A theoretical question on the Yamaha seat
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Krops, you know, this forum never ceases to amaze me. With all do respect, from my perspective, Rossi is so powerful that it clearly makes journalists think twice what they say. I'm sure you disagree. It may be nothing, but I noticed even you were cryptic to use Rossi's name regarding the booing and only when pressed to do so did you spell it out.
David Emmett – @motomatters
@alias_sid It would be nice if riders would speak out. But riders are too involved. 1 rider, in particular, won't do it.
This tweet was particularly interesting:
Alias Sid @alias_sid
@motomatters I guess that is a yes then?
Gotta say I am astonished at the power some riders have over journo's.
Many thanks for your time
Rossi really does hold disproportionate power over the media not just the overwhelming number of spectators and the organization. That is not a "tinfoil" assessment. Opening this thread pokes fun at what you conclude is a lack of objectivity, I like the boldness buddy. Frankly I'm glad this space exists for all of us, you included, where we can let our hair down (oops sorry) and express ourselves openly. Great place for lighthearted banter too, not to mention a nice soapbox for those of us who don't have an audience, where we rant to whomever will listen. I think it's great that we can all have this freedom on this site, I love that about this forum and i hope you never stop being an active member. Your insight is appreciated. I got the link of the petition off your twitter, where I was amused at your exchange with the twitter member I quoted above. Here is the conversation. The progression of the exchange was fascinating.
https://mobile.twitter.com/motomatters/status/730506292691865600
Btw, I agree with you that this petition is futile. I'm not sure if the person who created it did it as a joke or what, but regardless it does serve to point out a reality about the sport that journalists as a whole 'fold' (like tinfoil) to confront and pinpoint exactly whom is responsible for this phenomena. That a petition would be opened to bring attention for an issue that normally the Fourth Estate (journalists) is tasked to do. There is no question whom is responsible for creating the environment of the latest episode of booing. His name is Rossi. No, it's not a 'group' of "petulant" participants like you and other journalists are fond of saying as if to employ a sense of impartiality by spreading the blame. It is not only inaccurate but irresponsible to place blame on Marquez and Lorenzo when you know for a fact Rossi started this .... exactly at the Sepang press conference. It is the ONLY reason Marc & Jorge are being openly disrespected.
I also will point out you tweeted a plea for fans to behave with dignity. I commend you on the effort. The exchange you attracted from this tweet was amusing. Nonetheless, you're a journalist, surely there is more you can do to bring attention to it, specifically the NAME of its source. You witnessed Gavin Emmett ask the riders about the booing, Lorenzo's response was clear, he doesn't appreciate it and he thinks it is disgusting. Let's shelve the fact Rossi's ridiculous response wasn't followed up by what journalists normally do when their subject evades the obvious. Geez, speaking of 'tinfoil', Gavin folded faster than wet paper mache, let alone tinfoil. But now you're saying Lorenzo IS "feed on the booing"?
David Emmett @motomatters
@alias_sid I don't think Rossi wants it to stop. I'm not sure Lorenzo wants it to stop, he is feeding off it to go faster.
Again, with due respect, this smacks to me of sugarcoating a bit here, in addition of letting Rossi off the hook. Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but it sure looks to me like you didn’t quite understand Lorenzo if you think "Lorenzo doesn't want it to stop." You're not sure that "Rossi wants it to stop"? Uhm...You think? I'm sure you'll be at most European rounds, you'll have a chance to ask Rossi. You can also clarify your sense of 'uncertainty' regarding Lorenzo; ask him if he was serious when he answered Gavin by sayin he doesn't know what he has done wrong to get booed wilst 'risking his life'. Better yet, how about following up Gavin's question and asking Rossi about it without letting him off the hook at Mugello's pre-event press conference, where there is surely to be deafening jeering of Lorenzo. While we all have our "tinfoil hats" on, you'll have a chance to clarify with Lorenzo and assure yourself of your notion he is "feeding off" the open disrespect, the kind of thing that according to Randy Mamola (I would have said members of this forum) was the catalyst (which yourself wrote) that ultimately led him to forego his desire to make a lifelong career with Yamaha and move on to Ducati.
Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
David Emmett – @motomatters
@alias_sid It would be nice if riders would speak out. But riders are too involved. 1 rider, in particular, won't do it.
This tweet was particularly interesting:
Alias Sid @alias_sid
@motomatters I guess that is a yes then?
Gotta say I am astonished at the power some riders have over journo's.
