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WSuperbike faster than PrototypeGP

Dovi did 2 laps according to Crash, he then had a neck issue and so abandoned the rest of the test.



The WSBKs beat the GP prototypes because of the riders.

Yea, because we know for sure Rossi, Lorenzo, and Pedrosa on the Ducati would have made up 2 seconds instantly...not...the Ducati is still a career killer!
 
Ducati doesnt kill careers, see Stoner, Rossi and the most mediocre of them all Nicky. Though it wasnt Rossi or Stoner riding the bike at this test, it was Nicky got beat on a GP bike by WSBK bikes....

Rider not bike...IMO...
 
T'would be interesting to find a comparison of WSBK times v MotoGP times at tracks they share.

Anyone know of one?



A lap time comparison is useless unless its on the same day, meaning same exact conditions. Well, not uselss, but not good enough to draw any major conclusions.





about this test,



embarrassing, thats about it, yes i know lav. was on qualifiers but still
 
Ducati doesnt kill careers, see Stoner, Rossi and the most mediocre of them all Nicky. Though it wasnt Rossi or Stoner riding the bike at this test, it was Nicky got beat on a GP bike by WSBK bikes....

Rider not bike...IMO...



disagree, IMO rossi would not have made up a .7 second gap. Bike not rider. Nicky was always relatively close in lap times at tests
 
Ok, so your saying Rossi would have easily been faster than Hayden?



Migs knows hes full of ..... Hes just fishing as usual. Rossi got beat by Abraham and other nobody CRTs in an actual race. Yes, a race, where one would be motivated to do well, in VR's case, given great loot to perform at his best, not like a test where stuff is being checked out. For two years we learned that VR's talent as the Goat is overrated to the Nth degree, despite boppers and "experts" refusal to accept this undeniable truth. The lesson is NOT that Rossi is a .... rider (though I would make the case at some point VR had given up in favor of looking toward his bailed out future), but rather that parity is the driver of results! I don't doubt Lorenzo would have had difficulty on a DuCRT, especially Pedro who I believe would have performed much worse than VR, Abraham and Barbera (because of the handling characteristics needing the bike to be muscled, and Pedros is rather small). Rider talent is much closer than we are led to believe because of the major disparity in GP machines.



The point of this thread however, is that despite all the money spent in developing a prototype, it should be embarrassing to the series to get beat by a "production" based model. I mean, even the CRTs theoretically should be beating Wsbks. And because of this, Wsbk will be greatly reduced in performance to give us the ........ illusion that GP remains the fastest an best of the motorcycle racing world.
 
Migs knows hes full of ..... Hes just fishing as usual. Rossi got beat by Abraham and other nobody CRTs in an actual race. Yes, a race, where one would be motivated to do well, in VR's case, given great loot to perform at his best, not like a test where stuff is being checked out. For two years we learned that VR's talent as the Goat is overrated to the Nth degree, despite boppers and "experts" refusal to accept this undeniable truth. The lesson is NOT that Rossi is a .... rider (though I would make the case at some point VR had given up in favor of looking toward his bailed out future), but rather that parity is the driver of results! I don't doubt Lorenzo would have had difficulty on a DuCRT, especially Pedro who I believe would have performed much worse than VR, Abraham and Barbera (because of the handling characteristics needing the bike to be muscled, and Pedros is rather small). Rider talent is much closer than we are led to believe because of the major disparity in GP machines.



The point of this thread however, is that despite all the money spent in developing a prototype, it should be embarrassing to the series to get beat by a "production" based model. I mean, even the CRTs theoretically should be beating Wsbks. And because of this, Wsbk will be greatly reduced in performance to give us the ........ illusion that GP remains the fastest an best of the motorcycle racing world.



+1
 
Migs knows hes full of ..... Hes just fishing as usual. Rossi got beat by Abraham and other nobody CRTs in an actual race. Yes, a race, where one would be motivated to do well, in VR's case, given great loot to perform at his best, not like a test where stuff is being checked out. For two years we learned that VR's talent as the Goat is overrated to the Nth degree, despite boppers and "experts" refusal to accept this undeniable truth. The lesson is NOT that Rossi is a .... rider (though I would make the case at some point VR had given up in favor of looking toward his bailed out future), but rather that parity is the driver of results! I don't doubt Lorenzo would have had difficulty on a DuCRT, especially Pedro who I believe would have performed much worse than VR, Abraham and Barbera (because of the handling characteristics needing the bike to be muscled, and Pedros is rather small). Rider talent is much closer than we are led to believe because of the major disparity in GP machines.



