Will VR continue with Yam after 2010

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 3 2009, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice one!

If I'm not mistaken that's Lorenzo playing Eric Idle's part in the Spanish re-make
of Monty Python And The Holy Grail.

i think your right kesh!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Oct 31 2009, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Keep dreaming on.

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/3223/win...work-for-yamaha


A lot of companies are up shitters ditch at the moment but you will not trade out of this unless you have market share and can take it from your competitors.

Japan as a whole owes about double its GDP and that is alarming.

VW already owns part of Suzuki and Honda is feeling the pinch but doing a disappearing act from racing and promotion which I don’t think is sound thinking.

Australia may not be a market representative of the whole world but there has to be a survivor or two in the bike industry after the GFC and apart from the ridiculous fat guy on a Harley (or Harley lookalike) and scooters the market does use racing and its sporting image as the cornerstone of product recognition.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/154480/1/...ha_in_2011.html



"Yamaha have to decide between me and Jorge for 2011," he said. "I have a great option to join Ducati."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Nov 8 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/154480/1/...ha_in_2011.html



"Yamaha have to decide between me and Jorge for 2011," he said. "I have a great option to join Ducati."

But later on in the interview he did say he wanted to finish his career with Yamaha. I think it's more like Ducati would like an Italian rider/champion on an Italian bike, rather then Rossi looking for another ride.

Rossi should go to F1 as they love the team orders. Even you are asked to crash to the wall to let your teammate win. Yamaha factory will lose all credibility as a racing team if they fire Lorenzo who did great job by taking 2nd in a championship just because Rossi demands so. I lost all respect for this guy. He is gone too far.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi should go to F1 as they love the team orders. Even you are asked to crash to the wall to let your teammate win. Yamaha factory will lose all credibility as a racing team if they fire Lorenzo who did great job by taking 2nd in a championship just because Rossi demands so. I lost all respect for this guy. He is gone too far.

So is your opinion about Doohan saying things like this the same? He also did not want teammates to copy setups, neither wanted to develop the bike for them. So did it make you lose respect for Doohan too? (And other Riders that have said so in the past).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 9 2009, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So is your opinion about Doohan saying this like this the same? He also did not want teammates to copy setups, neither wanted to develop the bike for them. So did it make you lose respect for Doohan too? (And other Riders that have said so in the past).

moto3 has no idea what he's on about give him a break

rule #1..beat your team-mate.. .... giving him all the your secrets.. besides Lorenzo is a great rider, he can be the number 1 rider else where..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Nov 9 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>moto3 has no idea what he's on about give him a break

rule #1..beat your team-mate.. .... giving him all the your secrets.. besides Lorenzo is a great rider, he can be the number 1 rider else where..
Both are saying they want to be number 1 rider. Valentino would now seem to be making it explicit that he might look elsewhere if he is not, jorge having already done so . Seems fairly routine to me, since the laws of physics prevent 2 bodies occupying the same space, there being no such thing as dual number 1 riders in this space-time continuum. If there are realistic contenders other than rossi and lorenzo next year the yamaha factory team situation could be problematic.

I do not think Yamaha intentionally wanted to have two top riders.

The origin of this situation is the 2007 season, when at least a part of the Yamaha management believed Rossi was finished and so they went looking for a viable alternative. They needed to ensure competitivity so they hired Lorenzo.

Now we know how Rossi has performed in 2008 and 2009, but who was ready to bet his career on such a comeback in 2007? The origin of the "problem" is all there.

One could maybe "blame" Rossi for speaking out his discontent, -- he should maybe keep it more private between Yamaha and himslef -- but not for being unhappy with the situation. WTF, who would ever be happy with that kind of situation

i was shocked when i heard Rossi say that, he is normally a publicity genius, he just made a lot of people lose their respect for him-ive lost some!

i can see his point of view tho, he does the development and someone else gets to win off his hard work. but he needs to see things from Yamahas point of view and the fans and realise he looks like a child throwing his toys out of the pram!

i would love to see him on the ducati tho, the new rumour is Stoner has said he will leave ducati if rossi joins

I have not watched the BBC interview, and am very curious to know if those were his "actual" words. As far as I can dig from the internet, the conversation appears to be very benign:

