WSBK/WSS - Monza(round 5) - Practice/Quali/Race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ May 12 2009, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just to clarify, the 16th place was Phillip Island Race 1 (went off the circuit twice), the first DNF was Valencia Race 1, the second DNF was Assen Race 2, and the 15th place was Monza Race 1 (ran out of fuel).

Like you said though, how different would the championship be without them.

Yes correct. (geez I had my "world" championships mixed up). Haha, what does that say about WSBK vs. MotoGP, eh?

Well we can safely say he would have won race 1 at Monza, 25 points to Haga's 16= 9 points.

And we can safely say he would have podiumed race one PI, if not won outright (I'm gonna go with best case scenario) 25 points to Haga 20 =5.

So at the moment it should look like we could at very least pull back 14 points from the current points standings. Still behind, but a very different picture.

what a bunch of hypocrites haydens fanatics are... but you cannot expect anything else from those us idiots.

we can safely say rossi would have been on podium in china 06... 16 points to haydens 20 = -4 instead of -20 after mechanical related dnf

we can safely say rossi would have won at le mans same year... 25 points to haydens 10 = +15 instead of -11 after mechanical related dnf

we can safely say rossi would have been on podium at laguna 06... 16 points to haydens 25 = -9 instead of -25 after mechanical related dnf.

Great racing at Monza as we had hoped.

Race 1
The coverage I watched didn't show the race one crash incident. I had been wondering where Max N. was during the race as I expected him to be up there. Clearly he was as he had been leading into that corner when the crashing happened. Terrible incident. In regards to the restart of race 1, great to see a 3 way battle down to the end. Fabio was doing everything he could to take points away from Haga, and congrats to him on his first win. Haga himself staying smart and picking up points. Very unfortunate for Spies to run out of fuel on the very last corner. He rode the race well enough to win, but the bike's shortcomings let him down.

Race 2
Haga had a good start and then faded really bad, eventually crashing. Well it finally happened, Haga picked up a DNF, it was bound to happen. The season is long and there are many unknowns. I hope he can stay solid and continue good form for a championship. The rest of the race was not as good as race 1 as Spies checked out, leaving Fabio and Kiyo to try and chase Spies down. Great to see Spies pick up a win after the race 1 debacle.


WSS
Great victory by Crutchlow, but please man, be careful with celebrating the win when others behind you are still racing (Lascorz gave him a "WTF" look). The battle for 2nd/3rd/4th was good down to the line, it looked like Lascorz, Foret, and Laverty crossed the line at exactly the same time. .1 sec to be exact. Where is Ten Kate Honda?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#27aus @ May 12 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what a bunch of hypocrites haydens fanatics are... but you cannot expect anything else from those us idiots.

we can safely say rossi would have been on podium in china 06... 16 points to haydens 20 = -4 instead of -20 after mechanical related dnf

we can safely say rossi would have won at le mans same year... 25 points to haydens 10 = +15 instead of -11 after mechanical related dnf

we can safely say rossi would have been on podium at laguna 06... 16 points to haydens 25 = -9 instead of -25 after mechanical related dnf.

poof

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 12 2009, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hahaha. The new president has fired the incompetent fool Bush puts because of a wayward administration, yes the one that allowed years and years of a resurgence of the Taliban. And now that they (Tali) see that Obama means to actually chase and capture the people responsible for 911 (something that Bush did not), you see them scrambling from Afgan to Paki. That is a result of an incompetent previous administration that "allowed" them to regroup, while Bush tried to distract the world in Iraq. It takes alot of time to right the ship after it has decidedly been almost wrecked.

Hahah, when will you clowns make the connection that this .... is the fault of the man you so admire. You obviously have no perception of TIME.

We're spending 1.8 trillion dollars to install a new facade. I'm not sure how much longer we can keep this act up.

poof

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#27aus @ May 12 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what a bunch of hypocrites haydens fanatics are... but you cannot expect anything else from those us idiots.

we can safely say rossi would have been on podium in china 06... 16 points to haydens 20 = -4 instead of -20 after mechanical related dnf

we can safely say rossi would have won at le mans same year... 25 points to haydens 10 = +15 instead of -11 after mechanical related dnf

we can safely say rossi would have been on podium at laguna 06... 16 points to haydens 25 = -9 instead of -25 after mechanical related dnf.

Isnt this the WORLD SUPERBIKE Forum??

http://www.freewebs.com/poolman09/.......jpg

Don't care about politics, don't care about 2006. To those talking about either points: First, read the title of the thread. Secondly, get ....... To Jum and Lex, you know I enjoy having a chat with you both but get the political ..... out of here. Please.

From what I've read the bird hit Haga in the arm and he lost all feeling in it and that's what caused his drop through the field and subsequent crash. I haven't heard what the damage is past that, though.

Race one was an absolute corker. I also didn't see the incident in race one and the Eurosport guys made no mention of the incident until race two. All the best to Max and Roberts, hope they can heal up as quick as possible. Fabrizio was riding like a man possessed and it was thrilling to watch. I've always felt he is undeserving of the Xerox ride and a bit on the arrogant side but he does seem to have quite a bit of raw talent. Watching him, Spies and Haga fight tooth and nail with one another was fantastic. How devastating for Spies to run out of fuel at the Parabolica. Although if there is any consolation for him it's that Fabrizio nabbed the win away from Haga. And if anyone deserved that win outside of Spies it was Michel. Hats off to him for an absolutely brilliant race.