The point of this thread however, is that despite all the money spent in developing a prototype, it should be embarrassing to the series to get beat by a "production" based model. I mean, even the CRTs theoretically should be beating Wsbks. And because of this, Wsbk will be greatly reduced in performance to give us the ........ illusion that GP remains the fastest an best of the motorcycle racing world.



I think this is an excellent and balanced post, I can't really disagree with anything. My question is, and I'm serious...



How much money goes into developing a street bike? How much does/has Honda put into developing the Fireblade and then developing special wsbk parts for it (Honda or whoever is supplying go fast bits). I wonder how that stacks up vs the cost of an RC213V? I'm actually quite curious. Anybody have any idea?
 
I'm with green eggs and ham on this one - no apologists, a GP bike is allowed to be much lighter and without force fed off the shelf electronics they should be able to dial the power into the weight advantage for a huge overall advantage.



That a WSBK, a complete porker compared to a GP bike goes faster is a disgrace. I have been on this bandwagon for years, Motogp has the problem of light fast and effective road bikes only a bees .... away from them in capability. I am chuffed for Laverty who I really dig and Aprilia who I really dig.



Did I mention that my next bike will be an Aprilia? Pieces of 2 wheeled art. (But not as nice as Anna - I'm still stalking Anna, this may sound really really gay but I'd lick your tank
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Yeah, Aprillias are beautiful as with Ducati. They have all of the passion the Japanese seem to lack.



You're too kind !! Some more stalking info. Anna underwent some minor surgery yesterday, a little bit of bracing.
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The point of this thread however, is that despite all the money spent in developing a prototype, it should be embarrassing to the series to get beat by a "production" based model. I mean, even the CRTs theoretically should be beating Wsbks. And because of this, Wsbk will be greatly reduced in performance to give us the ........ illusion that GP remains the fastest an best of the motorcycle racing world.



Aren't specialization and inefficiency indelible characteristics of prototyping? The 500s and 750s were comparable in the late-90s.



If a production bike needs more power, they can raise displacement and fuel capacity or utilize forced induction. If they want more grip, they can fit wider tires. Production bikes have no minimum weight limit.



The problem is that the MSMA impose a level of specialization and inefficiency on MotoGP that is completely unsustainable. I don't want to dumb the sport down for the MSMA, but the reality is that teams need more options. I don't particularly like the new 2-teir format proposed for 2014, but the purpose of Dorna's new formula is easy to understand.
 
Yeah, Aprillias are beautiful as with Ducati. They have all of the passion the Japanese seem to lack.



You're too kind !! Some more stalking info. Anna underwent some minor surgery yesterday, a little bit of bracing.
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Anna is a bloody gorgeous bike mate, sure I've told you before.



Just out of interest, why did you go for that colour scheme? It looks so bloody good, am sure most o us would have gone for red an silver, the obvious colour scheme. But that really works



There is just something about Hondas of that vintage. (Ok I admit it, I'm a Honda man, there I have said it) I used to have an old XL 250 Motosport and I loved it to bits. Just wasn't big enough to be practical, but it was a wee gem, and great fun. If the lottery comes up, I'm buying one of the XRV650 Africa Twins that Hrc built for the marathon class in the Dakar, and a CR250 Red Rocket and a TL250, and a CB1100r and an RC30 and, hey, you get the picture!
 
Aren't specialization and inefficiency indelible characteristics of prototyping? The 500s and 750s were comparable in the late-90s.



If a production bike needs more power, they can raise displacement and fuel capacity or utilize forced induction. If they want more grip, they can fit wider tires. Production bikes have no minimum weight limit.



The problem is that the MSMA impose a level of specialization and inefficiency on MotoGP that is completely unsustainable. I don't want to dumb the sport down for the MSMA, but the reality is that teams need more options. I don't particularly like the new 2-teir format proposed for 2014, but the purpose of Dorna's new formula is easy to understand.



