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Jarvis hints at the end of his stint

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MotoGP, Lin Jarvis: "Dallara, Marmorini and Bartolini, this is how Yamaha changes"

MotoGP: "To make Quartararo stay and find a satellite team we need a competitive bike, or to convince them that it will be. For me, one more year at the head of the team, I'm already preparing my exit"
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There are also many rumours about your future…


“This will be my 25th year as Managing Director of the factory team and I'm not getting any younger (laughs). In a moment I will have to make a change and I will have to prepare the transition, that is what I will do and I can say that this season I will maintain my role, then we will see. We are in a selection process to understand who can take my place."


What characteristics should your successor have?


“It will be a person who is in Yamaha, we are not looking externally. His nationality is not important, but his mentality, his experience."
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Perhaps Honda were building the bike that they thought would best suit M Marquez and now that he's gone they are building what they think the other riders want
 
mikesbytes said:
Perhaps Honda were building the bike that they thought would best suit M Marquez and now that he's gone they are building what they think the other riders want
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Interesting theory. But historically, Honda has always been chauvinistically engineer-oriented. I'm sure I've related this before, but the classic example of this was when Erv Kanemoto frustrated by Honda's insistence on outdated frame technology, went behind HRC's back and bought frames from a British firm, paying for them out of his and Freddie's pockets. When the bike suddenly became competitive - and Honda found out, they, despite Spencer's domination over the remainder of the season, HRC management were furious.

I remember when everybody opined that the 2007 "Pedrocycle" was built around Dani, but I always believed that HRC would have built that bike regardless and employed Puig to find a right-sized talent to suit the bike. A lot has been said about how HRC has been hobbled by generic electronics, but that was equally true for Suzuki, Yamaha and KTM - all of whom have won a ton of races and/or championships, with lesser riders during these many fallow years with Marquez.

Japanese companies as large as HRC are famous for air-tight guaranteed lifetime employment at all levels. Very hard to get fired from one of those firms, which doesn't always promote out-of-the-box thinking.
 
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Keshav said:
Interesting theory. But historically, Honda has always been chauvinistically engineer-oriented. I'm sure I've related this before, but the classic example of this was when Erv Kanemoto frustrated by Honda's insistence on outdated frame technology, went behind HRC's back and bought frames from a British firm, paying for them out of his and Freddie's pockets. When the bike suddenly became competitive - and Honda found out, they, despite Spencer's domination over the remainder of the season, HRC management were furious.

I remember when everybody opined that the 2007 "Pedrocycle" was built around Dani, but I always believed that HRC would have built that bike regardless and employed Puig to find a right-sized talent to suit the bike. A lot has been said about how HRC has been hobbled by generic electronics, but that was equally true for Suzuki, Yamaha and KTM - all of whom have won a ton of races and/or championships, with lesser riders during these many fallow years with Marquez.

Japanese companies as large as HRC are famous for air-tight guaranteed lifetime employment at all levels. Very hard to get fired from one of those firms, which doesn't always promote out-of-the-box thinking.
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The motor going back a number of years was designed to pair with the bespoke Honda software, and Nakomoto foresaw problems for Honda with the control ECU and even vaguely threatened Honda’s withdrawal from the series iirc,

Why it has taken this long to design/build a new engine I have no idea. Perhaps the bean counters considered the cost of a new engine was too much when combined with MM’s salary. MM has actually said perhaps disingenuously that him leaving would free up money for development.
 
So, how can the ecu and tires cost so much? HRC already had one and weren't allowed to use it? Its already built ffs! It just needs coding...

Tires are arguably the most important part of a bike...so make the inline four use the same one as a v4, sounds like a safety issue to me.
 
Day 1 test times:

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Marcquez had 2 technical issues in the morning. Raul Fernandez had a big highside at T11 and hurt his back but returned to action later in the day. Bagnaia had a spill on oil from the crash.
MM had a lowside at T15 towards the end of the day.

Also, we got a preview of the new Repsol Honda livery, with a smaller Repsol.
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Well, today maybe we had the first evidence that Stoner is the most talented rider ever in MotoGP history. After 7 years away from Ducati and 5 years out of action he jumped on a totally different Ducati from the one he had driven and immediately spotted the 1st place, in 2017, if I remember well. On the other side, Marquez is having some difficult with the Ducati, finding it strange to his style, naturally, and will need to work more to adapt to a rear-oriented Ducati compared to front-oriented Honda. I don't need to say much. That's it.
 
