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2024 Round 21 Valencian GP of Catalunya

MdubSTYLIE

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The battle to not be the biggest failure in motogp history is upon us. No matter who wins this season will be an epic failure for the loser. If Martin loses this points lead on the last weekend it would be nothing short of a disaster. Pecco losing the championship after being the 6th rider with 10 wins is a massive fail. 10 wins 8 dnf's won't get it done. Here are the numbers;

Martin Pecco
485 points 461
3 gp wins 10
7 sprint wins 6
7 poles 5
3 dnf's 8
 
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It's Martin's to lose, and I don't think he will, I think it will be good if he wins to be honest.

Next year may be a whole different story.
 
How is finishing 2nd in the championship considered a massive failure? The two championship contenders gave us some fantastic battles this season... The Ducati GP24 was by far the superior machine on the grid... Pecco ran this season pretty much they same way he did the last two seasons, Martin just ran a better season. So I do not see this as a massive failure.

If there is a massive failure to talk about in this years MotoGP championship, I think its KTM. With all the money and resources they committed to this season, the team as a whole took a massive step back.
 
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Hollywood said:
How is finishing 2nd in the championship considered a massive failure? The two championship contenders gave us some fantastic battles this season... The Ducati GP24 was by far the superior machine on the grid... Pecco ran this season pretty much they same way he did the last two seasons, Martin just ran a better season. So I do not see this as a massive failure.

If there is a massive failure to talk about in this years MotoGP championship, I think its KTM. With all the money and resources they committed to this season, the team as a whole took a massive step back.
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Being the 6th person ever to win 10 races in a season and the first to not win the title is a massive fail. Losing it to a satellite team makes it a bigger fail. Crashing 8 times in a season winning 10 while the winner has won 3 is embarrassing. Self inflicted crashes cost him the title. As much as he wants to blame Alex there is no other way to look at it.
 
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Massive failure to me means you fire everyone in the garage from the riders to the engineers / mechanics. I dont see it as that. Ducati and Bagnaia are going to finish with the most wins, I dont know how anyone can call finishing the season with the most wins a failure. Not to mention Martin is on the same bike, with the same engineers and data, Ducati still comes out the winner.
 
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Hollywood said:
Massive failure to me means you fire everyone in the garage from the riders to the engineers / mechanics. I dont see it as that. Ducati and Bagnaia are going to finish with the most wins, I dont know how anyone can call finishing the season with the most wins a failure. Not to mention Martin is on the same bike, with the same engineers and data, Ducati still comes out the winner.
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History won't remember that. They will remember that the factory team lost to their satellite team. That in itself is a fail. I give tons of credit to Ducati for allowing this to happen and not detuning Pramac's bikes. That shows their character. However winning 10 races (250 points) to 3(75 points) and losing the championship is a huge fail. This is not a massive fail for Ducati but a win/win. But I don't understand how it can be seen any other way to a 2 time gp champ. If he lost it because Jorge out rode him sure it wouldn't be an epic fail but to win that many races and dnf in nearly the same amount is crazy! Especially when the other guy won 3.
 
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Hollywood said:
Massive failure to me means you fire everyone in the garage from the riders to the engineers / mechanics.
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That might be what it means to you.

Having a world championship lineup for you, with only one obstacle, and not being able to pass that hurdle, is a big failure for something who is competing for world championships.

With Marc coming for the next couple of seasons, Quartararo, Acosta and who knows who else, from '27, this was Bagnaia's easiest attempt at a title, ever. Unless a certain diplopia resurfaces.
 
If Bagnaia looses the championship it will be due to the DNF's, which incidentally I predicted the winner would be the one with the least DNF's

Anyone done the maths? If Martin DNF's in the sprint with Bagnaia winning, where does Martin have to finish in the race if Bagnaia wins that one too?
 
mikesbytes said:
If Bagnaia looses the championship it will be due to the DNF's, which incidentally I predicted the winner would be the one with the least DNF's

Anyone done the maths? If Martin DNF's in the sprint with Bagnaia winning, where does Martin have to finish in the race if Bagnaia wins that one too?
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I think sprints are worth 15. So that would make the points 485-476. So if Bags won Martin would have to take 2nd.
 
