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A theoretical question on the Yamaha seat

Would Dorna interfere in the decision of who gets the 2nd Yamaha seat?

  • No, Dorna would not interfere. They will let Yamaha choose

    Votes: 27 84.4%
  • Yes, they would interfere, and try to get Dani Pedrosa on the second Yamaha

    Votes: 2 6.3%
  • Yes, they would interfere, and try to get Maverick Viñales on the bike.

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • Total voters
    32
I don't think it's that underwhelming. You're underestimating Jonathan Rea imo.

The racing has been interesting this year.

Yo couuld swap half of the WSBK grid with half the MotoGP grid and you wouldn't see any difference in the GP product.

Seeing two Brits battling up top is a nice change of pace from being force-fed Spaniards for years because Carmelo thinks those are the only people worthy of GP rides.

I have always said the second half of a GP lineup could be replaced with a dozen riders from numerous series across the globe. WSBK is BSB's slightly younger brother, both long in the tooth with no glaring young talent on the horizon including VDM. He is good, but nothing that has GP teams beating down the doors to get his signature. I would rate him in the same class as Crutchlow, Toseland, Hodgeson,
 
Pedro is too locked in to Honda. I don't think for a second he has the capacity to imagine himself in any other scenario. He and the Honda are like an old married couple that haven't had ... in 8 years.

He's always struggled on race day with a hard on.
 
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Agree, surely this conspiracy has been discussed on here before my time!

Fireblade had a great post on this subject.

I think you're missing some possible scenarios from the original poll, one as you have mentioned, Rossi having influence over the decision, the other being would Movistar have influence to exert. We don't know quite how much influence Movistar have purchased, often times title sponsors are only paying a pittance toward the overall running costs.

Would Dorna influence this decision? I agree with others in that so long as Rossi is signed there, Dorna are happy that the money will continue to flow.

Have Dorna influenced the placing of riders in the past? 100% yes. Dorna were instrumental in PBM signing Yonny Hernandez at the end of 2012, they needed a vehicle to keep a rider from the South American continent in the class. Michael Laverty was only offered the other seat when Shane Byrne refused it. Despite finishing 4th in CRT and 9th in the Valencia GP, James Ellison was never even in the picture.

Dorna, while likely innocent on this occasion, do have form. They are a business above all else.

"They will let Yamaha choose". This is where the notion that Yamaha alone will choose comes into question. If you're Lin Jarvis or Yamaha MotoGP Factory Team and you're faced with the following:

1. All the top riders are out of contract at the end of 2016
2. Your primary focus is to win races & championships

What do you do? Personally, I would chase the fastest riders on the market, the men most likely to win me those races. Wouldn't you?

Ok then, so when will the details of the offer from Yamaha to Marc Marquez emerge?

It won't, because it didn't happen. Are Yamaha entirely calling the shots within that team, or is Valentino 'assisting' them? I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Mr. Jarvis reported back to Japan that they had just lost the services of the reigning World Champion.

No tinfoil hat necessary.
 
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Really, one thing this forum isn't lacking is imagination.
The only ones who realistically can influence Yamaha are Movistar. They want a Spaniard. They love Pedrosa. Maybe Yamaha prefer Vinales or another young talent.
It will be a Spaniard and Rossi cant have much say, -- since he's signed already.
 
The reason most journalists are careful to avoid being openly critical of Rossi on Twitter is not because of Rossi. It is because of his fans. The deluge of ........ I have had to put up with from abusive Rossi fans is, above all, ....... tedious.

This had me rolling.


I have learned that when fans say 'objective' they mean 'agree 100% with my opinion'. Krops



https://mobile.twitter.com/motomatters/status/731123380573900800

Read entire conversation.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.Y.)
 
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Really, one thing this forum isn't lacking is imagination.
The only ones who realistically can influence Yamaha are Movistar. They want a Spaniard. They love Pedrosa. Maybe Yamaha prefer Vinales or another young talent.
It will be a Spaniard and Rossi cant have much say, -- since he's signed already.

You're still peddling that ........?
 
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I don't even agree 100% with myself sometimes. But I suppose you don't have that problem, being right all the time.

Thank you for that, I must confess though, I'm not right ALL the time
Seriously, did you agree with or like what the journo was saying to those fans?
 
Thank you for that, I must confess though, I'm not right ALL the time
Seriously, did you agree with or like what the journo was saying to those fans?
It wasn't obvious? Yes, Krops was spot on. And made the point wilst being funny.
 
Same "........" as Lorenzo to Ducati, uh? :)
J4rn0, you are so amusing buddy.

There was a Spanish 'journalist' (which dovetails nicely with the exchange I'm having with Daniboy) that said there was maximum tension at Yamaha, where one was definitely leaving. That journalists was accused by another journalists that he was full of ..... Turns out one of those journalists was spot on. The first journalists was either full of .... and just got lucky, aiding to 'confirmation bias' or the other journalists was mistaken or neither.

The "........" you keep peddling regarding Rossi's influence is that he has no influence. Reminds me of your infamous assessment that Ducati did nothing special or radical to help Rossi during his stint. To insist Rossi has no influence is to pathetically miss the underlying reason Lorenzo moved to Ducati, which is most ironically cause celeb for you to pat yourself on the back...much to my amusement.
 
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Same "........" as Lorenzo to Ducati, uh? :)

Remember when Carmelo bailed Rossi out of Ducati by working with Yamaha marketing? Kind of negates your whole claim about only Movistar being able to influence Yamaha. Actually forget that, there's a whole slew of evidence on who can influence Yamaha, namely Ezepeleta, Rossi, and Yamaha marketing.

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It wasn't obvious? Yes, Krops was spot on. And made the point wilst being funny.

Yes it was plain to see, I'm just confused, I keep getting told journos are dornas puppets and won't write the truth etc , yet krops exchange proves exactly the opposite, not just him, Julian Ryder, Toby Moody , Keith Huewen amongst others have all called Rossi out for Sepang , press conference and race misdeeds.
Would they do that if they were in fear of their gp covering future? Apparently this question is too hard to directly answer and calls for evasive tactics....
 
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Yes it was plain to see, I'm just confused, I keep getting told journos are dornas puppets and won't write the truth etc , yet krops exchange proves exactly the opposite, not just him, Julian Ryder, Toby Moody , Keith Huewen amongst others have all called Rossi out for Sepang , press conference and race misdeeds.
Would they do that if they were in fear of their gp covering future?

You're confused as you concede, that much is clear. Remember when I said you remind me of an old friend who asked, if Rossi is so powerful why didn’t he get Indy repaved? There seems to be a bit of cognition lacking to understand the nuance. Explaining it to you, as other exchanges we've had makes clear, appears to be futile.
 
Remember when Carmelo bailed Rossi out of Ducati by working with Yamaha marketing?

No I don't.... Please tell me the story again. If even this cannot make me sleep, ask Jums to tell me again the story of Ducati investing billions to develop a NASA bike for Rossi. You guys are invaluable as sleeping aids. :lazy2::lazy::lazy3:
 

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