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Why the ridicule of riders who are physically small?

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I'm not sure why some people like to pick at or dig at riders for being physically small. If they have something natural that gives them some kind of 'advantage', who is to tell them they can not use it?

As in basketball, physically tall players who have mediocre skills get drafted all the time. Teams are tantalized by size. Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, etc. They were not good basketball players, but hey they made a good amount of money just to by being tall.
In most competitive arenas, being bigger, taller, stronger always get you more opportunities/chances.

So why the ridicule for being the opposite? If it is something genetic, well there is not much they can do about it, no? I don't mind riders being smaller. If they are great riders as well, more power to them.

Disclaimer: This is coming from someone who is around Capirex's size.
 
Theres plenty of big talented riders that have been over looked because of teams preferance to jocky riders for power to weight ratio. Thats just sizest !
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In Moto Gp being small is an advantage. The heaviest guy probably weighs around 160 I would assume. so were just pointing out how much it sucks for an average size rider not to be competitive because he is too big for the current 800cc machines who are better suited for small guys
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jul 12 2009, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Moto Gp being small is an advantage. The heaviest guy probably weighs around 160 I would assume. so were just pointing out how much it sucks for an average size rider not to be competitive because he is too big for the current 800cc machines who are better suited for small guys
Well when and if BEn Spies gets to GP I think he will throw that out the window. I hope so at least.
 
I think most of the anti-midget hatred is (justifiably!) directed against Pedrosa. He and his Mentor/Master/Soul-Sucking-Demon/Flaming-....... (pick all that apply) Alberto Puig have managed to piss of a lot of people. Apart from his cheery personality, there's the popular impression that DP gains a significant advantage from being so small, and that his actual racecraft is rather weak. His wins tend to be of the run-away-and-hide sort, with little actual battling for position. Indeed, he tends to fall apart when challenged or required to attack.

Elias isn't much bigger, but no one bags on his size. The guy's a real racer and seems to be a decent chap to boot.

Personally, I wish Dorna would take at least some small steps toward minimizing the 'dwarf factor' advantage that small riders enjoy. Adding ballast to partially or completely equalize 'package' weight would reduce the large acceleration disparity the midgets enjoy.
 
Why do people characterize it as a unfair advantage? It's not, their genetics can't be changed, if that gives them an advantage, so be it.

Are the smaller/lighter guys winning every race? No. I think this 'advantage' is small (no pun intended) at best.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Jul 12 2009, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do people characterize it as a unfair advantage? It's not, their genetics can't be changed, if that gives them an advantage, so be it.

Are the smaller/lighter guys winning every race? No. I think this 'advantage' is small (no pun intended) at best.
Well it does kind of suck because Big guys that are good riders get overlooked. Like Rockgod said if and when Ben Spies jumps into moto gp we will see if the size really matters! look at all the guys runing the Isle of man tt theyre not small size doesnt matter there because theyre all on production bikes not the tiny moto gp proto types designed for the little guys. Almost all the Moto gp guys are small Rosi and Hayden might be the two of the biggest
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Jul 13 2009, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do people characterize it as a unfair advantage? It's not, their genetics can't be changed, if that gives them an advantage, so be it.

Are the smaller/lighter guys winning every race? No. I think this 'advantage' is small (no pun intended) at best.

I wish that applied in my sport. I'm 5ft8 and weigh about 56kg (light I admit), but to meet my Superkart class weight limit I have to run 23kg of lead! To sum it up, my bro (a rugby player) would also need ballast to meet said limit too!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Jul 13 2009, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do people characterize it as a unfair advantage? It's not, their genetics can't be changed, if that gives them an advantage, so be it.

Are the smaller/lighter guys winning every race? No. I think this 'advantage' is small (no pun intended) at best.


Do you never watch the start of a race? Dani last week for example
 
The smallest riders on the grid appear to be at a disadvantage as often as they gain, and I don't think i've seen a race yet where i've felt the result was a reflection of the riders size and not his riding ability or performance at that event. There are plenty of sports where people may have the mental capacity but are physically innapropriate for the top level so i don't really see what the fuss is about.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 13 2009, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The smallest riders on the grid appear to be at a disadvantage as often as they gain, and I don't think i've seen a race yet where i've felt the result was a reflection of the riders size and not his riding ability or performance at that event. There are plenty of sports where people may have the mental capacity but are physically innapropriate for the top level so i don't really see what the fuss is about.
A small rider may have an advantage in some areas and be disadvantaged in others but fact is you dont see any "normal" sized riders being offered a seat in motogp, so the teams must feel the advantages out weigh the disadvantage. DJ was over looked for his size yet is talent was plain to see ! Or do you think he was over rated ??
 
