A theoretical question on the Yamaha seat

Kropotkin said:

Solomoto (generally pretty good) are saying Viñales is going to Yamaha. Shame that.

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Hope he knows what he might be in for if that is a done deal.

Really was it ever in question? I mean, I know we'd like to think of the romantic notion of staying with Suzuki. But when you consider a seat open at Yamaha is an extremely rare occurrence, without exaggeration, a once in a generation event. In fact it wasn't even supposed to happen, likely unavailable if Rossi doesn't go full Tonya Harding. Like I said, he would be a fool to pass up this opportunity. He is a Rossi fan. Even if it were to go sour in two years Rossi will be gone and Viñalez will be #1.


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Kropotkin said:

The reason most journalists are careful to avoid being openly critical of Rossi on Twitter is not because of Rossi. It is because of his fans. The deluge of ........ I have had to put up with from abusive Rossi fans is, above all, ....... tedious.

So yes, sometimes I do think twice about naming names. Not because I am afraid of Rossi - I don't ever expect to get a one-on-one with him, especially now that Lin Jarvis is annoyed at me for calling his handling of Sepang cowardly - but because I don't need to deal with his mouthbreathing fans. Blocking them is a tedious process.

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Wow, I think you are spitting in the mouth that feeds you a little here. For if it wasn't for Rossi's presence, Motogp would arguably have less money around it, less need for write ups and fewer people reading those write ups, and the ones who would suffer would be the independents like you. Like it or not, Its substantially due to the yellow army, shelling out for event tickets, and keeping the TV numbers and website clicks reasonable enough to keep Phillip Morris, VAG, Movistar, Repsol, Monster, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda and so on interested at the level they are, I know there still would be a lot of interest without him, but substantially less.

I'm sure Lin will let you talk with Jorge Lorenzo, you seem to like him more from what I can gather on who you let say what on your site.

And your presence here on this forum, the place where there is a small cancerous obsession with spewing copious amounts of absurd, mostly insane rantings about Rossi, if this indeed is in fact David Emmett, is a little disturbing. I'm sure if Lin knew you hung around here you wouldn't get within 50 metres of the Yamaha Garage, and maybe a few more garages at that.

You could always turn your hand at romance novels if the yellow army annoy you so? For in essence you are saying you don't really write what you want to, whether it be subjective or factual, for fear of retribution, so fiction could be an option- seems to be the story of Journalism these days.

Padron said:

Wow, I think you are spitting in the mouth that feeds you a little here. For if it wasn't for Rossi's presence, Motogp would arguably have less money around it, less need for write ups and fewer people reading those write ups, and the ones who would suffer would be the independents like you. Like it or not, Its substantially due to the yellow army, shelling out for event tickets, and keeping the TV numbers and website clicks reasonable enough to keep Phillip Morris, VAG, Movistar, Repsol, Monster, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda and so on interested at the level they are, I know there still would be a lot of interest without him, but substantially less.

I'm sure Lin will let you talk with Jorge Lorenzo, you seem to like him more from what I can gather on who you let say what on your site.

And your presence here on this forum, the place where there is a small cancerous obsession with spewing copious amounts of absurd, mostly insane rantings about Rossi, if this indeed is in fact David Emmett, is a little disturbing. I'm sure if Lin knew you hung around here you wouldn't get within 50 metres of the Yamaha Garage, and maybe a few more garages at that.

You could always turn your hand at romance novels if the yellow army annoy you so? For in essence you are saying you don't really write what you want to, whether it be subjective or factual, for fear of retribution, so fiction could be an option- seems to be the story of Journalism these days.

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Fruitcake bopper

Padron said:

Wow, I think you are spitting in the mouth that feeds you a little here. For if it wasn't for Rossi's presence... Snip.

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But is he speaking the truth?

Padron said:

Wow, I think you are spitting in the mouth that feeds you a little here. For if it wasn't for Rossi's presence, Motogp would arguably have less money around it, less need for write ups and fewer people reading those write ups, and the ones who would suffer would be the independents like you. Like it or not, Its substantially due to the yellow army, shelling out for event tickets, and keeping the TV numbers and website clicks reasonable enough to keep Phillip Morris, VAG, Movistar, Repsol, Monster, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda and so on interested at the level they are, I know there still would be a lot of interest without him, but substantially less.

I'm sure Lin will let you talk with Jorge Lorenzo, you seem to like him more from what I can gather on who you let say what on your site.

And your presence here on this forum, the place where there is a small cancerous obsession with spewing copious amounts of absurd, mostly insane rantings about Rossi, if this indeed is in fact David Emmett, is a little disturbing. I'm sure if Lin knew you hung around here you wouldn't get within 50 metres of the Yamaha Garage, and maybe a few more garages at that.