"I am not sure 100% if I will stay with Yamaha," said Rossi. "It depends on what happens next year. It depends on my performance and the fight with Jorge Lorenzo and the decision of Yamaha for 2011."
"I could change bike, ride for Ducati and try to win the world championship with an Italian bike. That would be a great motivation.
"But I prefer at this moment to stay with Yamaha because the love between me and Yamaha, our relationship, is something special.
"To change bike would feel unfaithful. So for Yamaha it is important that I finish my career with them and for me it is also important. "

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...kes/8349264.stm

... which is not at all headline news or something to judge him about; it is a very casual discussion of possibilities, that any top rider is well aware of. Why is every media report blowing this up? The top four riders are forever in the spotlight, silly season or not, and are all facing the lure of potential teams. Atleast they are candid enough to speak about their potential plans.

This is EXACTLY like the Brett Favre situation...or at least has the makings of it...sorry to make the analogy, but it really is.

Living legend hints at retirement...team moves to fill void with top talent...living legend decides he does not want to leave...team in a real pickle...team sides with youth...living legend goes elsewhere...living legend kicks ... of said team and replacement.

Can't wait to see how this unfolds...where's my popcorn?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Z4Kevo @ Nov 9 2009, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is EXACTLY like the Brett Favre situation...or at least has the makings of it...sorry to make the analogy, but it really is.

Living legend hints at retirement...team moves to fill void with top talent...living legend decides he does not want to leave...team in a real pickle...team sides with youth...living legend goes elsewhere...living legend kicks ... of said team and replacement.

Can't wait to see how this unfolds...where's my popcorn?
To be fair, Aaron Rodgers is a very good quarterback. Unfortunately for Green Bay, they have no offensive line and a poor running game and Favre is on a very talented team. It makes the situation look a lot worse for the Pack than it actually is.

Ok, first the 'warning'.

To those that may consider this a pro-CS, anti-VR, pro-anyonebutVR post I urge you to read it with an open mind as there is no bias intended ('believe it or not' as Ripley would say)

Is VR to blame for his own predicament?

Now again boppers of all sides, sit tight before hitting the quote/reply button.

The issue that has led to Rossi speaking out is that he has a competitive team-mate - of that I doubt people seriously can argue. The reason for the competitiveness of this team-mate is open for discussion but generally seems to be that the rider is talented, but primarily that the rider has benefited greatly from the ongoing development work of VR/JB and the team. Is that the general consensus as it seems to be on reading various posts?

People consider this an 'unfair' situation as 'why should one rider benefit so greatly from the work of others' seems to be the line taken.

But, on other hands we have constant criticism of other riders (Pedrosa and Stoner being the two that come to mind) for failing to develop a bike that others can ride successfully, be that deliberate or accidental on the behalf of these riders. The situation seems to be that other users of 'their' machines cannot replicate the levels of success or even be consistently near competitive (accepting that Dovisioso did ok this year and did have different parts at times).

Now, I am not going to comment on who Yamaha should 'listen' to with this little game between Rossi, Lorenzo and the rest as that is a business decision for themselves and will need to take into account a large number of factors.

But the question remains.

Is Rossi himself to blame as if he had not been part to developing a machine so 'all round rideable' then would he be in such a 'threatened' position?

Again, this is not question whether Rossi should or should not have developed the bike along the path, but rather asking is he a victim of his own success in this regard?

People may well have noticed that Suzuki have not been mentioned - that is deliberate as results would indicate a similarity in team results and bike performance - thus they had been excluded from the hypothetical comparison.







Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Nov 9 2009, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>moto3 has no idea what he's on about give him a break

rule #1..beat your team-mate.. .... giving him all the your secrets.. besides Lorenzo is a great rider, he can be the number 1 rider else where..

+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 9 2009, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Both are saying they want to be number 1 rider. Valentino would now seem to be making it explicit that he might look elsewhere if he is not, jorge having already done so . Seems fairly routine to me, since the laws of physics prevent 2 bodies occupying the same space, there being no such thing as dual number 1 riders in this space-time continuum. If there are realistic contenders other than rossi and lorenzo next year the yamaha factory team situation could be problematic.

+2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 9 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do not think Yamaha intentionally wanted to have two top riders.

The origin of this situation is the 2007 season, when at least a part of the Yamaha management believed Rossi was finished and so they went looking for a viable alternative. They needed to ensure competitivity so they hired Lorenzo.