I'm a Marquez fan, and I won't blindly make excuses for him. BUT, he had a technical issue 4 corners after leaving the pits on his first run where the bike stopped. He then had another technical issue at some point in the morning, along with there being a red flag while the Fernandez crash was cleared up. He managed a good amount of laps but we have no idea what he was testing, how much fuel he had etc. All I'm saying is give him more than 1 day of a test to assume he is struggling to get to grips with a bike.

In other news, Bagnaia gave some interesting tidbits about the GP24

“The way they put the engine is different, the weight is different,” he said.

“What I prefer is the braking. It’s something I understood in Valencia.


“The acceleration and power delivery is different. It’s more nervous.

“We are taking care, we made a step in front. The best time today was with used tyres.

“Right now, I like it more for the braking. It asks me to brake more.

“The top speed is very similar. During the day we improved a lot. The wind increased so it was difficult to understand if we improved acceleration.”
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“The aero we will try tomorrow, the new fairing. It’s something important, it will take a lot of time.

“Today was about understanding the two bikes. Tomorrow is important for the aero.”
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Fabio unhappy with the Yamaha.

Quartararo said: “Faster at the moment and I’m happy because the engine is better than last year. But we’re still not using the full potential of the bike.

“The character is way too aggressive and we’re not using our full potential of our bike yet.

“Today, we worked a lot on the electronics to try and find the best way to use our engine.”


So does that mean, well four more days of pre-season testing will take place before the season-opener, but Quartararo says winning races is not in Yamaha’s immediate future.

“Clearly, for me to fight for the victory it’s not enough,” began the Frenchman. “It’s not enough but there is a big difference between fighting in the top ten or for the top five in a lot of races.

“So I think that now we are in a much better position than last year, but we are still not a winning bike.


"We are working on it and I will not say that we will arrive soon, but the way we are working in the team with Max [Bartolini] (technical director) and Marco [Nicotra] - new head of Aero at Yamaha - who is more into the aerodynamics, it is from black to white.

"This is something great for Yamaha."

Quartararo and Yamaha grew into the 2023 campaign and by the season's end were in positions to regularly fight for top five finishes.

Part of the improvements they made in 2023 compared to 2022 were to do with the engine, but it’s also the electronics that need work, according to Quartararo.

“Electronics is where we are years and years away,” said Quartararo. “This is something that we still have to improve and of course, a little bit of everything.


“When there is no grip, which is typical for Yamaha, then the bike has zero grip.

Alex [Rins] also felt the same. This is something we have to improve.

"When the grip is great then the bike has a lot of potential. But when it is low grip condition we are really on the back.

Although improvements still need to be made, the changes in approach have been significant and Quartararo admits this way of thinking needs to continue.

"For me I love it because in the Shakedown and it was supposed to give us potential. To be faster, let's say.


"But we had some technical issues and with Max, he said we won't give up and that we have to find a solution to make this item work. That's what we did.

"In the past, if it was just with the Japanese engineers it was maybe too risky so we stayed away.

"This is the mentality that we have to have and play with the limit."
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"Bye Bye Yamaha"
 
Mir appears upbeat, but realistic:

“We didn't improve the bike today, the base that we had at the shakedown. And I didn't feel comfortable,” he explained.


“Maybe we made the braking and the feeling with the front a bit worse today and that is not helping for the first two sectors. But then on the other hand, we are fast in sector 3.


“We are trying some things, [like] today on the seat, to see a little bit what is the optimum position. The handlebars, the footpegs.


“In general I feel not bad, better than last year. I'm able to ride a bit more comfortably, to close the handlebar a bit more.


“If you have a better feeling with the front you can close a bit more. This is a good signal.


"At the moment we are still missing some performance.


“Tomorrow we have less things to try fortunately and we will be focusing on the details that in the end makes you feel these last tenths of the new bike, that last limit you can reach on the new bike and to understand a bit more.”
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gui22a said:
Well, today maybe we had the first evidence that Stoner is the most talented rider ever in MotoGP history. After 7 years away from Ducati and 5 years out of action he jumped on a totally different Ducati from the one he had driven and immediately spotted the 1st place, in 2017, if I remember well. On the other side, Marquez is having some difficult with the Ducati, finding it strange to his style, naturally, and will need to work more to adapt to a rear-oriented Ducati compared to front-oriented Honda. I don't need to say much. That's it.
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Marquez interview is interesting. Because of the problems they had in the morning, they had very little time to try many things. It appears he is still making physical adjustments to the bike to suit his riding style. He also clarifies that his 'crash' was not a crash, but a technical problem.