You could always turn your hand at romance novels if the yellow army annoy you so? For in essence you are saying you don't really write what you want to, whether it be subjective or factual, for fear of retribution, so fiction could be an option- seems to be the story of Journalism these days.

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And you proceed to precisely demonstrate his point.

Padron said:

Wow, I think you are spitting in the mouth that feeds you a little here. For if it wasn't for Rossi's presence, Motogp would arguably have less money around it, less need for write ups and fewer people reading those write ups, and the ones who would suffer would be the independents like you. Like it or not, Its substantially due to the yellow army, shelling out for event tickets, and keeping the TV numbers and website clicks reasonable enough to keep Phillip Morris, VAG, Movistar, Repsol, Monster, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda and so on interested at the level they are, I know there still would be a lot of interest without him, but substantially less.

I'm sure Lin will let you talk with Jorge Lorenzo, you seem to like him more from what I can gather on who you let say what on your site.

And your presence here on this forum, the place where there is a small cancerous obsession with spewing copious amounts of absurd, mostly insane rantings about Rossi, if this indeed is in fact David Emmett, is a little disturbing. I'm sure if Lin knew you hung around here you wouldn't get within 50 metres of the Yamaha Garage, and maybe a few more garages at that.

You could always turn your hand at romance novels if the yellow army annoy you so? For in essence you are saying you don't really write what you want to, whether it be subjective or factual, for fear of retribution, so fiction could be an option- seems to be the story of Journalism these days.

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Guilty by account? You're here aren't you? That must make you a bad guy too? Right, right, guilty by accout! Oh wait, that logic....it needs a rework. Krops presence here isn't representative of anything except the fact he has a login account, period. Like being a member of twitter, that doesn't reflect on twitter any more than this forum reflects on it's account users and vis versa. It's what one says that distinguishes a person. Perhaps you didn't read the original post of this thread before you came in spewing and frothing at the mouth; Krops started off by pointing out some of us (but not all) having a peculiar viewpoint, and got push back for it. He didn't go running to the hills. Maybe you should be asking, why aren't there more journalists on this forum with the balls to interact with fans.

You should stick around and grace us with more of your stellar logic. Pull up your boot straps like Kropo does and dare to be challenged. Let me give you a newsflash Pardon, this forum will allow anyone to present and explain their position. You already did the hard part, you have your user account. Now for the easy part, post your opinions. Obviously you'll be able to school us about what is right and wrong.

My prediction is you won't stick around long if at all. Once your notions are challenged you'll scurry back to where everyone you interact with doesn't disagree with your opinion. You'll go back to whatever space you have decided is the 'right' place for fans to discuss the 'right' opinions about MotoGP. Who are you to tell Krops that he shouldn't be here? Did you join just to tell people who should and shouldn't join a public forum?

Krops is his own man, he's been an asset to the forum wilst staying true to his own beliefs (often much to my chagrin). We are ALL individuals here. We have no control over each other's opinions, the forum doesn't speak in unison. And if you would have done a bit of due diligence instead of lodging your foot square in mouth, you would have realized Kropo is not any more typical of opinions here than anybody. Opinions run the spectrum, go back and read the forum in October. (Perhaps you were secretly PMing all like minded members to get away from this forum? )

We get it, you think if Rossi wasn't in MotoGP everything would shrivel up like the Great Depression. All these journalists would be out of work, begging for coins on the streets. All the riders would be racing in-between standing on the highway with a 'will work for food' sign. Incidentally Krops didn’t say he compromises his journalistic integrity in fear of his subjects, but rather the particular dynamic of twitter. Twitter isn't his site. I imagine it's because of people exactly like you.

Jumkie said:

Really was it ever in question? I mean, I know we'd like to think of the romantic notion of staying with Suzuki. But when you consider a seat open at Yamaha is an extremely rare occurrence, without exaggeration, a once in a generation event. In fact it wasn't even supposed to happen, likely unavailable if Rossi doesn't go full Tonya Harding. Like I said, he would be a fool to pass up this opportunity. He is a Rossi fan. Even if it were to go sour in two years Rossi will be gone and Viñalez will be #1.


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Will he be gone though?

He may not be riding but he will be involved in Yamaha guaranteed. If Maverick beats him and Rossi gets mad (again) he could make his life very difficult at Yamaha.

He should stick with Suzuki, that bike is as good as the Honda and duc.MM is making the Honda look good. The two Andrea's making duc look bad

I think an interesting school of thought would be' Where would Moto GP be if Rossi had never been heard of?' I don't reckon it would be as ill as some think. Maybe one of the nearly men of the early century would have won multi championships. The series survived ok before him and it will go on without him too.