Many thanks for your time
Rossi really does hold disproportionate power over the media not just the overwhelming number of spectators and the organization. That is not a "tinfoil" assessment. Opening this thread pokes fun at what you conclude is a lack of objectivity, I like the boldness buddy. Frankly I'm glad this space exists for all of us, you included, where we can let our hair down (oops sorry) and express ourselves openly. Great place for lighthearted banter too, not to mention a nice soapbox for those of us who don't have an audience, where we rant to whomever will listen. I think it's great that we can all have this freedom on this site, I love that about this forum and i hope you never stop being an active member. Your insight is appreciated. I got the link of the petition off your twitter, where I was amused at your exchange with the twitter member I quoted above. Here is the conversation. The progression of the exchange was fascinating.
https://mobile.twitter.com/motomatters/status/730506292691865600
Btw, I agree with you that this petition is futile. I'm not sure if the person who created it did it as a joke or what, but regardless it does serve to point out a reality about the sport that journalists as a whole 'fold' (like tinfoil) to confront and pinpoint exactly whom is responsible for this phenomena. That a petition would be opened to bring attention for an issue that normally the Fourth Estate (journalists) is tasked to do. There is no question whom is responsible for creating the environment of the latest episode of booing. His name is Rossi. No, it's not a 'group' of "petulant" participants like you and other journalists are fond of saying as if to employ a sense of impartiality by spreading the blame. It is not only inaccurate but irresponsible to place blame on Marquez and Lorenzo when you know for a fact Rossi started this .... exactly at the Sepang press conference. It is the ONLY reason Marc & Jorge are being openly disrespected.
I also will point out you tweeted a plea for fans to behave with dignity. I commend you on the effort. The exchange you attracted from this tweet was amusing. Nonetheless, you're a journalist, surely there is more you can do to bring attention to it, specifically the NAME of its source. You witnessed Gavin Emmett ask the riders about the booing, Lorenzo's response was clear, he doesn't appreciate it and he thinks it is disgusting. Let's shelve the fact Rossi's ridiculous response wasn't followed up by what journalists normally do when their subject evades the obvious. Geez, speaking of 'tinfoil', Gavin folded faster than wet paper mache, let alone tinfoil. But now you're saying Lorenzo IS "feed on the booing"?
David Emmett @motomatters
@alias_sid I don't think Rossi wants it to stop. I'm not sure Lorenzo wants it to stop, he is feeding off it to go faster.
Again, with due respect, this smacks to me of sugarcoating a bit here, in addition of letting Rossi off the hook. Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but it sure looks to me like you didn’t quite understand Lorenzo if you think "Lorenzo doesn't want it to stop." You're not sure that "Rossi wants it to stop"? Uhm...You think? I'm sure you'll be at most European rounds, you'll have a chance to ask Rossi. You can also clarify your sense of 'uncertainty' regarding Lorenzo; ask him if he was serious when he answered Gavin by sayin he doesn't know what he has done wrong to get booed wilst 'risking his life'. Better yet, how about following up Gavin's question and asking Rossi about it without letting him off the hook at Mugello's pre-event press conference, where there is surely to be deafening jeering of Lorenzo. While we all have our "tinfoil hats" on, you'll have a chance to clarify with Lorenzo and assure yourself of your notion he is "feeding off" the open disrespect, the kind of thing that according to Randy Mamola (I would have said members of this forum) was the catalyst (which yourself wrote) that ultimately led him to forego his desire to make a lifelong career with Yamaha and move on to Ducati.
Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
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But he isn't, that's the point. He has power over Yamaha and Dorna, so will almost certainly have a say in who shares the Yamaha garage with him.
I must admit, as Jum says. I'd love for someone to call him out on his ........ "I know nothing of booing" statement, really back him into a corner over it. Maybe a journalist is retiring soon?!
The whole affair shows me what a classless, entitled and arrogant prick he is, even if he can ride a bike fast.
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You remind me of a old friend we had here who asked, if Rossi is so powerful why didn't he have Indy repaved after a crash. Daniboy, you're a very funny guy.
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I don't think it is humanly possible to post anything to get someone thrown off this forum. Everything goes. This is not Motomutters.
I heard some rumors. If there is one place where I know people will be keen to take sides on such rumors, it is here. So I was testing the waters, judging the reaction. It has surprised me.
EDIT: Also, you are right. I did insult you. My apologies.
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The reason most journalists are careful to avoid being openly critical of Rossi on Twitter is not because of Rossi. It is because of his fans. The deluge of ........ I have had to put up with from abusive Rossi fans is, above all, ....... tedious.
So yes, sometimes I do think twice about naming names. Not because I am afraid of Rossi - I don't ever expect to get a one-on-one with him, especially now that Lin Jarvis is annoyed at me for calling his handling of Sepang cowardly - but because I don't need to deal with his mouthbreathing fans. Blocking them is a tedious process.