They make the bikes light as possible so it makes sense that they would want the lighest riders they can get.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 13 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A small rider may have an advantage in some areas and be disadvantaged in others but fact is you dont see any "normal" sized riders being offered a seat in motogp, so the teams must feel the advantages out weigh the disadvantage. DJ was over looked for his size yet is talent was plain to see ! Or do you think he was over rated ??

What do you call a 'normal' sized rider? Go the a BSB meating and you'll see that most of the guys out there aren't very big. I very much doubt any motogp riders are picked based primarily on size. Also, DJ was clearly not a normal sized guy, even in the real world let alone in bike racing, the guy was pretty big.
 
I'd say "phyisically small" could be applied to 80% of the grid since they're all under the world average for men.

But actually you'll see only Dani Pedrosa is ridiculed, it's not because he's the smallest. It's because he is very good, and you'll notice the ones that ridicule him are fans of riders who might get beaten by Dani (Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner) or by the ones Dani has mopped the floor with (all his teammates).

When a sport becomes popular, the pro players tend to be more or less the same size, jockey are riders are extremely small, basketball players (depending on the position) are very tall. Judging by the average size of MotoGP grid 1.70m, I'd say that's the most convenient size (there's some disadvantages to being too small).

So Dani IMO doesn't benefit from his size at all, and would be quicker if he was a few cm taller. Same way Rossi would probably be a bit quicker too if he was a few cm shorter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jul 13 2009, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd say "phyisically small" could be applied to 80% of the grid since they're all under the world average for men.

But actually you'll see only Dani Pedrosa is ridiculed, it's not because he's the smallest. It's because he is very good, and you'll notice the ones that ridicule him are fans of riders who might get beaten by Dani (Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner) or by the ones Dani has mopped the floor with (all his teammates).

When a sport becomes popular, the pro players tend to be more or less the same size, jockey are riders are extremely small, basketball players (depending on the position) are very tall. Judging by the average size of MotoGP grid 1.70m, I'd say that's the most convenient size (there's some disadvantages to being too small).

So Dani IMO doesn't benefit from his size at all, and would be quicker if he was a few cm taller. Same way Rossi would probably be a bit quicker too if he was a few cm shorter.
well he didn't mop the floor with his team mate in 06 did he
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a diminutive stature in motogp gives the rider a huge advantage. seeing the little guy pull away from someone on equal machinery does not help to establish them as a talented rider in a series where only the best belong. I truly believe that being 20 lbs lighter than the competition is an unfair advantage. pedrosa gets the holeshot a huge amount of the time because of his weight

aside from this, there is also the fact that people are naturally attracted the strength, and a male being 5'2" is pathetic. (there is no nicer way of putting it)..... as a sociology major, one of the recurring trends you start to notice is how major a role your height plays in how the world perceives you. at the end of the day, we are all animals, and it is hardwired into your brain whether you want to admit it or not. survival of the fittest
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jul 13 2009, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd say "phyisically small" could be applied to 80% of the grid since they're all under the world average for men.

But actually you'll see <u>only Dani Pedrosa is ridiculed, it's not because he's the smallest. It's because he is very good,</u> and you'll notice the ones that ridicule him are fans of riders who might get beaten by Dani (Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner) or by the ones Dani has mopped the floor with (all his teammates).

When a sport becomes popular, the pro players tend to be more or less the same size, jockey are riders are extremely small, basketball players (depending on the position) are very tall. Judging by the average size of MotoGP grid 1.70m, I'd say that's the most convenient size (there's some disadvantages to being too small).

So Dani IMO doesn't benefit from his size at all, and would be quicker if he was a few cm taller. Same way Rossi would probably be a bit quicker too if he was a few cm shorter.