Padron said:

Wow, I think you are spitting in the mouth that feeds you a little here. For if it wasn't for Rossi's presence, Motogp would arguably have less money around it, less need for write ups and fewer people reading those write ups, and the ones who would suffer would be the independents like you. Like it or not, Its substantially due to the yellow army, shelling out for event tickets, and keeping the TV numbers and website clicks reasonable enough to keep Phillip Morris, VAG, Movistar, Repsol, Monster, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda and so on interested at the level they are, I know there still would be a lot of interest without him, but substantially less.

I'm sure Lin will let you talk with Jorge Lorenzo, you seem to like him more from what I can gather on who you let say what on your site.

And your presence here on this forum, the place where there is a small cancerous obsession with spewing copious amounts of absurd, mostly insane rantings about Rossi, if this indeed is in fact David Emmett, is a little disturbing. I'm sure if Lin knew you hung around here you wouldn't get within 50 metres of the Yamaha Garage, and maybe a few more garages at that.

You could always turn your hand at romance novels if the yellow army annoy you so? For in essence you are saying you don't really write what you want to, whether it be subjective or factual, for fear of retribution, so fiction could be an option- seems to be the story of Journalism these days.

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FWIW just a minor history lesson.

Motorcycle racing was occuring and quite strong, well before Valentino Rossi arrived on the scene.

What is more, it used to get live TV coverage as well as have many more magazines dedicated to the sport ........... all well before Valentino Rossi arrived on the scene

Daniboy said:

I think an interesting school of thought would be' Where would Moto GP be if Rossi had never been heard of?' I don't reckon it would be as ill as some think. Maybe one of the nearly men of the early century would have won multi championships. The series survived ok before him and it will go on without him too.

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Exactly Dani, and it is oft repeated in this place that the sport was around before the Rossi obsession, and it will be around after the Rossi obsession is over in the year 2056.

IMO only, but the series was well beyond ok and was I feel in many ways superior as we had genuine privateers racing, enthusiast following the sport who appreciated all that occurred on the circuit and made the weekends a carnival atmosphere.

In so many way, whilst the sport has evolved and the costs increased in all ways (bikes, salaries, admission etc) the sport is no longer a sport but business and with business comes the bad.

Gaz said:

Exactly Dani, and it is oft repeated in this place that the sport was around before the Rossi obsession, and it will be around after the Rossi obsession is over in the year 2056.

IMO only, but the series was well beyond ok and was I feel in many ways superior as we had genuine privateers racing, enthusiast following the sport who appreciated all that occurred on the circuit and made the weekends a carnival atmosphere.

In so many way, whilst the sport has evolved and the costs increased in all ways (bikes, salaries, admission etc) the sport is no longer a sport but business and with business comes the bad.

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Same happened with football when Rupert Murdoch's money started to pollute the game , f1 too although that was already a rich mans sport. It's the way of the world though, money is made less by actual products and more by financial services.

Daniboy said:

I think an interesting school of thought would be' Where would Moto GP be if Rossi had never been heard of?' I don't reckon it would be as ill as some think. Maybe one of the nearly men of the early century would have won multi championships. The series survived ok before him and it will go on without him too.

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Mate, appreciate and respect your eminent reasonableness. But, actually, there is no doubt that Rossi has helped the sport to prosper more than it otherwise would have. And despite your assertion to the contrary, I and more informed protagonists here besides, are not motivated by bias. We call it as we see it, we don't wave our hands dismissively and paper over the cracks. We call ........ on ........ and to be honest, it's good learning for everybody, including Rossi actually, to process what actually happened. It's not prejudice, it's not confirmation bias and it's not necessarily pleasant; it's fact-based.
Your erstwhile writings, as I observe, have been personality-driven, motivated by the admirable (and sometimes productive) concept of Harmony. You don't like conflict and that's fine. But some people think that the MotoGP tv show is a sport, with rules and "equity" and what-not. And certainly it's represented as such by its promoters. So, it's good for the "sport" to strengthen and develop these principles. And thats why we do it.


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Cool Blue said:

Mate, appreciate and respect your eminent reasonableness. But, actually, there is no doubt that Rossi has helped the sport to prosper more than it otherwise would have. And despite your assertion to the contrary, I and more informed protagonists here besides, are not motivated by bias. We call it as we see it, we don't wave our hands dismissively and paper over the cracks. We call ........ on ........ and to be honest, it's good learning for everybody, including Rossi actually, to process what actually happened. It's not prejudice, it's not confirmation bias and it's not necessarily pleasant; it's fact-based.
Your erstwhile writings, as I observe, have been personality-driven, motivated by the admirable (and sometimes productive) concept of Harmony. You don't like conflict and that's fine. But some people think that the MotoGP tv show is a sport, with rules and "equity" and what-not. And certainly it's represented as such by its promoters. So, it's good for the "sport" to strengthen and develop these principles. And thats why we do it.


