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Bern1 said:
The thing is, livestock is the major contributor to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, burning fossil fuels is actually comparatively minor..
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I'm not certain that your assumption is factually incorrect.

While it is true that methane from livestock is a large contributor to greenhouse gasses, it is by its nature different than fossil fuels, as the CO2 in the methane is part of the biogenic carbon cycle, while fossil fuels have been added.

What complicates the issue is that methane is a far stronger contributor, yet has only a shelf life of about 12 years. While the same for CO2 is 100.000 years +.
N20 has an even bigger effect, but this is a bit off topic. Unless we'll be using fertilizers to fuel our bikes...
 
Bern1 said:
The thing is, livestock is the major contributor to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, burning fossil fuels is actually comparatively minor..
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You’ll be telling us next Bill is buying all the ranches up to stop the cows farting eh?
Motor bikes for the craic. Politics for the arguments.😉 😁
Edit. He probably is the sad ....…..whoops there you go.🤣
 
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Sennas_Caress said:
MotoGP™ engine specification frozen for 2026

It's official
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The more the GPC negotiate the inner workings of the sport, the worse things get. I'm not necessarily opposed, but it's a bit crazy to watch these people paint themselves into a corner every 5 years, and no one ever gets a drubbing or maybe prison time.

Case study in why monopoly/cartel powers cannot be tolerated.
 
mylexicon said:
The more the GPC negotiate the inner workings of the sport, the worse things get. I'm not necessarily opposed, but it's a bit crazy to watch these people paint themselves into a corner every 5 years, and no one ever gets a drubbing or maybe prison time.

Case study in why monopoly/cartel powers cannot be tolerated.
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Didn't know there were Commies in Texas.
 
mylexicon said:
Case study in why monopoly/cartel powers cannot be tolerated.
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Yup. Case in point, F1 in the late 2000's. Allowed manufacturers to have monopoly on rules, then when the going go tough, 4 of them bailed (Renault, Honda, Toyota, BMW) which nearly saw the end of 3 of those teams, and did spell the end for 1 of them.
 
Keshav said:
Didn't know there were Commies in Texas.
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The remarks about prison time were tongue-and-cheek, but whenever executives are extolled and promoted for solving the occupational hazards they created themselves, it's a hint that we might not be examining a legitimate market-based business enterprise.

Technically speaking, I don't have an issue with the freeze or behind-the-scenes negotiations. In fact, I applaud them for making the freeze public. My only complaint is that Jerry Burgess (and many others) have been correct the entire time about the perils of basing MotoGP on large displacement 4-stroke engines. There is simply too much untapped performance, and the formula will be unstable. I came to that realization in 2010 or 2011 as a kid who liked seeing Nick smoke the tires.

Twenty-five years after adopting four-strokes, MotoGP is freezing 1000cc engines and hoping that 850cc engines will stabilize the levee and hold back the flood waters. Am I the crazy one? Maybe 😁
 
mylexicon said:
The remarks about prison time were tongue-and-cheek, but whenever executives are extolled and promoted for solving the occupational hazards they created themselves, it's a hint that we might not be examining a legitimate market-based business enterprise.

Technically speaking, I don't have an issue with the freeze or behind-the-scenes negotiations. In fact, I applaud them for making the freeze public. My only complaint is that Jerry Burgess (and many others) have been correct the entire time about the perils of basing MotoGP on large displacement 4-stroke engines. There is simply too much untapped performance, and the formula will be unstable. I came to that realization in 2010 or 2011 as a kid who liked seeing Nick smoke the tires.

Twenty-five years after adopting four-strokes, MotoGP is freezing 1000cc engines and hoping that 850cc engines will stabilize the levee and hold back the flood waters. Am I the crazy one? Maybe 😁
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To be absolutely clear, I was being facetious.
 
