.



Went someone resorts to spelling and grammar corresction on a forum debate, it tells all about who won the debate.

Especially since English is the 3rd language I speak (by ranking of quality).
 
Spies looked like he had it all weekend. I thought the analysis showed Sic probably had a stronger race pace, but once he was out, it was hard to imagine anyone catching Spies. Although I had to say the times Lorenzo was putting in post-crash were very, very impressive. He could've given Spies a run for his money if it wasn't for Sic.



Ah, Sic. I'd hate to write off such a bright talent, but you have to start wondering if he's going to learn. I don't think Honda will give up on him yet (as has been pointed out, it would appear that contractually they have no choice), but they may extend for one further season in the same capacity as this year. After all, who is an upgrade from Sic that they could fill his seat with? Bradl? I believe Crutchlow is already signed up with Yamaha for next season. My gut says they give him one more season to figure it out.



All that said, what a bonehead ....... move. As has been mentioned before, getting heat into the tires has been a problem all season and was exacerbated in Assen, first time on the left side of the tire, with 28 (?) laps to go, and knowing you have the same (if not better) pace as the leader, who only has a gap of about a half second. Yet knowing all that (or probably not, his track record indicates he doesn't think while on the bike), he still goes for it. Stupid, stupid ....... move. His worst of the season, and that's saying something.



As Tom has mentioned, that's a very positive start for Rossi and the GP12. From absolute zero they're only 30 seconds off. Compare that to the GP11 which was 30 second off on a good day, and was believed to be at the end of its development.



Cause he's slower than Lorenzo....cause he's a well paid test rider for the Ducati B-teams (not for Rossi).....cause he rides for a pay check and not the win or the title...and Cause Lorenzo is a Champion that earned his title unlike
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Always a pleasure, Migs...



Even the usually PC Eurosport guys were making cracks about Sic being "Not the sharpest tool in the shed."

It wasn't even those two cracking jokes, they were relaying what everyone in the paddock says about Sic. Most everyone in the circus seems to be in agreement that he's pretty thick and I think that says much more than a Toby and Jules joke.



1st of all motogp is suffering nothing and what thin grid??? Simo and Lorenzo or any incident just happens...That is racing...Tom cat ure a funken .........And your comments reflect that!!! So what if 3 out 5 top riders are out??? Stop making excuses and lets just watch and see how Spies goes from now on??? I don’t think hes going to do much this was just a fluky weekend..but all credit to him

Aussie weed must be spectacular.
 
Looking forward, it will be interesting to see whether or not Ben can keep the momentum. Mugello and Sachsenring are a bit like Estoril for Spies since he finished 7th and 8th in Italy and Germany last season. Not quite as bad as Portugal, but bogey tracks none the less, and two more tracks that Ben didn't see during WSBK. He's got to keep the momentum going to Laguna for his own good and for the good of the US round. I suspect is 2nd place finish at Indy will probably be sufficient to turn out the fans at Indy.
 
Looking forward, it will be interesting to see whether or not Ben can keep the momentum. Mugello and Sachsenring are a bit like Estoril for Spies since he finished 7th and 8th in Italy and Germany last season. Not quite as bad as Portugal, but bogey tracks none the less, and two more tracks that Ben didn't see during WSBK. He's got to keep the momentum going to Laguna for his own good and for the good of the US round. I suspect is 2nd place finish at Indy will probably be sufficient to turn out the fans at Indy.



If he's going to be a serious front runner in motogp he has to get over the whole 'bogey track' thing.
 
Spies looked like he had it all weekend. I thought the analysis showed Sic probably had a stronger race pace, but once he was out, it was hard to imagine anyone catching Spies. Although I had to say the times Lorenzo was putting in post-crash were very, very impressive. He could've given Spies a run for his money if it wasn't for Sic.



Ah, Sic. I'd hate to write off such a bright talent, but you have to start wondering if he's going to learn. I don't think Honda will give up on him yet (as has been pointed out, it would appear that contractually they have no choice), but they may extend for one further season in the same capacity as this year. After all, who is an upgrade from Sic that they could fill his seat with? Bradl? I believe Crutchlow is already signed up with Yamaha for next season. My gut says they give him one more season to figure it out.



