Will VR continue with Yam after 2010

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 19 2009, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi would probably take the lustre off his great career by moving to Ducati. If Stoner is still there I can only see one victor. If Casey moves to Honda and Jorge is at Yamaha, Rossi will look really bad. He will NOT make the move. there is too much at risk! I,ve read elsewhere that fans believe that Rossi can ride anything (you too Michael! -at your diplomatic best/worst). There is little evidence to support this supposition and slightly more to oppose it. He will not do it (well maybe if Hayden starts to podium regularly!)

This assertion begs to be corrected
What has a rider to ride (and win on) to convince some people? 125, 250 and 500cc 2-strokes; 2-cylinders 4-strokes superbike; then 990cc 4-strokes, and 800cc packed with electronics. No other rider in activity has won on such a collection of different motorcycles, so one would think he has the highest probability of riding the Ducati successfully.
Whether successfully enough to beat Stoner, that's not granted of course! Stoner is fantastic. But he would be there with Casey in a very short time and not be another 'victim' of the red beast, imo

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 19 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi would probably take the lustre off his great career by moving to Ducati. If Stoner is still there I can only see one victor. If Casey moves to Honda and Jorge is at Yamaha, Rossi will look really bad. He will NOT make the move. there is too much at risk! I,ve read elsewhere that fans believe that Rossi can ride anything (you too Michael! -at your diplomatic best/worst). There is little evidence to support this supposition and slightly more to oppose it. He will not do it (well maybe if Hayden starts to podium regularly!)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........you just give us too much to work with.

9 titles, 3 manufactures, titles in 5 classes including 125, 250, 500, 990 and 800......

I'd say he can ride a bit. Maybe not anything, but more than most

How do you figure VR couldn't ride the Duck in that scientific brain of yours? Are you using logic/evidence and stats as most good scientists do? Seems not. You've yet to factor in anything more than Bias.

I'd hazard a guess the NSR500 was much more of a pig to master than the Techno GP11 would ever be.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 19 2009, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I,ve read elsewhere that fans believe that Rossi can ride anything (you too Michael! -at your diplomatic best/worst). There is little evidence to support this supposition and slightly more to oppose it. He will not do it (well maybe if Hayden starts to podium regularly!)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 19 2009, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This assertion begs to be corrected. What has a rider to ride (and win on) to convince some people? 125, 250 and 500cc 2-strokes; 2-cylinders 4-strokes superbike; then 990cc 4-strokes, and 800cc packed with electronics. No other rider in activity '<u>or EVER</u>' has won '<u>entire Championships</u>' on such a collection of different motorcycles, so one would think he has the highest probability of riding the Ducati successfully.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 19 2009, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>9 titles, 3 manufactures, '<u>titles in 5 classes</u>' including 125, 250, 500, 990 and 800......


Plus... Six different bikes/makes. With Bridgestones, Michelin and Dunlops. Has won on 27 Different tracks in All Classes, and 21 out of 22 tracks he has raced at in Top Class. To top it all… <u>Has broken or tied 'most' Top Class Records</u>: One Championship to be tied with Agostini on eight, and One Pole to be above Doohan on 59!

Etc. etc. etc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 19 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This assertion begs to be corrected
What has a rider to ride (and win on) to convince some people? 125, 250 and 500cc 2-strokes; 2-cylinders 4-strokes superbike; then 990cc 4-strokes, and 800cc packed with electronics. No other rider in activity has won on such a collection of different motorcycles, so one would think he has the highest probability of riding the Ducati successfully.
Whether successfully enough to beat Stoner, that's not granted of course! Stoner is fantastic. But he would be there with Casey in a very short time and not be another 'victim' of the red beast, imo


We will probably never find out, so it is probably a matter of opinion. From my angle, the fact that so many great (tier 2?) riders have failed is of more significance than all of Rossi,s titles. Amongst ALL of the bikes Rossi has ridden, I am not aware of any of them being "cursed" for all but one other rider. Plus, the longer it is that Rossi or Lorenzo fail to sign with Ducati, the more it would appear that they themselves have doubts about the move. Until they even sign , I think the facts support me. . Rossi has a whole careers worth of reputation at stake, and he knows it. A move to Ducati and a poor year would be the last thing he would want to be remembered for. Plus, I think he realises that a healthy Stoner is at least his equal, and while he has a slight advantage on the Yamaha he is in with a chance. On an equal bike.........................things could get really ugly for Vale!

