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michaelm said:
Big fan of Binder, his seat should be just about the most secure in the premier class, for the reasons you and MDub gave.

I would back MM against him or pretty much anyone else though unless MM has declined, which the weekend’s events and his performance against other riders on that diabolical Honda suggest he hasn’t. Most evidence would suggest he is better as a rider anyway than my all time favourites Mick Doohan and Casey Stoner, so being better than him is a high bar.
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Hard to say if he was better than Mick and/Casey. I personally rate him, highly, possibly second only to the Marc. But one Jorge Martin has come along massively in only three seasons.

My top 5 riders in today's paddock.


Marc
Brad +- Fabio
Jorge
Prosecco

Next

Miguel
Marco
Jack
Luca
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Hard to say if he was better than Mick and/Casey. I personally rate him, highly, possibly second only to the Marc. But one Jorge Martin has come along massively in only three seasons.

My top 5 riders in today's paddock.


Marc
Brad +- Fabio
Jorge
Prosecco

Next

Miguel
Marco
Jack
Luca
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Hard to argue with that. Martin has really improved his consistency lately!
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Hard to say if he was better than Mick and/Casey. I personally rate him, highly, possibly second only to the Marc. But one Jorge Martin has come along massively in only three seasons.

My top 5 riders in today's paddock.


Marc
Brad +- Fabio
Jorge
Prosecco

Next

Miguel
Marco
Jack
Luca
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Great list. I agree with this. The crazy thing to me is last year I would have had Enea on this list in like thrid possibly second. I really hope he finds his form again.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Hard to say if he was better than Mick and/Casey. I personally rate him, highly, possibly second only to the Marc. But one Jorge Martin has come along massively in only three seasons.

My top 5 riders in today's paddock.


Marc
Brad +- Fabio
Jorge
Prosecco

Next

Miguel
Marco
Jack
Luca
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Wouldn’t argue with your list greatly particularly the top 5. I remain a bigger fan of Doohan, Stoner and probably Eddie Lawson than MM, but MM is by any measure right up there in the pantheon, probably top 2 or 3, and it is hard in my view to rate any current rider with him unless he has declined. Next season will be interesting in regard to him, if he is on a European bike and uncompetitive then he has declined and if still on a Honda after all the hooha that will be pretty much his choice and the consequences of his choice his problem.
 
michaelm said:
Wouldn’t argue with your list greatly particularly the top 5. I remain a bigger fan of Doohan, Stoner and probably Eddie Lawson than MM, but MM is by any measure right up there in the pantheon, probably top 2 or 3, and it is hard in my view to rate any current rider with him unless he has declined. Next season will be interesting in regard to him, if he is on a European bike and uncompetitive then he has declined and if still on a Honda after all the hooha that will be pretty much his choice and the consequences of his choice his problem.
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He had a clear advantage previously in being able to push the front of a motorcycle harder into a corner than anybody else and hold that sliding front end and motorcycle up and come out the other side.
It now appears much harder to do that with the extra load applied by the aero ..... Front end loss of traction now appears far more of a precipice that once over it is much harder (even for Marc) to come back from.

Hard to say he has declined if his dominance is gone if/when he gets on a Ducati. His big advantage has been removed by the load imposed by the aero and the greater difficulty to come back from the loss of front end traction.

I've been watching since the mid 80s. He remains the best I have seen. Dominated some very, very good riders. Yes the tyres have improved but open class bikes are heavier than they ever were. Nobody else regularly painted black lines on the track with the front tyre too.
To watch him withstand the fan and press based pressure from Rossi (who despite that nonsense was a good rider) and absolutely destroy him on a motorcycle was very satisfying to watch.
 
Saffa said:
Sliding the bike is the only thing you've noticed? Other than his rookie year, he has comprehensively beaten anyone else one a KTM. He is consistent and, as Dub said, he hardly ever crashes or make mistakes. I'll go one further though. I'm not so sure if Marc would beat him on a KTM. He could, but I don't think it's foregone conclusion.
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Wikipedia is great, but I'm not sure it grabs the attention like watching Brad bend his KTM into weird shapes for 45 minutes on race day.

Personally, I rate B Binder highly, but I am often disappointed by his general lack of impact on race weekend. Sure, the statistics are there, and he's definitely had some good scraps, but he's not exactly Schwantz harassing Lawson, Rainey and Gardener year after year and generally using his talent as a chaos machine to shape the competitive landscape. Kevin fell down a lot. Brad does not fall often--staying upright is required these days--but I keep waiting for Binder to make his mark on a season or championship.