All that said, what a bonehead ....... move. As has been mentioned before, getting heat into the tires has been a problem all season and was exacerbated in Assen, first time on the left side of the tire, with 28 (?) laps to go, and knowing you have the same (if not better) pace as the leader, who only has a gap of about a half second. Yet knowing all that (or probably not, his track record indicates he doesn't think while on the bike), he still goes for it. Stupid, stupid ....... move. His worst of the season, and that's saying something.



As Tom has mentioned, that's a very positive start for Rossi and the GP12. From absolute zero they're only 30 seconds off. Compare that to the GP11 which was 30 second off on a good day, and was believed to be at the end of its development.





Always a pleasure, Migs...





It wasn't even those two cracking jokes, they were relaying what everyone in the paddock says about Sic. Most everyone in the circus seems to be in agreement that he's pretty thick and I think that says much more than a Toby and Jules joke.





Aussie weed must be spectacular.



Its not that good.......! More chemical enhancement here, or maybe none necessary
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Just reviewing the times from last year and temperatures, massive differences which are obviously highlighting everyone's woes with heat and Bridgestone.



Assen 2010 - Track temp 48 degrees C

Assen 2011 - Track temp 16 degrees C



Ben wouldn't have made the top five last year with his race time last weekend, which was 26 seconds down on Jorge's 2010 time. With such a variation in temperature its not hard to understand Ducati's woes and their overall result being so close to one of the factory Honda's is more than likely quite encouraging.



Again this seems to highlight a serious lack of variation in tyre choice, in the past, there always was a solution in the range (or shipped in overnight
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Thankfully Cal has spoken up, and now Jorge, obviously the riders are getting sick of playing the political game with Bridgestone, and Cals comparison to the WSBK Pirellis was rather negative for BS........saying that a 'the Pirelli's heat up straight away and don't last as long, making them much easy to set up' which is essentially the philosophy that needs to be implemented in Motogp once again, as Michelin also use to provide these attributes.



When considered, the current philosophy from Bridgestone is actually more than a little arse about, providing a Hard and Soft option, which are fairly similar in as much as they are notoriously difficult to heat and don't lose grip all race, if the team can actually get enough heat in them to find that grip that is........ What is the point of having compounds for all teams/bikes which last all race, therefore are difficult to heat to their sweet spot? What is becoming more glaringly apparent is that this rubber is providing little confidence for the majority and actually increasing the risk of crashes and serious injury. You have to wonder if they have a plan for more seriously difficult cooler conditions for the remaining races?



Maybe its a lack of History at the sharp end from Bridgestone? Not encountering enough variable conditions when their development/performance started to eclipse Michelin, a battle which actually was very short lived, 1.5-2 seasons. For as we know prior to 2007, Bridgestone was considered a serious liability as a tyre supplier, with extreme dynamics in performance, especially in 06 when Loris was either 10 seconds ahead or 30 seconds behind, and mainly poor/inconsistent results prior to this.



Extreme dynamics in performance.........nothing new from Bridgestone this season either, except they seem to be getting worse and costing the teams .... loads of cash trying to build bikes around their rubber, Not too mention costing the riders injury and poor results/no confidence-some of which we know are far better (Elias), and the sport is being robbed of any kind of racing spectacle.



From what I've read Bridgestone didn't want to be the sole tyre supplier, someone should have listened.
 
Bridgestone are harming motogp, i think they need to take a serious look at the sport, themselves and at Formula 1 and realize that everyone can win if they just change their approach. It's getting ridiculous.
 
Well done to Spies, you could see he was trying & its nice to add a new winner to the list.

I enjoyed it, & it seems at least that all the riders were happy for him.



Thank god there is only 1 week in-between, Mugello is surely make or break for Simo psychologically?
 
Bridgestone are harming motogp, i think they need to take a serious look at the sport, themselves and at Formula 1 and realize that everyone can win if they just change their approach. It's getting ridiculous.

You take away competition, you take away the need for major investment. I was against a single tyre rule for this very reason. .... we don't even have intermediates, WTF is that all about
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