2017 Gran Premio Red Bull de España

BarryMachine said:

Haha sucked in .... you actually believed that

Anyway ... surely it seems like rossi has been "estranged" since Argentina ...... my impression is that the other riders have had enough of rossi and his bitching.

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If/when Marquez takes out another rider... we'll see what the other riders have had enough of.

moto vudu said:

Only a couple weeks ago, MM used his bike to knock Rossi off track costing him points. Whatever Rossi says in a press conference isn't screwing over MM by taking championship points away from him. Thus far in the season, it's only been MM screwing over other riders by riding reckless in FP sessions and creating contact during races.

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I don’t recall MM calling for Rossi to be banned as a dangerous rider after Sepang 2015, nor Casey Stoner after Jerez 2011 and LS 2008, nor Gibernau after Jerez 2005 either. He has also bitched about Biaggi, Elias, etc, etc, basically anyone who has ever answered him in kind. As Marco Melandri actually said, he is your friend until you beat him.

michaelm said:

I don’t recall MM calling for Rossi to be banned as a dangerous rider after Sepang 2015, nor Casey Stoner after Jerez 2011 and LS 2008, nor Gibernau after Jerez 2005 either. He has also bitched about Biaggi, Elias, etc, etc, basically anyone who has ever answered him in kind. As Marco Melandri actually said, he is your friend until you beat him.

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You'd have to combine Sepang 2015, Jerez 2011, LS08, and Jerez '05 to equal MM Argentina '18. And that's not even taking MM's previous dangerous incidents into account.

moto vudu said:

You'd have to combine Sepang 2015, Jerez 2011, LS08, and Jerez '05 to equal MM Argentina '18. And that's not even taking MM's previous dangerous incidents into account.

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Because nobody bought it?

How do you explain why rossi has been minimal in the press since Argentina?

moto vudu said:

If/when Marquez takes out another rider... we'll see what the other riders have had enough of.

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We have had 5 and change seasons to see, in which time he has taken out Rossi once, as the result of a riding error, an incident which Rossi could have avoided as he has expected of other riders on numerous occasions, while Rossi has taken him out twice, once by an absolutely deliberate illegal move. The only other rider he has taken out is Pedrosa in the freak cutting the wire incident; I personally thought he was following Dani too closely but Dani himself seems to have accepted it as a freak occurrence.

pyeman said:

Yep,even his old mate Iannone is taking the piss and high fiveing Marquez now...

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Yeah that was a gem. Im wondering wtf synn knows about gp riders now .... he suggested rossi was going to get Iannone to take out Marc. ......

BarryMachine said:

Yeah that was a gem. Im wondering wtf synn knows about gp riders now .... he suggested rossi was going to get Iannone to take out Marc. ......

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I suggested that, but Iannone only wants to befriend Marc in hopes that Marc will stop preventing him from getting a tow in Q2.

FP1. Dovi proving hes the best Italian rider on a Ducati ever ..... which I guess makes him the best Italian rider ever.

Go Dovi!

moto vudu said:

You'd have to combine Sepang 2015, Jerez 2011, LS08, and Jerez '05 to equal MM Argentina '18. And that's not even taking MM's previous dangerous incidents into account.

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Absolute nonsense. LS08 would have been a high speed torpedo amidships had Stoner not taken much more drastic evasive action than would have sufficed from Rossi at Argentina, both MM at Sepang and Stoner at Jerez ended up on the ground on a live race track, Stoner as the result of a move from Rossi much more overambitious than MM’s at Argentina, and Sete was taken the whole way across the track by Rossi but managed to keep his bike upright when he ended up off the track, in an incident where Rossi had no prospect of making the corner without using Sete as a berm; the same applies to MM at Jerez 2013 of course but that hardly helps your case in regard to Rossi vs MM.

If you want to deal in would’ves/should’ves/could’ves and maybes, there is some body of opinion that Rossi took out MM deliberately in their first incident at Argentina in 2015.

The incident where Rossi takes a good look at where Marquez is and cuts across his line taking out his front wheel? An incident which Marquez believed to be intentional?

BarryMachine said:

Cloggin aint a race!

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Neither are Mexicans! Mexicans are not a race any more than Australians are. Ever heard any reputable anthropologist use the term "The Mexican Race"?
The peoples of Mexico are in their various iterations derived genetically from European Spanish, Meztizos, Amerindians and in some small part Africans.

All this contrived drama over alleged racism is ludicrous. Y'know my dad was a Polish Jew from Germany. People are always saying stuff about poles here, and you don't see me whining about it.

Keshav said:

Neither are Mexicans! Mexicans are not a race any more than Australians are. Ever heard any reputable anthropologist use the term "The Mexican Race"?
The peoples of Mexico are in their various iterations derived genetically from European Spanish, Meztizos, Amerindians and in some small part Africans.

All this contrived drama over alleged racism is ludicrous. Y'know my dad was a Polish Jew from Germany. People are always saying stuff about poles here, and you don't see me whining about it.

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What about the Baja 1000? Isnt that a mexican race?

