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My post was intended to be somewhat tongue in cheek, but I could point that you guys don’t do irony, given that such terminology was widely applied to one Valentino Rossi for more than a few years. MM regularly makes saves nobody else can manage btw; sure he couldn’t do it without the modern MotoGP technology but some of those saves are ridiculous regardless.
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There is the evidence that he continues to come out of these crashes relatively uninjured. I personally think considerable luck is involved which cannot last, it is crazy he had that massive highside with the title already clinched while possibly operating with ulterior motives but he certainly at least bounces better than the likes of Dani Pedrosa. Youth, strength and intensive physical training probably do come into it as well as luck though.
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Jack Miller, who had found himself balked by Alex Rins on the same lap, had seen the incident from close up. "I ran on at turn one and saw Marc highside," the Pramac Ducati rider said. "I knew exactly what he’d done. He was d***ing around so much and the left side gets cold. It’s quite hard, the left side here and it got too cold and highsided him. Watching the replay it did not look pleasant because he wasn’t able to get any hands up. It was straight on the face so I hope he’s alright."
After review by the medical staff, he was assessed as having heavy bruising to his legs and knees, as well as pain and inflammation in both his shoulders, though more in his right shoulder than his left, the one he had surgery on. He was given painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs, and will be assessed again in the morning before the race.
I trust Jack's analysis more than Thefault's...
A truly talented crasher should have been able to half-gainer to a soft landing on a well-padded back, then barrel-rolled into a perfect speed-absorbing somersault sequence, culminating in standing with arms outstretched in a V and a giant MM grin... I'd give that a 10.
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Although I find the strategies for seeking a tow a bit distasteful, I'd point any of you toward a video of a velodrome pursuit as an example of the additional intrigue the cat and mouse dynamic can create.
Sure Marc got what he deserved, but I only feel that way because of my natural bias in wanting to see a rookie finally show Marc a clean pair of heels. Had the roles been reversed I would have thought Fabio was cunning but overconfident and put it down to inexperience. But I am self aware enough to know it's only because I'm rooting for the kid.
P.s. anyone who tries to argue Marc somehow intentionally minimised the potential injury that high side could have caused either has never seen a highside before, was not watching the live feed at full speed, or drunk.
Sure Marc got what he deserved, but I only feel that way because of my natural bias in wanting to see a rookie finally show Marc a clean pair of heels. Had the roles been reversed I would have thought Fabio was cunning but overconfident and put it down to inexperience. But I am self aware enough to know it's only because I'm rooting for the kid.
P.s. anyone who tries to argue Marc somehow intentionally minimised the potential injury that high side could have caused either has never seen a highside before, was not watching the live feed at full speed, or drunk.
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Not at all. I had to throw your panties out... too much brain-cheese must have leaked out yer vag.
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Not that they shouldn’t strongly back Quartararo as well, but Yamaha should have given Vinales full backing from the start.
There’s so many questions about this sort of stuff that will go unanswered but I have to wonder a few things.
Why would Yamaha favour a 40 year old man over the guy who might (I don’t think he will for the record) actually bring them a title? It makes no sense. It makes sense for Dorna but not for Yamaha. I’m just not sure how much machinery a rider helps sell for a manufacturer. If Rossi is getting somewhere around $10m from Yamaha how many bikes does he need to be directly responsible for selling before the $10m investment makes any return? Would better results for their team, say if they had Lorenzo and Viñales fighting for wins and the title would that offer less bike sales than having Rossi in current and previous form. Yes I know he finished 3rd in the championship last year but it was totally uninspiring and IMO was on the back of not pushing for wins and keeping the bike upright rather than taking any risks.
How much does Rossi really mean to Yamahas bottom line? I’m not sure if it’s even a drop in the bucket for any manufacturer to be aligned with any rider. Even Rossi. Rossi does mean a lot for to Dorna’s bottom line though.
So my question is, just how much are Dorna responsible for applying pressure to Yamaha for Rossi’s benefit? The rider is surely only important because they do the winning, on that basis I believe riders are only as irreplaceable as their form allows them to be.
Could it be loyalty? Doubtful, Rossi hasn’t been all that loyal to Yamaha.
I just can’t see any reason other than Dorna politics why Yamaha would continue to favour Rossi and his agenda for as long as they have. Jarvis devalued Lorenzos title in 2015 by going along with and all but agreeing with Rossi’s conspiracy.
Why? I don’t see why it makes sense for Yamaha. Dorna I completely see but not Yamaha.
And that’s my rant
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Texas
This forum alone is proof that Rossi (regardless of how he performs) is the most relevant rider on the grid. Forum threads should be dominated by Marquez or Quartararo, yet every single thread always ends up about Rossi. At this point, Rossi is MotoGP and Yamaha has no incentive to get rid of him.
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Rossi who famously did not seriously start to train until way into his 30s got away with many crashes and no bad injuries until the broken leg. Dovizioso has been racing as long as Rossi and had yet to suffer a really bad injury. Marquez conversely suffered a head injury in his Moto 2 days that nearly cost him his eyesight, and repeatedly damaged his shoulder in a relatively short period of time, which safely negates any theories of a superhuman capacity to avoid injury.
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Texas
If you say so.
It's not if I say so, everyone that participates on this forum can observe that every thread ends up being about Rossi. It's when people STOP talking about him that he loses his influence and Yamaha wouldn't want/need him. Rossi has been relatively quiet this season yet he remains the most talked about rider by a margin much greater than Marquez championship points advantage.
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I agree with Vudu, Rossi is the most relevant rider in the world, which is why I'm all up for him to remain in the championship until he's 60, embarrassing himself any possible way
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Firstly - not every thread ends up talking about Rossi.
Secondly - the threads that do involve Rossi, do so because you and a few other die-hard fans manage to drag the corpse of his former reputation into the conversation. His pertinency to the forum chatter is largely to do with his lack of relevance, and the service he could do for racing, by retiring and giving his seat to a younger, faster rider. Rossi's prime value is to Dorna because all the vacuous fans who are caught up in the whole cult of personality vortex that fill a lot of seats in the massive grandstands. The numbers however are not an index of his value as a racer. Yanni, Kenny G and many K-Pop boy bands fill stadiums too. Pol Pot and Stalin haven't had an press releases in decades and people talk about them and write books on them all the time. Doesn't mean they deserve a seat on a factory bike.
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Texas
Every thread does end up about Rossi and there are no die-hard participating here change all thread topics to Rossi. It's the same small group of people here that do not find anything other than Rossi interesting enough to talk about. You can go back and browse the threads on the first page to see who brings up Rossi into all the discussions... you'll notice it's not a Rossi fan.
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