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A few thoughts... Goodbye Wsbk, it was nice knowing you. Dorna will not stand for this. Oh, its not because they care about DucatiGP fortunes, anymore; but rather, because its still considered a "prototype" machine, I guess. Well, at least as prototype as a CRT, and about as good. Who's bright idea was it to have a private test of actual Wsbks and DuCRTs on the same track on the same day? How embarrassing. Oh, and it appears Ducati is already a 'pain in the neck' for Dovi.



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Bad situation for prototype GP bikes, but Jerez is a good track for SBKs to compete. Jerez is not a horsepower track, and the Pirelli tires are good for hot laps compared to Bridgestones, but the Pirellis don't often last for the entirety of a WSBK race (shorter than a GP race).



Honestly, though, WSBK needs to be changed. Few countries have circuits to handle production bikes with that kind of speed and cornering performance, and the cost of modifications is out of control. The SBK Commission should not have abandoned the 750cc/1000cc formula, and I hope they reduce SBK capacity to 800cc in the near future. The 1000cc bikes can become exotic GP replicas.



The scariest part of this test, imo, is the performance of the 1199 Panigale. The new Duc has not showed anything in WSBK trim.
 
mylexicon said:
Bad situation for prototype GP bikes, but Jerez is a good track for SBKs to compete. Jerez is not a horsepower track, and the Pirelli tires are good for hot laps compared to Bridgestones, but the Pirellis don't often last for the entirety of a WSBK race (shorter than a GP race).



Honestly, though, WSBK needs to be changed. Few countries have circuits to handle production bikes with that kind of speed and cornering performance, and the cost of modifications is out of control. The SBK Commission should not have abandoned the 750cc/1000cc formula, and I hope they reduce SBK capacity to 800cc in the near future. The 1000cc bikes can become exotic GP replicas.



The scariest part of this test, imo, is the performance of the 1199 Panigale. The new Duc has not showed anything in WSBK trim.
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I just hope no one was surprised by that, that layout didn't work in GP and it isn't going to magically start working now.
 
hawkdriver said:
I just hope no one was surprised by that, that layout didn't work in GP and it isn't going to magically start working now.
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+1 and some more



Interesting the Aprilia is allowed to use motogp as a test bed for its WSBK effort. That will be one of the things that stops once the true outcome (not intention) of CRT is.



Poor Dovi at 1:48, as said here before he wont get a factory bike after this. This is his stepping stone back to moto2 or WSBK.





Lex, the 750/1000 formula died with a little gem from Honda called the CBR900RR - WSBK is dictated by the market - you of all people must respect that!
 
Haha. Cue up the apologists. Hahaha, oh, the turns are too small for GP bikes bla bla bla. Making a case for why Wsbk outperforms a GP prototype and finding some scapegoat. Would u guys say this ........ if it were Yamaha or Honda factory getting spanked by a "production" derived superbike? I'd hope u say no, but judging from ur apology, i wont bank on it. So much for GP supposing to be the bes and fastest, eh.



I have some more reasons i can propose why superbikes out performed the GP "prototype that u can use: 1. The wind would suddenly shift and blow on the backs of superbikes, but .... for the GPs as a headwind. 2. Dark clouds followed the prototypes around, reducing the track temp close to freezing, but only sunshine shown on the superbikes. 3. GP riders were forced to lap with one eye closed while superbike riders were given meth (or that Westy nasal spray) every time they stopped to pit.
 
And another thing. Prototype means just that, prototype. It doesn't necessarily mean fastest. Not all prototypes are a success. Look and the the grand daddy of GP prototypes, the NR500. It was as innovative as you get. It was also a hunk of .... that never earned a GP point.
 
Look for WSBK to suddenly adopt a 'New and Improved' tire... all in the name of safety, I'm sure.
 
T'would be interesting to find a comparison of WSBK times v MotoGP times at tracks they share.

Anyone know of one?
 
Didn't Hislop (famous grumpy Scot) lap Donny faster than Doohan back in the 90s on wsbk bike?
 
Geonerd said:
Look for WSBK to suddenly adopt a 'New and Improved' tire... all in the name of safety, I'm sure.
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Pirelli is already planning to stop supplying the control tire. If SBK uses Pirelli tires comparable to the Bridgestone GP tire, an SBK chassis basically needs to be modified into a MotoGP chassis. It's a waste of money, and it was a somewhat absurd situation conjured up by a couple of Italians who didn't want to play second fiddle to MotoGP.



As long as Dorna doesn't do something controversial with the tires (e.g. reinstate the original 1000cc treaded tire rules), WSBK will be fine.
 
Andy Roo said:
Poor Dovi at 1:48, as said here before he wont get a factory bike after this. This is his stepping stone back to moto2 or WSBK.
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Dovi had to abandon testing due to some sort of neck issue. Don't know how many laps he did. Still a ...... display by Duc (MotoGP wise), but that should be taken into consideration when judging Dovi.
 
Dovi did 2 laps according to Crash, he then had a neck issue and so abandoned the rest of the test.



The WSBKs beat the GP prototypes because of the riders.
 
bluegreen said:
Wsbk's were faster than Ducati.







At a go-cart track....
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I'm with green eggs and ham on this one - no apologists, a GP bike is allowed to be much lighter and without force fed off the shelf electronics they should be able to dial the power into the weight advantage for a huge overall advantage.



That a WSBK, a complete porker compared to a GP bike goes faster is a disgrace. I have been on this bandwagon for years, Motogp has the problem of light fast and effective road bikes only a bees .... away from them in capability. I am chuffed for Laverty who I really dig and Aprilia who I really dig.



Did I mention that my next bike will be an Aprilia? Pieces of 2 wheeled art. (But not as nice as Anna - I'm still stalking Anna, this may sound really really gay but I'd lick your tank
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)
 
What a shame to ART - CRT- derive from Aprilia WSBK bike supposed to have a better chassis/frame and come with Carbon Brake is slower than Aprilia Superbike....Same goes to FTR-Kawasaki, slower than Kawasaki Superbike. Dorna should have allowed those superbike to joint MotoGP race with changes to Carbon Brake and tire..
 
Much ado about nothing.

(Unless one has improbable theories to push
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).



Laverty made those lap times with sticky superpole tires that last only 3 laps, and he is super motivated to perform since he wants to be Aprilia rider #1 after Biaggi's retirement.



Nicky on the Ducati was just busy testing parts and used only medium and hard bridgestones that are difficult to bring to temperature in cold conditions.



Compare with the last pole made by a MotoGP bike there on quali tires and things will quickly fall into place.
 
V5Stroker said:
What a shame to ART - CRT- derive from Aprilia WSBK bike supposed to have a better chassis/frame and come with Carbon Brake is slower than Aprilia Superbike....Same goes to FTR-Kawasaki, slower than Kawasaki Superbike. Dorna should have allowed those superbike to joint MotoGP race with changes to Carbon Brake and tire..
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Good points.
 

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