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It's not particularly conflict I don't like, otherwise why am I so ready to argue a point? What I have regularly taken exception to is the attacks on VR in race threads in the 2016 season , which are only happening because of his month of madness in 2015. Every time I go to the current race thread to discuss the race, the discussion turns to that, repeat that by multiple threads and then you can arrive at the reason I am so peeved . As I've mentioned before I watched GP before Rossi and I'll watch it after. I suppose it's the nature of internet conversation anyway, everyone believes their own thing !

Daniboy said:

It's not particularly conflict I don't like, otherwise why am I so ready to argue a point? What I have regularly taken exception to is the attacks on VR in race threads in the 2016 season , which are only happening because of his month of madness in 2015. Every time I go to the current race thread to discuss the race, the discussion turns to that, repeat that by multiple threads and then you can arrive at the reason I am so peeved . As I've mentioned before I watched GP before Rossi and I'll watch it after. I suppose it's the nature of internet conversation anyway, everyone believes their own thing !

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But for your opponents the effects of Rossi's month of madness as you aptly put it are ongoing, with JL and MM being jeered if they win and cheered only if they crash out, anathema to traditional race fans, and Jorge very recently as defending world champion and winner of the last 3 titles by a Yamaha rider basically being forced out of Yamaha when he is in my admittedly fanboy opinion the best rider in the world currently, hard for me as a fan to ignore. I was going for Jorge last year but I would have given VR full credit for an amazing achievement if he had won, prior to the late season shenanigans.

Daniboy said:

It's not particularly conflict I don't like, otherwise why am I so ready to argue a point? What I have regularly taken exception to is the attacks on VR in race threads in the 2016 season , which are only happening because of his month of madness in 2015. Every time I go to the current race thread to discuss the race, the discussion turns to that, repeat that by multiple threads and then you can arrive at the reason I am so peeved . As I've mentioned before I watched GP before Rossi and I'll watch it after. I suppose it's the nature of internet conversation anyway, everyone believes their own thing !

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I don't "believe" anything actually, I have a current theory which I'm constantly challenging and asking to be challenged.
I call it learning and it's the opposite of belief.


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michaelm said:

But for your opponents the effects of Rossi's month of madness as you aptly put it are ongoing, with JL and MM being jeered if they win and cheered only if they crash out, anathema to traditional race fans, and Jorge very recently as defending world champion and winner of the last 3 titles by a Yamaha rider basically being forced out of Yamaha when he is in my admittedly fanboy opinion the best rider in the world currently, hard for me as a fan to ignore. I was going for Jorge last year but I would have given VR full credit for an amazing achievement if he had won, prior to the late season shenanigans.

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I totally agree that the boos are out of order. I will admit that I did laugh at the Dovi/Marquez simulcrash (once I saw they were ok) but for the most part I wish those 'fans' would hop down to the local football ground and ply their fandom there. I don't agree Lorenzo was forced out as he did choose to leave, he could just as easily have stayed and toughed it out, in essence he has done what Vale did by going the same route and it will also very probably be to his own detriment too.

Daniboy said:

I totally agree that the boos are out of order. I will admit that I did laugh at the Dovi/Marquez simulcrash (once I saw they were ok) but for the most part I wish those 'fans' would hop down to the local football ground and ply their fandom there. I don't agree Lorenzo was forced out as he did choose to leave, he could just as easily have stayed and toughed it out, in essence he has done what Vale did by going the same route and it will also very probably be to his own detriment too.

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I'm calling .........
If he wasn't "forced" then why would he be required to "tough it out"?


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Daniboy said:

I totally agree that the boos are out of order. I will admit that I did laugh at the Dovi/Marquez simulcrash (once I saw they were ok) but for the most part I wish those 'fans' would hop down to the local football ground and ply their fandom there. I don't agree Lorenzo was forced out as he did choose to leave, he could just as easily have stayed and toughed it out, in essence he has done what Vale did by going the same route and it will also very probably be to his own detriment too.

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The major difference is that when Rossi left in 2011, Lorenzo was world champ.

Lorenzo left in 2016, and was world champ in 2015.

Lorenzo has left on top. He wasn't forced, he choose because he should be number 1 status and wasn't getting it. When Rossi came back in 2013 he was number two, three years later what gives him the right to be number 1, cos his results don't.