You're relatively new to the forum - so you've missed a lot of earlier comments on Pedrosa -
so clearly, you don't get what it is everybody hates about him. #1 was his ....... move on
his teammate Nicky Hayden on the penultimate race in 2006 when Hayden had the championship
all wrapped up. Dani Pendejo made an incredibly dangerous and unbelivably stupid pass on Hayden and knocked him down and almost cost him the championship. Pedrosa was nowhere near to being in contention for the championship - but he made this insanely stupid pass on teammate Hayden that was so thoughtless and completely pointless because he had such a huge ....... ego and because he was like a pissy little boy who was having a tantrum over the fact that he saw himself as Honda's #1 Boy and because he resented the fact that the big stupid American was going to win the championship for the Spanish Repsol team. And afterwards he never ....... apolgized to his teammate. Instead he sulked like a little ..... He showed absolutely no sense of sportsmanship. And in turn he infuriated people all over the world. He was viewed as a nasty little .... with a Napoleon complex and only made things worse by way of his constant demands on Honda for refinements to the the bikes that only he would get in the following season - leaving his championship-winning teammate with a half-assed bike, minus most of the updates that should have been offered to the rider (Hayden) who had accomplished the most for the team. He's been a sulking little .... when interviewed and behaves in general like he's second coming of Christ. People resent the hell out of Pedrosa because he's an undeserving, spoiled brat on who Repsol has wasted millions of dollars of resources that should have been spent on developing Hayden's bike as he was the more successful rider. And always... he made everyone hate him because he demonstrated so much false pride and behaved like an ungrateful little .... with a ...... attitude. He's constantly been perceived as an undeserving little .... who made things worse by never acknowledging the superiority of his teammate for the constantly saying and doing things to undermine Hayden - something that simply isn't done to one's teammate. I used to be a photographer and Pedrosa's antics remind me of a group of gay Flamenco dancers I once spent a week shooting. They were all spiteful little ....... and would do things like putting broken glass in each others dance shoes. That's Pedrosa in a nutshell. So people naturally make fun of "The Mouse That Roared" because of his extreme hubris.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 13 2009, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're relatively new to the forum - so you've missed a lot of earlier comments on Pedrosa -
so clearly, you don't get what it is everybody hates about him. #1 was his ....... move on
his teammate Nicky Hayden on the penultimate race in 2006 when Hayden had the championship
all wrapped up. Dani Pendejo made an incredibly dangerous and unbelivably stupid pass on Hayden and knocked him down and almost cost him the championship. Pedrosa was nowhere near to being in contention for the championship - but he made this insanely stupid pass on teammate Hayden that was so thoughtless and completely pointless because he had such a huge ....... ego and because he was like a pissy little boy who was having a tantrum over the fact that he saw himself as Honda's #1 Boy and because he resented the fact that the big stupid American was going to win the championship for the Spanish Repsol team. And afterwards he never ....... appolgized to his teammate. Instead he sulked like a little ..... He showed absolutely now sense of sportsmanship. And in turn he infuriated people all over the world. He was viewed as a nasty little .... with a Napoleon complex and only made things worse by way of his constant demands on Honda for refinements to the the bikes that only he would get in the following season - leaving his championship-winning teammate with a half-assed bike, minus most of the updates that should have been offered to the rider (Hayden) who had accomplished the most for the team. He's been a sulking little .... when interviewed and behaves in general like he's second coming of Christ. People resent the hell out of Pedrosa because he's an undeserving, spoiled brat on who Repsol has wasted millions of dollars of resources that should have been spent on developing Hayden's bike as he was the more successful rider. And always... he made everyone hate him because he was an ungrateful little .... with a ...... attitude. He's constantly been perceived as an undeserving little .... who made things worse by never acknowledging the superiority of his teammate for the constantly saying and doing things to undermine Hayden - something that simply isn't done to one's teammate. I used to be a photographer and Pedrosa's antics remind me of a group of gay Flamenco dancers I once spent a week shooting. They were all spiteful little ....... and would do things like putting broken glass in each others dance shoes. That's Pedrosa in a nutshell.

i see your therapy is going well then!

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to answer the original posts question, we ridicule smaller riders because its fun.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 13 2009, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're relatively new to the forum - so you've missed a lot of earlier comments on Pedrosa -
so clearly, you don't get what it is everybody hates about him.
keshav........ look at teos member #. new he ain't.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Jul 13 2009, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i see your therapy is going well then!

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Hey Brother - very few things more therapeutic than a good rant.
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Gotta get it out of the system - and then move on.

Some hippies never get over the fact that the '60s are over.
Some fans never get over 2006.
As for me - I have forgiven Pedrosa (Hayden has) and have
come to admire the little .... for gutsy stick-to-it-ness in the
face of injury etc.
 

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