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I think you're missing some possible scenarios from the original poll, one as you have mentioned, Rossi having influence over the decision, the other being would Movistar have influence to exert. We don't know quite how much influence Movistar have purchased, often times title sponsors are only paying a pittance toward the overall running costs.
Would Dorna influence this decision? I agree with others in that so long as Rossi is signed there, Dorna are happy that the money will continue to flow.
Have Dorna influenced the placing of riders in the past? 100% yes. Dorna were instrumental in PBM signing Yonny Hernandez at the end of 2012, they needed a vehicle to keep a rider from the South American continent in the class. Michael Laverty was only offered the other seat when Shane Byrne refused it. Despite finishing 4th in CRT and 9th in the Valencia GP, James Ellison was never even in the picture.
Dorna, while likely innocent on this occasion, do have form. They are a business above all else.
"They will let Yamaha choose". This is where the notion that Yamaha alone will choose comes into question. If you're Lin Jarvis or Yamaha MotoGP Factory Team and you're faced with the following:
1. All the top riders are out of contract at the end of 2016
2. Your primary focus is to win races & championships
What do you do? Personally, I would chase the fastest riders on the market, the men most likely to win me those races. Wouldn't you?
Ok then, so when will the details of the offer from Yamaha to Marc Marquez emerge?
It won't, because it didn't happen. Are Yamaha entirely calling the shots within that team, or is Valentino 'assisting' them? I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Mr. Jarvis reported back to Japan that they had just lost the services of the reigning World Champion.
No tinfoil hat necessary.
Would Dorna influence this decision? I agree with others in that so long as Rossi is signed there, Dorna are happy that the money will continue to flow.
Have Dorna influenced the placing of riders in the past? 100% yes. Dorna were instrumental in PBM signing Yonny Hernandez at the end of 2012, they needed a vehicle to keep a rider from the South American continent in the class. Michael Laverty was only offered the other seat when Shane Byrne refused it. Despite finishing 4th in CRT and 9th in the Valencia GP, James Ellison was never even in the picture.
Dorna, while likely innocent on this occasion, do have form. They are a business above all else.
"They will let Yamaha choose". This is where the notion that Yamaha alone will choose comes into question. If you're Lin Jarvis or Yamaha MotoGP Factory Team and you're faced with the following:
1. All the top riders are out of contract at the end of 2016
2. Your primary focus is to win races & championships
What do you do? Personally, I would chase the fastest riders on the market, the men most likely to win me those races. Wouldn't you?
Ok then, so when will the details of the offer from Yamaha to Marc Marquez emerge?
It won't, because it didn't happen. Are Yamaha entirely calling the shots within that team, or is Valentino 'assisting' them? I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Mr. Jarvis reported back to Japan that they had just lost the services of the reigning World Champion.
No tinfoil hat necessary.
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I've actually wondered something very similar. If you're an up & coming rider do you really want to enter the circus that surrounds Rossi.
Outside that Yamaha garage all weekend in every paddock is just bedlam. Every PR event is a Rossi event. Yes, you get a super competitive bike, but really is it worth it for all the crap. As Jorge has shown, even if you win the title, you're still only Rossi's team mate in the public's eye (Present company excepted!)
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Whenever you show up riots start. Going to have to start calling you KroTrumpkin.
No need to apologize to our long lost ball of hate. He's just angry at the world because he cant accept that all human behavior doesnt agree with his sensibilities.
You'd should respect him though Krop. He's got great insider knowledge. I heard his trailer park is now getting an HD feed
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Fair enough. Tedious is an understatement. Don't know how you do it.
And please oh Lord, don't tell me the rumors are Crutchlow to Yamaha. Man, that though just went over like the cold fucket challenge. If that happens, I may be done with GP.
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Yes, it's worth it. Absolutely worth it.
Though frankly I think we are looking at it through our bias lense. First of all, the overwhelming majority of riders are Rossi fans. Riding along side him would be a dream. Did you not hear Viñalez's comments at the last press, and Zarco's? Most adore Rossi. Not to mention the Yamaha seat is a once in a generation proposition. Anybody offered it would be a fool to pass it up. And if you're still wondering how most riders feel about Rossi take another look at Valencia.
No way Crutchlow goes to Yamaha. That bridge is burnt to a crisp. Pol slagging Yamaha at every opportunity rules him out. Pol would love to take the Repsol seat, but it would leave him bitterly disappointed. Someone who paid 3.5 million for one of those bikes described it as '....'. His words, not mine.
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:giggle:, it's even more funny because Petrucci didn't need to change his line! Rossi had already lined him up to pass on the brakes, but Petrucci's move let Smith through! Smith should've waved back at him.
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