Now we know how Rossi has performed in 2008 and 2009, but who was ready to bet his career on such a comeback in 2007? The origin of the "problem" is all there.

One could maybe "blame" Rossi for speaking out his discontent, -- he should maybe keep it more private between Yamaha and himslef -- but not for being unhappy with the situation. WTF, who would ever be happy with that kind of situation

+3

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sarita @ Nov 9 2009, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have not watched the BBC interview, and am very curious to know if those were his "actual" words. As far as I can dig from the internet, the conversation appears to be very benign:

"I am not sure 100% if I will stay with Yamaha," said Rossi. "It depends on what happens next year. It depends on my performance and the fight with Jorge Lorenzo and the decision of Yamaha for 2011."
"I could change bike, ride for Ducati and try to win the world championship with an Italian bike. That would be a great motivation.
"But I prefer at this moment to stay with Yamaha because the love between me and Yamaha, our relationship, is something special.
"To change bike would feel unfaithful. So for Yamaha it is important that I finish my career with them and for me it is also important. "

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...kes/8349264.stm

... which is not at all headline news or something to judge him about; it is a very casual discussion of possibilities, that any top rider is well aware of. Why is every media report blowing this up? The top four riders are forever in the spotlight, silly season or not, and are all facing the lure of potential teams. Atleast they are candid enough to speak about their potential plans.

+4

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Z4Kevo @ Nov 9 2009, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't wait to see how this unfolds...where's my popcorn?

+5

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Nov 9 2009, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but rather asking is he a victim of his own success in this regard?

Gaz

I think so, he is a victim of his own success. Same crap happened at Honda, wasn't it the most rideable and wanted bike by 2003? I am not saying it is fair or not, Rossi just does not like developing the bike for others to take so much advantage, as many Riders before him have not liked it either.

Still, what I do not understand is why Rossi is putting so much stress on this subject NOW... What's the use? He has one more season to live with Lorenzo, and of course Yamaha's "decision" can happen only after June 2010 and would very much depend on results... If he can beat Lorenzo again in 2010, the problem would kind of dissolve... If he can't, of course Yamaha would choose Lorenzo. So why asking Yam to take a decision now?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Z4Kevo @ Nov 10 2009, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is EXACTLY like the Brett Favre situation...or at least has the makings of it...sorry to make the analogy, but it really is.

Living legend hints at retirement...team moves to fill void with top talent...living legend decides he does not want to leave...team in a real pickle...team sides with youth...living legend goes elsewhere...living legend kicks ... of said team and replacement.

Can't wait to see how this unfolds...where's my popcorn?
Perhaps oddly being australian I am a huge brett favre fan and hence now this year a vikings fan, and whilst I don't disagree with your analogy I would regard joe montana's status in NFL as being a closer equivalent to valentino's in motogp. I guess joe was eventually let go in favour of steve young as well; whether he would have won the title young won or multiple further titles is arguable ( I would like to think so), but from recollection he had back problems whilst valentino still would appear to be in peak physical condition.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1
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Agree, agree, agree, agree, agree... wow, I was gonna quote and reply to the same posts!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 10 2009, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So why asking Yam to take a decision now?
I believe, as in any good marketing/lobbying plan, you want to plant the seed early and bring the campaign to fruition closer to the deadline...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Still, what I do not understand is why Rossi is putting so much stress on this subject NOW... What's the use? He has one more season to live with Lorenzo, and of course Yamaha's "decision" can happen only after June 2010 and would very much depend on results... If he can beat Lorenzo again in 2010, the problem would kind of dissolve... If he can't, of course Yamaha would choose Lorenzo. So why asking Yam to take a decision now?

The whole issue of working that hard to beat his teammate must really be eating him up.
While he is arguably in his prime - we the public can't know whether Rossi himself believes
this to be so. The fact that he would create the Galina t-shirts for his championship
celebration could be taken as an indication that his concerns with the
effects of aging on his remaining seasons - are greater than he is willing to share with
the press. That he would make such an ultimatum so early in the season - might
be a canny strategy to force Yamaha to consider their decision at length; a decision
that could potentially backfire if the younger Lorenzo shows steady improvement in the coming season. That Rossi would make such an ultimatum publicly - shows, in my opinion -
a bizarre lack of discretion - unless he's done this in the expectation that all his friends on
Facebook are going to deluge Yamaha with Twitters of support.