Lex i didnt want to join in on the you talk .... thread but my dear boy before you insult my inteligence again by saying you dont know whats going on and i have this agenda you need to have a look at your constant crap,(The 500s and 750s were comparable in the late-90s) 750 superbikes were no match for 500 2ts and your vision of prototyping is nothing like a moto gp prototype,they are a constant development of an idea sown many years ago and to be honest you are a waist of breath to debate with..



Edit. in fact where do you get your (facts) from as ive just had a lex moment and looked at google and even they disagree,wow fair play to you.
 
T'would be interesting to find a comparison of WSBK times v MotoGP times at tracks they share.

Anyone know of one?
We did it here in a thread and Kropo may have it on his site I think. The fastest WSBKs were faster than the slowest GP bikes during quali but the race lap times showed a different story with wsbk being off the pace. WSBKs also go through multiple engines through a weekend so it isn't surprising that the CRT bikes are a little slower than WSBKs.
 
Some semblance of order restored



Pos No. Rider Bike Series Time Diff Previous 1 69 Nicky Hayden Ducati MotoGP 1:40.090 2 33 Marco Melandri BMW WSBK 1:40.826 0.736 0.736 3 29 Andrea Iannone Ducati MotoGP 1:40.989 0.899 0.163 4 51 Michele Pirro Ducati MotoGP 1:41.265 1.175 0.276 5 7 Carlos Checa Ducati WSBK 1:41.840 1.750 0.575 6 7 Hiroshi Aoyama FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:41.975 1.885 0.135 7 8 Hector Barbera FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:42.507 2.417 0.532 8 19 Chaz Davies BMW WSBK 1:42.716 2.626 0.209 9 86 Ayrton Badovini Ducati WSBK 1:44.529 4.439 1.813
 
Honor, of sorts, sorta restored...



So Melandri Dovizioso didn't do any laps? Sore shoulders, pinched necks, what other maladies will the Ducati induce?
 
Well, we have learned that DuCRT is good enough to compete in WSBK.
 
Anna is a bloody gorgeous bike mate, sure I've told you before.



Just out of interest, why did you go for that colour scheme? It looks so bloody good, am sure most o us would have gone for red an silver, the obvious colour scheme. But that really works



There is just something about Hondas of that vintage. (Ok I admit it, I'm a Honda man, there I have said it) I used to have an old XL 250 Motosport and I loved it to bits. Just wasn't big enough to be practical, but it was a wee gem, and great fun. If the lottery comes up, I'm buying one of the XRV650 Africa Twins that Hrc built for the marathon class in the Dakar, and a CR250 Red Rocket and a TL250, and a CB1100r and an RC30 and, hey, you get the picture!



Thanks man!



Her colour scheme is a combination of :

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and:

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Funny, no Honda influence at all.



And yeah, if I ever hit the loto an RC30 is right up there
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Haha. Cue up the apologists. Hahaha, oh, the turns are too small for GP bikes bla bla bla. Making a case for why Wsbk outperforms a GP prototype and finding some scapegoat. Would u guys say this ........ if it were Yamaha or Honda factory getting spanked by a "production" derived superbike? I'd hope u say no, but judging from ur apology, i wont bank on it. So much for GP supposing to be the bes and fastest, eh.



I have some more reasons i can propose why superbikes out performed the GP "prototype that u can use: 1. The wind would suddenly shift and blow on the backs of superbikes, but .... for the GPs as a headwind. 2. Dark clouds followed the prototypes around, reducing the track temp close to freezing, but only sunshine shown on the superbikes. 3. GP riders were forced to lap with one eye closed while superbike riders were given meth (or that Westy nasal spray) every time they stopped to pit.





All sound like valid excuses to me.
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Ducati doesnt kill careers, see Stoner, Rossi and the most mediocre of them all Nicky. Though it wasnt Rossi or Stoner riding the bike at this test, it was Nicky got beat on a GP bike by WSBK bikes....

Rider not bike...IMO...



How's the trolling?



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What a shame to ART - CRT- derive from Aprilia WSBK bike supposed to have a better chassis/frame and come with Carbon Brake is slower than Aprilia Superbike....Same goes to FTR-Kawasaki, slower than Kawasaki Superbike. Dorna should have allowed those superbike to joint MotoGP race with changes to Carbon Brake and tire..



Superbikes can use unlimited engines...
 

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