Jack, for all of his underachievement this season, is a disruptive force, and he applies constant pressure to his competitors. If Brad could tear a page from Jack's book, I think Brad would be a more compelling and more successful rider. Finishing in 5th place is not something people remember. Factoring in the championship results by scrapping fiercely with the front runners is something people never forget.
 
warthog1 said:
He had a clear advantage previously in being able to push the front of a motorcycle harder into a corner than anybody else and hold that sliding front end and motorcycle up and come out the other side.
It now appears much harder to do that with the extra load applied by the aero ..... Front end loss of traction now appears far more of a precipice that once over it is much harder (even for Marc) to come back from.

Hard to say he has declined if his dominance is gone if/when he gets on a Ducati. His big advantage has been removed by the load imposed by the aero and the greater difficulty to come back from the loss of front end traction.

I've been watching since the mid 80s. He remains the best I have seen. Dominated some very, very good riders. Yes the tyres have improved but open class bikes are heavier than they ever were. Nobody else regularly painted black lines on the track with the front tyre too.
To watch him withstand the fan and press based pressure from Rossi (who despite that nonsense was a good rider) and absolutely destroy him on a motorcycle was very satisfying to watch.
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Agree with all of this and have also been watching since the mid 80s, basically since Kerry Packer started telecasting GP bike racing coinciding with when Wayne Gardner got going. Possibly true the current aero etc technology has taken away what MM used to particularly excel, and if so I fault the technology, but I still think they won't see anything but the back of his bike if he gets on an in any way competitive bike. Casey in his two title winning seasons was as good as anyone imo, but he had to really wind himself up to ride as he did and he couldn't sustain it as MM did for many more years.

Entirely agree about Rossi and MM, both about Rossi's quality as a rider and also admiration for how MM stood up to all that vilification and continued to triumph which is what won me over to fandom.
 
#22 said:
I'm hearing more talk about this, but likely just a fluff piece from Crash net.

Could the MotoGP rider replaced by Marc Marquez find a new opportunity at Honda?

It has already been suggested elsewhere that, if Marc leaves, his spot will be replaced by Zarco, with Lecuona getting the LCR seat. So I think the above is fanciful
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Rider who has failed to do anything of note on the best bike of the grid is gonna unlock his potential on the worst bike of the grid? Yeah I don't know what they're smoking either.
 
MichaelBolton said:
Rider who has failed to do anything of note on the best bike of the grid is gonna unlock his potential on the worst bike of the grid? Yeah I don't know what they're smoking either.
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Yeah he's gonna unlock all his destruction potential.

But they are hiring Zarco for the sake of development info. Probably at this point in time Zarco is taking as much pictures of Ducati garage as he can. He just bought 3 more smartphones with 1 TB cards each.
 
According to crashnet and a couple other sites Honda are calling everyone about a replacement for MM. I would assume that means Zarco stays at LCR because the only way they could get these guys they're supposedly calling would be on the factory team to break their existing contract.
 
mylexicon said:
If Brad could tear a page from Jack's book, I think Brad would be a more compelling and more successful rider.
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Yes, if Brad could qualify better...and on a consistent basis....get the great start, sliding into the top 3 at turn one, he probably wouldn't fade the way Jack often does after 3 laps.
 
michaelm said:
Agree with all of this and have also been watching since the mid 80s, basically since Kerry Packer started telecasting GP bike racing coinciding with when Wayne Gardner got going. Possibly true the current aero etc technology has taken away what MM used to particularly excel, and if so I fault the technology, but I still think they won't see anything but the back of his bike if he gets on an in any way competitive bike. Casey in his two title winning seasons was as good as anyone imo, but he had to really wind himself up to ride as he did and he couldn't sustain it as MM did for many more years.

Entirely agree about Rossi and MM, both about Rossi's quality as a rider and also admiration for how MM stood up to all that vilification and continued to triumph which is what won me over to fandom.
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He will be behind on set up and feel to start with. Hope to see him on a competitive machine and back up there next season though. :)
 
Paul55 said:
According to crashnet and a couple other sites Honda are calling everyone about a replacement for MM. I would assume that means Zarco stays at LCR because the only way they could get these guys they're supposedly calling would be on the factory team to break their existing contract.
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That's for 2025. Most riders are contracted for next yr so Zarco would most likely be in Repsol colours.
 

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