Cal is the greatest british rider ever. Is what Cal will be thinking atm. .... at least until FP3. Just keep it together this time Cal is all Id be asking.

Keshav said:

Neither are Mexicans! Mexicans are not a race any more than Australians are. Ever heard any reputable anthropologist use the term "The Mexican Race"?
The peoples of Mexico are in their various iterations derived genetically from European Spanish, Meztizos, Amerindians and in some small part Africans.

All this contrived drama over alleged racism is ludicrous. Y'know my dad was a Polish Jew from Germany. People are always saying stuff about poles here, and you don't see me whining about it.

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Kesh unfortunately there are many people who self-identify as Mexican regardless of what you wrote. Barry's post was in horrifically poor taste and he had to know Jum would take offense to it.

Just because you don't whine about people saying things about Polish people doesn't make it any less of a big deal that he posted that.

MM with another crash in FP2 heading into Dry Sack. Guess he knows where the limit is. Still think he is the odds on favorite to win the race since he was keeping pace with the top times on used medium tires. As always it's his race to lose.

Scott Redding was abysmal in FP2. Maybe they should do an in-season switch because while I defended Redding in the past, it's clear he doesn't have what it takes to be on a GP machine. He should go off to WSBK.

Zarco was looking good on the soft/soft combo, but making that combination last for a full race I don't see it happening.

Cuntslow tops FP2 and is popping wheelies like he just won the race. Usual ........ from Cal.

Pedrosa looked good, but don't know how that wrist is going to hold up again. It's been 2 weeks so hopefully there's been enough improvement that he won't be in agonizing pain during the race.

The factory M1's looked okay, but nothing special. Not convinced those bikes have been sorted out yet.

JPSLotus said:

Kesh unfortunately there are many people who self-identify as Mexican regardless of what you wrote. Barry's post was in horrifically poor taste and he had to know Jum would take offense to it.

Just because you don't whine about people saying things about Polish people doesn't make it any less of a big deal that he posted that.

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There aren’t really a significant number of Mexicans in Australia to be prejudiced against, and given Barry’s declared habits on this forum I suspect he has never been to the USA, but obviously if you have any knowledge of the USA it is a huge issue there and in very poor taste in that context as you say.

Keshav said:

Neither are Mexicans! Mexicans are not a race any more than Australians are. Ever heard any reputable anthropologist use the term "The Mexican Race"?
The peoples of Mexico are in their various iterations derived genetically from European Spanish, Meztizos, Amerindians and in some small part Africans.

All this contrived drama over alleged racism is ludicrous. Y'know my dad was a Polish Jew from Germany. People are always saying stuff about poles here, and you don't see me whining about it.

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You've continued to sink along with Barry. Your rationalization here is reminiscent of common racist tactics. Mexicans are not a races as much as Jews are neither a race, yet they were declared one and labeled "inferior" for an expressed purpose. Even our own government declared Jews a race, to protect them, though the Jewish community protested such a label. Incidentally, our current president, which I'm sure you're in agreement, expressed derogatory sentiments towards Mexicans, and has been criticised for engaging in 'racism'. Much so to score political points. Have you suspended your political views only to score political points here, to provoke me in the lowest form? Conversely I wouldn't expect Barry to mock a member here (if there ever was one with views different to his own) of Aboriginal ancestry as I would hope his compatriots would roundly call him out. You've met me Kesh, and for whatever reason Barry has aligned himself with you, now both of you are engaging in mocking my ancestry of being a dark Mexican. You've employed a racial slur towards this affect, regardless of your plausible deniability, even adding a picture in a subtle way for others to evade detection. Now Barry is fully engaged in it. If Jews are not a race and mocking them is considered racism, how is this different, given yours and Barry's references are specifically towards my appearance?

Your defense here betrays your sentiments. Ask your friends in the barber shop you supposedly frequent if when the president referred to Mexicans as "rapists and murderers" was he engaging in racism. You obviously don't feel it, but when you have a concerted effort to villainize by appearance, particularly you saying "Mexican monkey" in referring to skin color (given Mexicans are many shades, from white to dark like me) it becomes abundantly clear what your sentiments are and your purpose for saying it. Combine it with your rationalization above brings this reality into further clarity.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

How about we just get back to the racing rather than the bickering guys.

It's a great season shaping up.

michaelm said:

There aren’t really a significant number of Mexicans in Australia to be prejudiced against, and given Barry’s declared habits on this forum I suspect he has never been to the USA, but obviously if you have any knowledge of the USA it is a huge issue there and in very poor taste in that context as you say.

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That last sentence sums it up very well. Barry through his own ignorance posts something highly inflammatory and acts like it is no big deal. It is a big deal because there is a lot of racism in the USA towards Mexicans, and a good deal of it is fostered by our current ..... President who thinks it's acceptable to make unfounded racist statements to appeal to his ..... fanbase.

Hmmm making unfounded statements to appeal to his ..... fanbase...sounds like a certain MotoGP rider when one stops to think about it.

Oh ... is that what it took to have you act in a semi mature manner.
No more idiotic childish names such as "kancer" and " .....".