Interesting that the quote from Pecco says it's contractual. Looks like some sharp negotiation by Jorge and his team when that contract was signed two years ago, along with some generosity from Ducati in order to keep him.
 
techDmn said:
Interesting that the quote from Pecco says it's contractual. Looks like some sharp negotiation by Jorge and his team when that contract was signed two years ago, along with some generosity from Ducati in order to keep him.
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They probably also don't want JM or anyone who leaves with him to know what is in store for next year. I did read he wasn't allowed to test the new stuff in the most recent testing or even be in the factory team pits.

Fair enough I guess, but still plaudits to Ducati for not simply giving the updates to the rider signed for next year and not to the rider who is leaving, which has been the common practice including for them.
 
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mylexicon said:
The remarks about prison time were tongue-and-cheek, but whenever executives are extolled and promoted for solving the occupational hazards they created themselves, it's a hint that we might not be examining a legitimate market-based business enterprise.

Technically speaking, I don't have an issue with the freeze or behind-the-scenes negotiations. In fact, I applaud them for making the freeze public. My only complaint is that Jerry Burgess (and many others) have been correct the entire time about the perils of basing MotoGP on large displacement 4-stroke engines. There is simply too much untapped performance, and the formula will be unstable. I came to that realization in 2010 or 2011 as a kid who liked seeing Nick smoke the tires.

Twenty-five years after adopting four-strokes, MotoGP is freezing 1000cc engines and hoping that 850cc engines will stabilize the levee and hold back the flood waters. Am I the crazy one? Maybe 😁
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Absolutely correct. They already tried this with the 800 formula, and those bikes were quicker than the 990 bikes in short order. And whether or not these measures save money what they mostly do imo is entrench advantages, which probably leads to the team with an entrenched advantage getting more money from sponsorship etc.

Mercedes who were already better resourced than most got to have an engine power advantage in F1. And recent seasons in MotoGP as you have said previously have been significantly about how Gigi can out-engineer the engineers of other teams. If he is better he is better, I have no trouble with same per se, but he has at least partly done this by Ducati having superior aero, and I am yet to see an argument from anyone as to how aero is good for motogp, or especially how it has any application to motorcycles in general. My technical knowledge is lacking compared to many on here, but I have always thought the desmo valve gear gave them an advantage in a fuel economy formula, a fair one in that case imo given they have it on their road bikes.

Honda and Yamaha are not restricted., for what use that is in the dying 2 years of the current formula, it certainly won’t allow them several years of dominance as it has Ducati, although Yamaha at least are apparently developing a V4.
 
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The engine freeze will prevent manufacturers with bigger budgets from simultaneously development the 1000cc engine at the same time as developing the 850cc engine and while manufacturers with better engines might get an advantage in 2025 and 2026 it should allow for a more even start to 850cc racing than would of happened if the freeze didn't happen
 
mikesbytes said:
The engine freeze will prevent manufacturers with bigger budgets from simultaneously development the 1000cc engine at the same time as developing the 850cc engine and while manufacturers with better engines might get an advantage in 2025 and 2026 it should allow for a more even start to 850cc racing than would of happened if the freeze didn't happen
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How does it stop them developing an 850 engine ?. Was anyone going to run an 850 engine in a race while the 1000 formula was still going ? I guess Pramac Yamaha could run one for development purposes, and given Tech 3 is basically owned by KTM they could have. I extremely doubt VR46 who are most closely tied to Ducati would have. Presumably no factory team was ever going to run one in a race while the 1000 formula is still in place.
 
michaelm said:
How does it stop them developing an 850 engine ?. Was anyone going to run an 850 engine in a race while the 1000 formula was still going ? I guess Pramac Yamaha could run one for development purposes, and given Tech 3 is basically owned by KTM they could have. I extremely doubt VR46 who are most closely tied to Ducati would have. Presumably no factory team was ever going to run one in a race while the 1000 formula is still in place.
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Splits the funs between the continued development of the 1000cc engine and the 850cc engine

Can see the logic in Yamaha running an 850cc engine with one if its riders before the end of the 1000cc era. Yamaha has the problem in that switching to a V4 means new frame technology etc etc and I'm sure they are thinking about these scenario's. BTY why did it take so long for Miller to sign? Do they have a special role for Miller in mind?
 

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