Will VR continue with Yam after 2010

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Oct 28 2009, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yam is winning the championship but losing business. Yam's president stepped down by taking the responsibility for the bad financial performance yesterday. They are expecting the massive net loss for 1.82B USD this year. They do not seem to be able to avoid the layoff. No doubt Rossi will ask for pay raise, but I do not think they can afford his salary as much as Furusawa wants. Only Marbolo can do. It will be perfect ending to his career to move to Ducati and win another championship. Even he does not win, it will not diminish his achievements.

Didn't some information leak out about teams getting $2M+ for hiring Toseland b/c of his importance to the BBC TV deal? If Dorna give $2M for Toseland, how much does Dorna give for Rossi? Rossi is critical to every European market.

I doubt the manufacturers pay much of his salary. Unless GP goes in the tank (too late?), I doubt he will take a big pay cut.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 28 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>About Yamaha loses (in this worlds crisis), welcome to the world, few Companies have not reported net loss. And consider that Yamaha Motor, Marine, Music are involved in their Business, I guess the Bikes (with Rossi winning) are the only ones doing a bit better, why let go your main publicity strength?
Exactly, core competencies should ideally form the central plexus of these companies.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 28 2009, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>About Yamaha loses (in this worlds crisis), welcome to the world, few Companies have not reported net loss. And consider that Yamaha Motor, Marine, Music are involved in their Business, I guess the Bikes (with Rossi winning) are the only ones doing a bit better, why let go your main publicity strength?

Silly Season 2011 here we go!

New president said they are facing the most difficult time since the inception of the company. 1.8B dollar net loss is huge even in the time of global recession especially it is their first net loss in 26 years. The bike and marine sales in the US and Europe plunged especially hard even with Rossi’s popularity. But then Furusawa seems to want to do anything to retain Rossi, so they may pull out some cash from somewhere to pay to him even if sponsor money is not enough. Anyway, it all depends on what Rossi wants to do and how the bike performs next year.

I think ROSSI will stay at Yam for a few years yet! ROSSI isn't as money orientated as some, he won't push for something he knows they don't have and he won't up and leave because of it.

Although he has been sponsored by a cigarette manufacturer before, he does not like it, so this is my second reason for ROSSI not going to Ducati.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 27 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm sure Loris would like to piss all over those romantic notions of yours. how exactly was he rewarded again?


One other thing is that Italians know the business as well. Hey they are not going to let Loris flail about the tracks not getting anything or any better. It should be understood that when you do well you get rewarded. Hey Loris had his own Pro model special Livery Monster. So I think Loris won't be pissing to much on my romantic truths since he really didn't deserve to be there after his abysmal adjustments to the 800cc bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 28 2009, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rock... apparently you missed this part while you were fantasizing:
“Valentino is a very, very important rider for Yamaha, and also Jorge is, but especially Valentino…My goal in MotoGP is winning with Valentino,” Furusawasan
Soooo what? So I guess when Ben Spies starts kicking some butt and Jorge does as well teh new contract year for 2011 will be one without those two on Yamaha's only for Vale to quit soon after? Better learn your business 101, the new broom sweeps clean. They love Vale of course, what are they going to say they don't want him there? Especailly since he is under contract for 2010? SO we shall see. WE shall see.

Eyes darting from side to side, he leans forward and whispers cryptically, "we shall, Rock... we SHALL see".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Oct 29 2009, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think ROSSI will stay at Yam for a few years yet! ROSSI isn't as money orientated as some, he won't push for something he knows they don't have and he won't up and leave because of it.

Although he has been sponsored by a cigarette manufacturer before, he does not like it, so this is my second reason for ROSSI not going to Ducati.


Stop being soo naive bonnielass..... Rossi not money oriented? Maybe that is why he's been avoiding paying taxes, and I've yet to hear a story of Rossi donating any money to charity other than putting a sticker on his rallycar.

And Rossi not liking cigarette manufacturer? You're crush Rossi smokes like a chimney so that would be a bit hypocritical of him to refuse cigarette sponsors.

I think Furusawa is more intelligent than other Japanese (or Italian...) managers... Bikes do not sell just because the factory's prototypes demonstrate their technical superiority on track (proving to be the most powerful and fast etc. etc); rather, they sell better when they become associated in the perception of the customers with certain emotions. Think how many Suzukis the legendary Schwantz helped selling, winning just one title.