Just my opinion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 19 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd hazard a guess the NSR500 was much more of a pig to master than the Techno GP11 would ever be.
Not according to Tom it wasn't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Nov 19 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not according to Tom it wasn't.

Exactly as Tom stated. But most oddly against every Rider that rode the 500cc two strokers… Most Riders whom stated somewhere and somehow that those machines were the most evil ever built by mankind.

By the way Bunyip, Rossi did win in a Championship in a 500cc two stroker with much less electronics as today's bikes. There is your prove again, denying it is just delusional, you sound like Tom saying they were friendly rides.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 19 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Plus, the longer it is that Rossi or Lorenzo fail to sign with Ducati,

Bla, bla, bla… Been there, done that… Why would Rossi even give a damn? In his younger days Rossi challenged mighty Honda and succeeded. So stop trying to make it look like the all mighty challenge for him, it is not. Been there, done that… Thank you.

Perhaps Lorenzo has something to prove at Ducati. Then again Stoner should try out changing to Suzuki and achieve something similar to what Rossi already did, why not? I won't believe Stoner is that good until he proves this at Suzuki (You did not like that one did you?). Pedrosa is out of the question if you ask me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 19 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the more it would appear that they themselves have doubts about the move. Until they even sign , I think the facts support me. . Rossi has a whole careers worth of reputation at stake, and he knows it. A move to Ducati and a poor year would be the last thing he would want to be remembered for. Plus, I think he realises that a healthy Stoner is at least his equal, and while he has a slight advantage on the Yamaha he is in with a chance. On an equal bike.........................things could get really ugly for Vale!

Just my opinion

A move from Stoner to Suzuki would put his reputation at stake, until he even signs, the more time it takes the more it appears he has doubts about it. I mean, wouldn't this be as tough decision as going against the All Mighty Honda back in 2003? Just my opinion.

Back to you, over…

Oh, by the way... Stoner could take Filippo Preziosi to Suzuki if he wants!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 20 2009, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We will probably never find out, so it is probably a matter of opinion. From my angle, the fact that so many great (tier 2?) riders have failed is of more significance than all of Rossi,s titles. Amongst ALL of the bikes Rossi has ridden, I am not aware of any of them being "cursed" for all but one other rider. Plus, the longer it is that Rossi or Lorenzo fail to sign with Ducati, the more it would appear that they themselves have doubts about the move. Until they even sign , I think the facts support me. . Rossi has a whole careers worth of reputation at stake, and he knows it. A move to Ducati and a poor year would be the last thing he would want to be remembered for. Plus, I think he realises that a healthy Stoner is at least his equal, and while he has a slight advantage on the Yamaha he is in with a chance. On an equal bike.........................things could get really ugly for Vale!

Just my opinion
The m1 in December 03 was cursed for all riders! Short memory.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 19 2009, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The m1 in December 03 was cursed for all riders! Short memory.....

For 12 previous years... Short memory, long time!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 19 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Plus... Six different bikes/makes. With Bridgestones, Michelin and Dunlops. Has won on 27 Different tracks in All Classes, and 21 out of 22 tracks he has raced at in Top Class. To top it all… <u>Has broken or tied 'most' Top Class Records</u>: One Championship to be tied with Agostini on eight, and One Pole to be above Doohan on 59!

Etc. etc. etc.
The logic of this is inescapable; I agree with it now as I have in the past. It is not possible to be certain that he would ride the ducati as fast as stoner until and unless he actually does so , particularly since stoner does appear to be unusually and disproportionately fast on it, but it would also be unusual if he could not ride the thing fast given that he has been fast on every other conveyance he has encountered as you say.

