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Owned.What I say is that Rossi -- however famous rich and powerful he may have become -- is just and individual, a rider who puts his ... on the line every weekend like any other rider. As such it's ridiculous to single him out as the manipulator and spoiler of an entire world series, when much more powerful players are busy there and daily at work with all available means toward their own goals -- and when the most powerful among these players happens to have little love lost on Vale Rossi since 2003.
Now, the fact that an individual rider exerts his earned power and influence to get the best bike or the best tires or the best whatever goes without saying, and I do not know any competitive rider who wouldn't.
Actually, he (no doubt driven by pride and even hubris) gave up the best bike (or one of the best) not once but twice, succeeding the first time and failing the second; still he tried, and there are not many other champions who did that.
Now, that obviously doesn't fit with the collective-self-indulging narrative current in this forum, of a rider busy only at securing fair and unfair advantages for himself, does it. If that was his main preoccupation, he certainly would never have left mama Honda, no? Unthinkable.
Regarding 2015 you know I condemned him when he pushed Marquez out, and didn't support him going public with accusations that cannot be proved. But I see that differently from you and Jums: there Rossi was simply cracking under pressure, rather than trying to influence or mastermind anybody. He simply couldn't avoid doing those two silly things, and it would have been much better for him had he avoided both of them.
Owned.
In what way?, other than you agreeing with his version of the events of the late 2015 season, events the nature of which remain unprovable as J4rn0 himself says.
I agree and have consistently said myself Rossi in general has had no more advantages than riders of similar stature before him such as Mick Doohan, and with which I have no problem; I argued at the time he should be allowed to switch to the Bridgestones. My gripe is with Ducati no longer being provided with or allowed to develop a tyre which suited their bike, particularly if this occurred as early as 2008. As I have also previously said I am unaware of any proof of this occurring in 2008, and if it did Dorna rather than Rossi was the likely perpetrator.
As I have also said, my main gripe with Rossi is him using the ..... element among his fandom and his influence in the media as a weapon against his rivals, which he continues to do currently by tacitly encouraging the booing of those rivals; he also continues to regurgitate his petulant conspiracy theories in regard to last year's championship.
How is Rossi encouraging the booing of his rivals?
I did say tacitly. By continuing to put forward his unprovable version of the events of late season 2015 quite frequently in press conferences and interviews in this new season. There was also reportedly an initiative from a British journalist which he dismissed, and a quote from Jorge on on gpone concerning the booing, which JL himself regards to being similar to what occurs at soccer games and is not complaining about too much himself; the Jorge quote is in one of the other articles in the link about some riders and bikes being stranded in Argentina after the recent race.
He can have whatever view he likes obviously, although I don't believe he is correct and more particularly I don't believe he has any proof, which is my problem with him continuing to promulgate that view in what is a new season which his rivals are getting on with, unprompted at times from what I have seen, and in full awareness of the attitude of the more fanatical element among his fans, among whom I had not assigned you. If you think a soccer hopligan mentality belongs with MotoGP in which the competitors are actually risking their lives then I guess we have different views.So you want Rossi to change his opinion on the events of 2015 in hopes that will stop some of his fans from booing rivals?
This is funny. I don't think you're so stupid as to not be able to make the connection why the booing exist, therefore you're obviously attempting (quite poorly) a debate tactic.How is Rossi encouraging the booing of his rivals?
He can have whatever view he likes obviously, although I don't believe he is correct and more particularly I don't believe he has any proof, which is my problem with him continuing to promulgate that view in what is a new season which his rivals are getting on with, unprompted at times from what I have seen, and in full awareness of the attitude of the more fanatical element among his fans, among whom I had not assigned you. If you think a soccer hopligan mentality belongs with MotoGP in which the competitors are actually risking their lives then I guess we have different views.
I referred you to the link to JL, and someone I think on David Emmett's site referred to the British journalist who sought an end to the booing and was given the brush-off by the Tavullia Titan.
This is funny. I don't think you're so stupid as to not be able to make the connection why the booing exist, therefore you're obviously attempting (quite poorly) a debate tactic.
Rossi IS the reason the fans are booing Marc & Jorge! You're taking the J4rn0 approach here to skirt the obvious. What are you gonna ask next, 'please show me where Rossi told fans to boo?'
Rossi vilified these two rivals by making baseless chickenshit McCarthyist accusations which his fans eat up like religious minions, and took Rossi's lead to echo Valentino's (that apostrophe means possession) displeasure.
Rossi: those to guys are boo worthy.
Rossi minions: hey look, there they are, BOO.
Confusing?
What if I told you two that Rossi fanatics boo'd his rivals even before 2015? Rossi's version of the events of 2015 fanned the flames a bit, but there was already plenty of dislike for MM and JL.
Stoner got booed because Rossi vilified him. Marquez and Lorenzo are getting booed because Rossi vilified them.
Common denominator? Rossi.
So Rossi’s version of things "fanned the flames a bit"? Rossi started the FIRE!
Yes, and I also saw him win at Laguna, Austin, and Indy for good measure. Never crossed my mind to boo him at the podium. And...I don't recall others booing him either UNTIL Rossi declared a fatwa against him.Early 2015 you were on this forum calling MM "Murder Mac" and it had NOTHING to do with Rossi vilifying him.
Yes, and I also saw him win at Laguna, Austin, and Indy for good measure. Never crossed my mind to boo him at the podium. And...I don't recall others booing him either UNTIL Rossi declared a fatwa against him.
Who are you trying to convince the booing hasn't initiated precisely by Rossi?
Yes, and I also saw him win at Laguna, Austin, and Indy for good measure. Never crossed my mind to boo him at the podium. And...I don't recall others booing him either UNTIL Rossi declared a fatwa against him.
Who are you trying to convince the booing wasn't initiated precisely by Rossi?
Buddy, this isn't a stick and ball sport. I know about booing the opposing team, I grew up with baseball. It was one of the best parts of going to the ball park, jeering, mocking, and taunting players. Sitting over the dugout of the visiting team was the best. I always enjoyed listening to the creative ridicules of other fans.Some fans of athletes and teams will boo opponents... period. Remember NBA games in the 90's when fans would boo the home team if they were playing the Bulls. Did Jordan initiate the booing? He often talked trash to the other team!
I do think Rossi encourages that element among his fans, and so do MM and JL.Some fans of athletes and teams will boo opponents... period. Remember NBA games in the 90's when fans would boo the home team if they were playing the Bulls. Did Jordan initiate the booing? He often talked trash to the other team!
I referred you to the link to JL, and someone I think on David Emmett's site referred to the British journalist who sought an end to the booing and was given the brush-off by the Tavullia Titan.