Furusawa said he wants to keep Valentino in Yamaha until he retires, because he wants Rossi's name and legend to remain associated forever with the Yamaha brand. That's the intelligence the Honda managers didn't have in 2003...

For the same reason, if I were Ducati I would stick to Stoner, who has the best potential to become the next racing legend after Valentino. I'm sorry for the Spanish, but I just do not see the same potential in Lorenzo, leave alone Pedrosa...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 29 2009, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Furusawa is more intelligent than other Japanese (or Italian...) managers... Bikes do not sell just because the factory's prototypes demonstrate their technical superiority on track (proving to be the most powerful and fast etc. etc); rather, they sell better when they become associated in the perception of the customers with certain emotions. Think how many Suzukis the legendary Schwantz helped selling, winning just one title.

Furusawa said he wants to keep Valentino in Yamaha until he retires, because he wants Rossi's name and legend to remain associated forever with the Yamaha brand. That's the intelligence the Honda managers didn't have in 2003...

For the same reason, if I were Ducati I would stick to Stoner, who has the best potential to become the next racing legend after Valentino. I'm sorry for the Spanish, but I just do not see the same potential in Lorenzo, leave alone Pedrosa...
Excellent post. Like I've said before, it's no coincidence that Hugh 'House' Laurie was riding a Repsol Honda from 2006 onwards - riders can be a great marketing tool - even more so as Jarno says, when they become synonymous with the marque. How many 916's and 996's would have been shifted in the UK if it hadn't been for Foggy's success in the 90's? Even if it's just paint schemes. liveries and special editions. In the 80's and early 90's, I remember Lawson zrx kawasaki's, and Spencer Rothmans Honda's. But like you say Jarno, a manufacturer can become associated with an individual rider which embeds in the psyche, and the association can be used to sell bikes for years. How many RS250's were sold on the back of Biaggi? and many have argued that it was as much a shrewd marketing ploy as it was securing his services as a rider behind Aprilia's decision to sign him last year in WSBk.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 30 2009, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One other thing is that Italians know the business as well. Hey they are not going to let Loris flail about the tracks not getting anything or any better. It should be understood that when you do well you get rewarded. Hey Loris had his own Pro model special Livery Monster. So I think Loris won't be pissing to much on my romantic truths since he really didn't deserve to be there after his abysmal adjustments to the 800cc bike.


Loris Caparossi adjustment to the 800 has been Abysmal you say. Loris is the most successfull Ducati apart from Stoner since the 800 have come in. And the only other guy to win on that bike apart from Stoner. Do you even watch Motogp?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Oct 30 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excellent post. Like I've said before, it's no coincidence that Hugh 'House' Laurie was riding a Repsol Honda from 2006 onwards - riders can be a great marketing tool - even more so as Jarno says, when they become synonymous with the marque. How many 916's and 996's would have been shifted in the UK if it hadn't been for Foggy's success in the 90's? Even if it's just paint schemes. liveries and special editions. In the 80's and early 90's, I remember Lawson zrx kawasaki's, and Spencer Rothmans Honda's. But like you say Jarno, a manufacturer can become associated with an individual rider which embeds in the psyche, and the association can be used to sell bikes for years. How many RS250's were sold on the back of Biaggi? and many have argued that it was as much a shrewd marketing ploy as it was securing his services as a rider behind Aprilia's decision to sign him last year in WSBk.
Ok Arrib, I'm with ya in the gist of the entire post but the image of a 50ish, drug addicted cripple as a "great marketing tool" for race-replica sportbike made me piss myself!

EDIT - .... I just realized, if that's the new standard for motorcycle idol, I'm the perfect candidate for Yamaha's next campaign!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 29 2009, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stop being soo naive bonnielass..... Rossi not money oriented? Maybe that is why he's been avoiding paying taxes, and I've yet to hear a story of Rossi donating any money to charity other than putting a sticker on his rallycar.