Marc Marquez clarifies “misunderstanding” - “It was not a crash!”

“Today was a busy day, a strange day,” Marquez said. “We had, with the team, many issues.

“But the good thing is that the team reacted in a good way. They fixed everything.


“But everything that [could have happened], happened today. We were not able to work in a good way.

“In the last hour of the afternoon was when we did some laps in a row. We started to feel better with the bike.

“Most importantly, this was the first day of testing, and the team worked in a good way and fixed [the problems] in a very professional way.

“Today I worked a bit with the foot rest. It was the one that I felt most uncomfortable. There was a plan to work with the handlebars but there wasn’t time. We worked on the rear brake, maybe I can improve there.

“The front brake, also, we worked on a lot. It’s one of the points where I take the most care [with] the feeling.


“It’s understanding the way to ride. How I can adapt to the bike, how the bike can adapt to me.

“The bike is very different. In the end, for a rider, when you ride well in a circuit, it will be good for any bike.

“When you struggle - I struggle here in Malaysia in my history - the feeling is different.”

One of the key differences since Marquez swapped Honda for Ducati will be the ability to share data among eight bikes, many of whom are expected to fight at the front.

“To compare with other Ducatis? Some corners I am the same, some corners I am a bit slow,” Marquez said.


“Now, I need to adjust and understand what they are doing.

“You always look for quality laps but today I was not able to. It was the first rhythm. It is the first day, I have two more days to adapt myself to the bike.

“With Honda, the data was open. But to have more bikes…

“Today I didn’t compare. Just one lap with Jorge Martin, just to understand what he was doing because he was the fastest Ducati.

“Still, I was super far in some parts of the track.

“I started to work with the set-up and not worry about the others. I was riding with a standard Ducati set-up, I didn’t touch anything.

“Frankie Carchedi, my new technician, needs to understand me. And I need to understand Frankie too.”

Unlike Valencia where Marquez shone at the postseason test, Sepang is not a track that the eight-time world champion particularly excels at.

“Here, the riding style changes a lot,” Marquez said. “The way to open the gas, the way to use the lines, is very different.

“I was used to riding one way with Honda here. The way to ride a Ducati here, to take the maximum profit, is completely different.

“In the morning I was riding with a Honda style. The bike was shaking, struggling. In the afternoon I started to understand better.

“With Honda, you use a lot the front. With Ducati, you use the rear.

“I was used to riding with the front, there was a massive pick-up with Honda.”
 
gui22a said:
Well, today maybe we had the first evidence that Stoner is the most talented rider ever in MotoGP history. After 7 years away from Ducati and 5 years out of action he jumped on a totally different Ducati from the one he had driven and immediately spotted the 1st place, in 2017, if I remember well. On the other side, Marquez is having some difficult with the Ducati, finding it strange to his style, naturally, and will need to work more to adapt to a rear-oriented Ducati compared to front-oriented Honda. I don't need to say much. That's it.
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That may be but then it confirms that he is the biggest underachiever in the history of motorsports
 
#22 said:
I'm a Marquez fan, and I won't blindly make excuses for him. BUT, he had a technical issue 4 corners after leaving the pits on his first run where the bike stopped. He then had another technical issue at some point in the morning, along with there being a red flag while the Fernandez crash was cleared up. He managed a good amount of laps but we have no idea what he was testing, how much fuel he had etc. All I'm saying is give him more than 1 day of a test to assume he is struggling to get to grips with a bike.
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He is getting the Ben Spies treatment.
 
#22 said:
Marquez interview is interesting. Because of the problems they had in the morning, they had very little time to try many things. It appears he is still making physical adjustments to the bike to suit his riding style. He also clarifies that his 'crash' was not a crash, but a technical problem.
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Yeah I read his words. But that doesn't change much since himself admit he's struggling a bit to get to the grips with the Ducati. I'm gonna stick with my previous prediction for him this year. Some wins, nothing more than that. Any rider besides Stoner will take some time to adapt to a whole new bike. Many fans were thinking he would immediately destroy the field once riding the Ducati.

MdubSTYLIE said:
That may be but then it confirms that he is the biggest underachiever in the history of motorsports
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Sure. It makes sense. Only two WC in motogp for a guy like him is surely very few. But the guy has all that problem with lactose intolerance and whatever more. I just think he's a very lazy and unambitious guy. I have this impression about him.
 

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