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Sennas_Caress said:
That might be what it means to you.

Having a world championship lineup for you, with only one obstacle, and not being able to pass that hurdle, is a big failure for something who is competing for world championships.

With Marc coming for the next couple of seasons, Quartararo, Acosta and who knows who else, from '27, this was Bagnaia's easiest attempt at a title, ever. Unless a certain diplopia resurfaces.
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I see this as a Rosberg/Hamilton situation, both of whom likely also had the best equipment at that time.

If Bagnaia goes on to win 5 more titles after not winning this year it will be a minor blip which will still reflect considerable credit on Martin. If he never wins another then his career end rating will not be as high and his two titles will be more likely to be attributed to riding a superior bike, so win win for Ducati if not Ducati Corse.

He hasn’t lost yet, but I considered him fairly likely to win most of this year, and historically 3 titles has been the mark of greatness and probably makes you a top 10 rider all time. So the personal stakes are high for him.
 
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Anyone done the maths? If Martin DNF's in the sprint with Bagnaia winning, where does Martin have to finish in the race if Bagnaia wins that one too?
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The difference before the races - 24 points
Winning the Sprint - 12 points
A 12 difference in the main race is 1st / 4th or 2nd / 8th
It's easier for Bagnaia to win if Martin DNFs in the main race.
 
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Sennas_Caress said:
The difference before the races - 24 points
Winning the Sprint - 12 points
A 12 difference in the main race is 1st / 4th or 2nd / 8th
It's easier for Bagnaia to win if Martin DNFs in the main race.
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Opps I was off a bit. Ignore my maths. They ain't mathing. It would be 485-473. 12 point gap so third would get it done for Martin if he dnf'ed in the sprint.
 
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Yeh I'd prefer Martin to win the sprint to complete the world championship

Anyway whatever happens this weekend one team will be burning a suitcase of "world champion" T-shirts
 
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Keshav said:
The two riders are so close in talent and running identical machines. To lose a championship to your equal by a small margin, is nothing to be embarrassed about. What is it with sports fans with alway having to shame valiant competitors?
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Because its our job. Ok not job but hobby to break down the stats. Winning 10 races and not having the points lead is a disaster. Its not about embarrassing someone. Its about talking about the why and what is happening in motogp. Thats why we love sports. Because anything can happen and sometimes those happenings are embarrassing. Look at baseball for example. All the talk is the Yankees 5th inning meltdown. Someone dropped a wide open pass in football this weekend and the announcer said it was like Aaron Judge dropping the ball in the 5th inning. The fact of the matter is, no one has ever won 10 races in motogp and lost the championship. Thats a meltdown. Sure he may be losing the championship by a small margin but the why is the #8. 8 dnf's is crazy. If he wants to point out the one that cost him is Alex well its our job to point out the other 7.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Being the 6th person ever to win 10 races in a season and the first to not win the title is a massive fail. Losing it to a satellite team makes it a bigger fail. Crashing 8 times in a season winning 10 while the winner has won 3 is embarrassing. Self inflicted crashes cost him the title. As much as he wants to blame Alex there is no other way to look at it.
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I have long been an advocate for Bagnaia 'underperforming' given in each of his championship years, he has also had the record of number of DNF's. However. In the spirit of fairness, I will try and compare his ratio of wins to the number of races in a season with the other riders who have scored 10 wins, as we all know that now there are more races.

Bagnaia. 10 wins in 19 (feature) races so far = 52.6%
Marc Marquez (2019) - 12 wins in 18 races = 66.6%
Marc Marquez (2014) - 13 wins in 18 races = 72.2%
Casey Stoner (2007) - 10 wins in 18 races = 55.5%
Valentino Rossi (2001 & 2002) - 11 wins in 16 races = 68.8%
Mick Doohan (1997) - 12 wins in 15 races = 80%
Giacomo Agistoni (1970) - 10 wins in 11 races = 90.9%
Giacomo Agistoni (1969) - 10 wins in 12 races = 83.3%

So of those, he is considerable lower than all but Stoner in his 2007 season but then we all know he was performing miracles on that GP7.
 
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