There are all kinds of people; some like the crazy dictum of insane money and some don't think money is a factor that should dictate their lives. Even if Rossi plays along with the stink, an unreasonable pay rise is not always sustainable; and any intelligent man with an art of discretion would understand that.. haven't we seen that happen in our little worlds as well!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 30 2009, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Furusawa is more intelligent than other Japanese (or Italian...) managers... Bikes do not sell just because the factory's prototypes demonstrate their technical superiority on track (proving to be the most powerful and fast etc. etc); rather, they sell better when they become associated in the perception of the customers with certain emotions. Think how many Suzukis the legendary Schwantz helped selling, winning just one title.

Furusawa said he wants to keep Valentino in Yamaha until he retires, because he wants Rossi's name and legend to remain associated forever with the Yamaha brand. That's the intelligence the Honda managers didn't have in 2003...

For the same reason, if I were Ducati I would stick to Stoner, who has the best potential to become the next racing legend after Valentino. I'm sorry for the Spanish, but I just do not see the same potential in Lorenzo, leave alone Pedrosa...


Interesting stat - Yamaha's R1 has increased sales by 29% this year in Australia and at the same time Honda's CBR1000 has decreased by 55%. (Citing Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries Data)

Interestingly the CBR won the BOTY (Bike of the Year) award in Australia and has also had (IMO) better press than the Yamaha.


Vale effect anyone????

Ben Spies effect anyone????

I think the loss of the popular Hayden + a poor showing in terms of WSBK and motogp has hurt Honda in this market. It is forseeable that the 1098/1198 could outsell the CBR even with the obscene price tag (only 29% behind the CBR in sales at present).

Yamaha are on a winner and the marketing effect of having riders like Rossi and Spies should not be understated.

Yamaha will not soon replace the Rossi effect with any other rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Oct 31 2009, 04:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting stat - Yamaha's R1 has increased sales by 29% this year in Australia and at the same time Honda's CBR1000 has decreased by 55%. (Citing Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries Data)

Interestingly the CBR won the BOTY (Bike of the Year) award in Australia and has also had (IMO) better press than the Yamaha.


Vale effect anyone????

Ben Spies effect anyone????

I think the loss of the popular Hayden + a poor showing in terms of WSBK and motogp has hurt Honda in this market. It is forseeable that the 1098/1198 could outsell the CBR even with the obscene price tag (only 29% behind the CBR in sales at present).

Yamaha are on a winner and the marketing effect of having riders like Rossi and Spies should not be understated.

Yamaha will not soon replace the Rossi effect with any other rider.

Keep dreaming on.

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/3223/win...work-for-yamaha

There have been losses and cutbacks and a re-shuffling of various
exec for all of the big four. That Yamaha has closed one facility
and moved it to another location can also mean they are getting
a better tax deal and working with a more pliable work-force.
Restructuring... it happens even in the best of times. Don't be
surprised if there is a resurgence for Yamaha in the next fiscal
quarter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Oct 31 2009, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Keep dreaming on.

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/3223/win...work-for-yamaha
As if the road race marketing is supposed to save the entire motorcycle division. Nothing is going to stop losses in the industry in this economical climate. I think Roo's stats are far more telling, R1 sales up 29 percent while Fireblade sales are down 55 percent. The marketability of Rossi, Lorenzo and Spies is doing the job it's supposed to.

Rossi got away with it again... Here is the new Specs M1 bike Lorenzo will be riding!

http://www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/200910...ro/618287.shtml

Nice one!

If I'm not mistaken that's Lorenzo playing Eric Idle's part in the Spanish re-make
of Monty Python And The Holy Grail.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gixxer K9 @ Oct 29 2009, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Loris Caparossi adjustment to the 800 has been Abysmal you say. Loris is the most successfull Ducati apart from Stoner since the 800 have come in. And the only other guy to win on that bike apart from Stoner. Do you even watch Motogp?
Yes I watch motogp .......! No .... sherlock that he was the most successful GP Duc rider for a while. SO what are you saying? This post of yours is not even informative. If you had a clue and understand the english language, you would have gleened from my post earlier that because Loris was there for so long and did so well they made a monster pro model for Capi and he was well loved at Ducati. But because of his inability to adapt a business decision had to be made and so they let a yes very good, but aging motogp rider go to suckzuki. My hope is that for the near future Hayden pulls it together and makes that bike work for him.