2025 Silly Season

BMW acquires Suzuki's MotoGP data....

Now that is interesting.

synn said:

Last I heard, they couldn’t afford the upkeep, so unlikely it will return to world championship events, which is a shame.

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This makes me sad. Such a great track.

#22 said:

Now that is interesting.

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Almost a guarantee now that they will field an inline 4.

It’s funny in a way, Dorna offered to sell them the GSX-RR IP and material at a throwaway price (With Suzuki’s approval), but they turned it down back then. Things have changed it seems…

Awesome. Now I hope they don't do what they uszally do and leave after three years if they don't immediately win.

Oh and if they actually join please demand a new 10-year contract for the Sachsenring along the way.

JFM01 said:

Awesome. Now I hope they don't do what they uszally do and leave after three years if they don't immediately win.

Oh and if they actually join please demand a new 10-year contract for the Sachsenring along the way.

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If WSBK is anything to go by, I think they'll stick around.
I'm a BMW fanboy since boyhood, so I'm stoked for this.

I always thought the "BMW Power" on the Williams cars were so badass

I’m assuming this is the carrot they dangled in front of Toprak to convince him to stay in WSBK for now. Win a couple of WSBK crowns with them, play an active role in developing their prototype, move over to MotoGP in 2027 and be richer than Scrooge McDuck.

synn said:

I’m assuming this is the carrot they dangled in front of Toprak to convince him to stay in WSBK for now. Win a couple of WSBK crowns with them, play an active role in developing their prototype, move over to MotoGP in 2027 and be richer than Scrooge McDuck.

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A delusional Scott Redding sees this as his way back to MotoGP. lol

Saffa said:

If WSBK is anything to go by, I think they'll stick around.
I'm a BMW fanboy since boyhood, so I'm stoked for this.

I always thought the "BMW Power" on the Williams cars were so badass

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That's a Sauber.
Didn't they briefly abandon the factory effort in SBK after 2012 as well?

And they're about to get out of GTP as well I think.

JFM01 said:

That's a Sauber.
Didn't they briefly abandon the factory effort in SBK after 2012 as well?

And they're about to get out of GTP as well I think.

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They supplied engines for Williams before they took over Sauber to form the BMW factory team.

Saffa said:

They supplied engines for Williams before they took over Sauber to form the BMW factory team.

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I'm well aware but the car in that picture is a 2006-2008 Sauber.
Williams never had that paint job.

JFM01 said:

That's a Sauber.
Didn't they briefly abandon the factory effort in SBK after 2012 as well?

And they're about to get out of GTP as well I think.

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Ok then, THIS is the WIlliams

JFM01 said:

I'm well aware but the car in that picture is a 2006-2008 Sauber.
Williams never had that paint job.

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Oh right! I misunderstood your point
Yea, I just took the first image I found!

Sennas_Caress said:

BMW acquires Suzuki’s GSX-RR MotoGP data – next step for 2027?

Latest paddock news suggests that BMW is taking the next step towards creating a MotoGP project by buying Suzuki’s GSX-RR data to accelerate the design and engineering process

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BMW acquires Suzuki's MotoGP data....

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Now that's really interesting.

MichaelBolton said:

Glad for DiGia, that was quite the turnaround from a year ago, and he seems a humble and hard worker guy. Let's see if he can mix it with the factory guys like JM89 has done.

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I think his best is yet to come, go Fabio go !!!

With BMW likely to come into MotoGP they can drop the Indian race as there's no need to encourage Royal Enfield to join MotoGP

mikesbytes said:

With BMW likely to come into MotoGP they can drop the Indian race as there's no need to encourage Royal Enfield to join MotoGP

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Maybe a second UK round then, to give encouragement to Triumph. Would it be technically possible for them to create a 'triple'-ish V configuration with three cylinders front and one cylinder back so that it looks like a triple in photos?

(Not serious)

synn said:

Almost a guarantee now that they will field an inline 4.

It’s funny in a way, Dorna offered to sell them the GSX-RR IP and material at a throwaway price (With Suzuki’s approval), but they turned it down back then. Things have changed it seems…

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What if they bought Suzuki's 800cc grand prix data?

Would that really be relevant now though? That was Pre aero, Pre stock ECU etc.

#22 said:

Would that really be relevant now though? That was Pre aero, Pre stock ECU etc.

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The 1000cc engine data seems more relevant, but it also has issues.

I'm a layperson, but several opinion pieces have hinted that the V4 engines will not require a complete redesign. The bore center and the dimensional hardpoints of the engine can remain unchanged, while the internals are resized. The I4 engines, on the other hand, already suffer from a width disadvantage, and the engineers will need to claw back the 2.4cm created by the new 75mm bore regulations. If one of Suzuki's old engines is 75mm bore, maybe it could be of some use to BMW?

The big issue with the V4 theory is that the spec ECU or the MSMA agreements or something do not agree with narrow angle V4's. Honda chucked their narrow angle V4, and Suzuki ditched their V4 and the rumored VR4 when they returned to the premier class. We don't know the particulars of the ECU nor do we know much about the engine regulations for 2027, but for Suzuki's V-engine information to be useful, it seems like narrow angle V's will need to be back on the table. Is the MSMA really in the mood for ICE spending? Maybe they would rather waste money on ICE's than ride height devices?

I guess we'll find out at some point, if BMW actually join MotoGP.