WSS is insane. I have't paid close attention to it in a long time and it's my favorite series to watch at the moment. Crutchlow had everyone's number this weekend, no one was going to stop that victory. I used to be rather indifferent to Foret, in fact I somewhat liked him. But now that I'm watching the series rather closely, I'm not sure there is a more unpredictable rider out there. What I was impressed about was Laverty. From what the commentators were saying, he didn't quite have the race pace at Monza. But sure enough, come race time the man seems to find something extra and took it to Crutchlow quite a bit more than I'm sure Cal was expecting. He really got the short end of the exchange with Foret and Lascorz. I'd love to see what Lascorz could do on a Honda or Yamaha.

Race two, what can you say really? Ben Spies. Unlucky for Haga but this tightens up the championship a little bit. Quite a change in fortune considering the race one result.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 10 2009, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Couldnae believe it.
Always brightening my day. Thanks Pete.

Is it true that Corser is missing the next race?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ May 12 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is it true that Corser is missing the next race?
That's what I've read.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ May 12 2009, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I used to be rather indifferent to Foret, in fact I somewhat liked him. But now that I'm watching the series rather closely, I'm not sure there is a more unpredictable rider out there. What I was impressed about was Laverty. From what the commentators were saying, he didn't quite have the race pace at Monza. But sure enough, come race time the man seems to find something extra and took it to Crutchlow quite a bit more than I'm sure Cal was expecting. He really got the short end of the exchange with Foret and Lascorz. I'd love to see what Lascorz could do on a Honda or Yamaha.
Foret isn't nearly as bad as he used to be. I seem to remember when he was on the Ten Kate Honda he'd look back over his shoulder literally 4 or 5 times a lap when he was leading - even crashing a couple times after looking back just before tipping in to a corner. I vaguely remember something about his team fining him every time he did it to try and get him to break the habit.

I've been a fan of Norge since he rode the Red Bull Honda in BSB, so it's great to see him doing so well at this level after a couple of crappy seasons in 250. He's still my favourite for the title even with Cal riding so well lately. He didn't half look pissed off though when Foret kept passing him.

I'd love to see Lascorz on a better bike too, cause he was looking really good on the Honda over the last 2 years. Still great to see him riding the wheels off that Kwak though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ May 12 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't care about politics, don't care about 2006. To those talking about either points: First, read the title of the thread. Secondly, get ....... To Jum and Lex, you know I enjoy having a chat with you both but get the political ..... out of here. Please.

Poof. ^

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ May 12 2009, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.freewebs.com/poolman09/.......jpg

Pinky thinks Pinky is .........


(How is that for a psycho-therapist nightmare!)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 12 2009, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Yes correct. (geez I had my "world" championships mixed up). Haha, what does that say about WSBK vs. MotoGP, eh?

Well we can safely say he would have won race 1 at Monza, 25 points to Haga's 16= 9 points.

And we can safely say he would have podiumed race one PI, if not won outright (I'm gonna go with best case scenario) 25 points to Haga 20 =5.

So at the moment it should look like we could at very least pull back 14 points from the current points standings. Still behind, but a very different picture.



To be fair, if one is to look at it from a point of 'what if' you alos need to include Haga's situation at Monza to make any comparison 'fair'.

IMO, whilst it is good one can play all kinds of games and produce results as we have seen with the usual suspects over MGP in 2008 where the 'what if' brigade use the arguments to suit themselves. The facts are that Spies has crashed twice whilst alone and not forced off lines, thus to me they are human error (as was Haga) but the fuel situation, that is pure bad luck and not refelective of the rider.






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ May 12 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Garry

"what if" = danger. "what if"-- should be banished.

In my defense, I did not include the crashes. Only the punt & fuel. Nonetheless, "what if" =bad. Got it brotha.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 12 2009, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Think of an event that has taken place in the last 5 months that has allowed the radicals to take over Pakistan and the Taliban to get a foothold again in Afghanistan. I will give you a hint,it rhymes with Osama.

Y'know I follow this stuff pretty closely. In fact I was in Pakistan just two months ago - but I'm not following you brother. I will say this tho . . . if Pakistan gets overrun by the Taliban - it will be Pakistan's fault. Whatever govt. has ever existed there - has done so only with the forebearance of the military. And too many military people there have used the threat of Muslim extremists to keep the paranoia at fever pitch in order to extort billions from the USA on which the generals and their puppet politicians have gotten richer and richer. But they've been playing both ends against the middle. The idiots have been playing with matches way too long and even now when the Taliban are less than 100 miles from the capitol - they are still selling the conceit that their incompetent and ill-equipped military can control the situation. These ........ are going to get burned - in a big way. And don't you know they'll be appealing to the USA for air to shore up their military. I foresee a whole other Vietnam. The Americans have done all kinds of stupid .... that's pretty much always made things worse in that country - but the Pakistanis are wholly capable of shooting themselves in the foot without any help from us. Anyhoo . . . lets get back to racing!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#22 @ May 13 2009, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is it true that Corser is missing the next race?

Steve Martin In For Troy Corser

link

If Steve Martin is going to be racing - who's going to correct Johnathan Green
every 15 seconds when he makes all those inane and completely non-factual
observations about the race?