Go away Michael! You really are not helping at all..........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Nov 19 2009, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Go away Michael! You really are <u>not helping at all</u>..........

Because we have come to learn from each side of the coin, when you get that, you’ll get it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 20 2009, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because we have come to learn from each side of the coin, when you get that, you’ll get it.

Of course I get it, otherwise why

Not that I agree with him, just my opinion_ I think the Ducati in its current form does reveal a unique set of difficulties.

The 2010 big bang ducati could well be Rossi friendly and then i will change my tune

It has occured to me (in the pub at that time) that Rossi's demand to be sole rider at Yam is an expression of how he thinks Stoner is getting that treatment at Duc. With Stoner on form this season the Yam fight would have surrendered points & probably the championship. With a potential return to that form for Casey something has got to give.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Nov 20 2009, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It has occured to me (in the pub at that time) that Rossi's demand to be sole rider at Yam is an expression of how he thinks Stoner is getting that treatment at Duc. With Stoner on form this season the Yam fight would have surrendered points & probably the championship. With a potential return to that form for Casey something has got to give.


Both Melandri and Hayden get (or got) paid more than Casey, there is some real fuzzy logic in that one. If everything is for Casey then why pay the 2nd rider more...

Rossi still gets the big pay packet and he now has a little bit of endometriosis because the 2nd rider is demanding equal pay AND status.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 20 2009, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Both Melandri and Hayden get (or got) paid more than Casey, there is some real fuzzy logic in that one. If everything is for Casey then why pay the 2nd rider more...

Rossi still gets the big pay packet and he now has a little bit of endometriosis because the 2nd rider is demanding equal pay AND status.

Strange the bloke wins 20 races and world title for Ducati and gets paid less then his teammate. Bloody hell Chad Reed and Mat Mlandin make double what Stoner makes in a year......

I'm betting CS and his manager believed they got the best contract possible AT THE TIME (late 2006). Easy for you armchair critics to .... on that contract now, three years hence...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 19 2009, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then again Stoner should try out changing to Suzuki and achieve something similar to what Rossi already did, why not? I won't believe Stoner is that good until he proves this at Suzuki (You did not like that one did you?).
I really hope you're just trolling for Bunyip. You don't actually believe today's GSV-R is equal to the 2004 M1, do you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 20 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm betting CS and his manager believed they got the best contract possible AT THE TIME (late 2006). Easy for you armchair critics to .... on that contract now, three years hence...
It was the only fair option for him at the end of 2006, no other top factories wanted to give him a go, and it was only a one-year deal. He signed a new, three-year deal midway through 2007, before Ducati threw a ton of money at Melandri, IIRC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 20 2009, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The m1 in December 03 was cursed for all riders! Short memory.....

Casey doesn't need to change teams to ride a cursed bike, he's on it....

I believe the problem is now that the Ducati is cursed for all riders except Stoner and if Rossi changed now he would find the field (Jorge, Pedro and his potential teammate CS) able to capatlise on that.

He doesn't have that 2004 domination anymore. Jorge Dani and Casey can offer a hell of a lot more than Max or Sete or Loris ever did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 20 2009, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The logic of this is inescapable; I agree with it now as I have in the past. It is not possible to be certain that he would ride the ducati as fast as stoner until and unless he actually does so , particularly since stoner does appear to be unusually and disproportionately fast on it, but it would also be unusual if he could not ride the thing fast given that he has been fast on every other conveyance he has encountered as you say.

When recounting all the various bikes that Rossi rode to victory, I know of none that would have rendered Melandri a backmarker. Find me one and I will recant , renounce all my Rossi-doubting and grovel in front of the Rossiboppers. I doubt that I will have to ,though........

PS. You have extravagant taste in wines. I aspire to fine wines, but since the sharemarket crash, have been reduced to living off Chateau Cardboard mostly, and selling 2 of my 3 toys. I suppose that makes me a loser in Talpas eyes!
Explains my apparently bitter and twisted current demeanour?????????
Thats why I come here to cheer myself up.