why only stoner can ride ducati

Beside the politics and conspiracy theory in 2006, Honda RC211V still bugged by front-end problem and with a new Michelin wider front tyre profile only supplied to factory team. The situation adding salt into injury. It's have a long problem haunted Honda since 16.5 in tyre used by 990cc.

Factory team get improved frame from Biaggi+Gibernau Brno version while the LCR Honda still using the old frame version and dated front tyre profile. The problem lead to unpredictable chatters and hard to turn on braking. Only a couple of team seem fix the problem on their own through race by race basis which is TeamKR and LCR Honda. The result doesn't show at the race session.

Stoner seem found the solution quickly via bike setup in every FP1 practice when he used to run at a record pace lap-time at almost all the tracks he won previously in 250cc class. Since Stoner very much rely on front-end grip, any small correction from Honda engineer to fix the front-end problem based from works with TeamKR and Factory rider inputs would lead to a disaster for Stoner. Since he was rookie rider then, he may don't have a say to prevent the changes even though he had brilliant practice pace.

The Honda front-end problem was inherited from the Hybrid version introduced by Ukawa at Motegi 2005 race. The hybrid prototype was very fast but can't turn properly. On the other hand, Hayden was opt to choose Biaggi+Gibernau frame to be used with the Hybrid instead. Then later in early season Michelin give him wider tyre profile to reduce the front-end chatter.

Basically, every solution Stoner has found for Satellite bike version problems has been throw into the drain. His efforts paid off when Ducati did pay attentions on his practice and race pace.

If you are a manager looking for a promising rookie how could you miss Stoner on the LCR Honda. He rode the wheels off the bike and finished 8th. I like the way he just rode to his limit and let the bike fail him. That obviously showed what was going on to the initiated.

ducati needs to be just a 1 rider team. Focus all their energy on casey and he'll be near impossible to beat.

And he is one corner away from a career ending injury. Then what?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 10 2009, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And he is one corner away from a career ending injury. Then what?
Then he will retire only to come back a couple of seasons later with all the hype. But get nowhere just like gibbers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 5 2009, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>seems unbelievable but so did his 07 championship, so maybe there is something in it.
Who would have order his tyres to be ...... with and what would they have to gain ? ask casey that. Michilin wouldn't have anything to gain nor would team LCR as far as i can see.

I can only assume as to the reasoning behind it and what Casey implied, but from what i can gather its very much a 'boys club', and as mentioned in earlier posts politics are rife. I suppose the adage its not what you know but who, would also give a bit of an idea.

My guess would be its the case of HRC wanting their factory team to win for marketing reasons, also they had provided Michellin with numerous world titles so feel they had a claim to preferential treatment etc...

I think there were a few posts about someone sabotaging his set up etc.... as far as i know nothing like that happened, it was purley tyres. And as you know it takes them all FP1,2,3 & even a bit of quali to get that synergy between their bike, tyres and surface to an optimum, so casey would find himself in Warmup having to redo it all.

So whilst the parts he was given were not faulty in any way, they would not yield the lap times, which in his exuberance caused the crashes, combined with their inconsistency with what he had practiced on.

Either way the current set up with an apparent truck of tyres that are randomly distributed to the riders over the weekend has been an attempt to quell the tyre issues that have occured in the past.

I read from Mika Kallio's website that they are looking for a rather surprising solution to the handling problems of the bike.

Basically, Kallio says that on friday they will try the bike so that the power of the engine is dropped down by 20-30hp on certain revs of the lower gears to stabilize the bike out of the curves.

Sounds weird, doesn't it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Jun 12 2009, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I read from Mika Kallio's website that they are looking for a rather surprising solution to the handling problems of the bike.

Basically, Kallio says that on friday they will try the bike so that the power of the engine is dropped down by 20-30hp on certain revs of the lower gears to stabilize the bike out of the curves.

Sounds weird, doesn't it?
Ducati MotoGP bike... like a character from Alice in Wonderland... stranger and stranger...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jun 6 2009, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do not subscribe to any theory that says a black clad Honda Ninja stealthily snuck into the LCR garage overnight and wound down or up settings as surely the tem would check all such settings well before the bike left the pits and therefore make corrections amongst other aspects.


Garry

I totally subscribe to the Hinda ninja theory, how else do you explain the Honda cup.. err moto2. ....... Ninjas.

I hope Casey stays with the Dukes even though id like to see him head to head on equal machinery with Rossi. Its building into one of those legendary partnerships and its all the more interesting because no one else can handle the Ducati Mad Hatters party.

funny how all that talk about a .... season in moto gp has dried up so quick..

Stoner lost the front on the Honda/Michelin package all year long and then BAM he goes to an 800 Ducati and pulls a back muscle carrying all the 1st place trophies to his motorhome.

I wonder how RDP would do on a Ducati. He lost the front on Honda/Michelin kit all the time but he's staying relatively crash free on the Stones and he can knock out a fast lap time as we've seen during qualifying.

I just wonder if could get on the thing and be instantly fast like Stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (narstynarnst @ Jun 13 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I totally subscribe to the Hinda ninja theory, how else do you explain the Honda cup.. err moto2. ....... Ninjas.

I hope Casey stays with the Dukes even though id like to see him head to head on equal machinery with Rossi. Its building into one of those legendary partnerships and its all the more interesting because no one else can handle the Ducati Mad Hatters party.

funny how all that talk about a .... season in moto gp has dried up so quick..
I guess moto2 will be hondas only real chance of a world championship for a while.... 'moto2 Honda world champions' hahahahahahahahha

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jun 24 2009, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner lost the front on the Honda/Michelin package all year long and then BAM he goes to an 800 Ducati and pulls a back muscle carrying all the 1st place trophies to his motorhome.

I wonder how RDP would do on a Ducati. He lost the front on Honda/Michelin kit all the time but he's staying relatively crash free on the Stones and he can knock out a fast lap time as we've seen during qualifying.

I just wonder if could get on the thing and be instantly fast like Stoner.


Yes... Look for riders who used to lose the front with Michelin, and have been cured by Bridgestone. Interesting--

Exactly what Stoner said when he went to Ducati ...... he has so much more feel with the Bridgestone front.

I don't think RDP could do much on the Duc. ...... on a like bike to his Stoner came out first race and got pole.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 24 2009, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly what Stoner said when he went to Ducati ...... he has so much more feel with the Bridgestone front.

I don't think RDP could do much on the Duc. ...... on a like bike to his Stoner came out first race and got pole.
if your talking about when stoner was on the honda, he did that when michilin were seen as the better tyre to stones so i dont think its really fair to compare the two by todays standards. apples and oranges

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 24 2009, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if your talking about when stoner was on the honda, he did that when michilin were seen as the better tyre to stones so i dont think its really fair to compare the two by todays standards. apples and oranges

seen as a better tyre by whom Rog.? ......

Casey Stoner ...... ( very fast rider, Motogp WC, holder of many circuits fastest lap times .... ), says " the bridgestone front feels a lot better than the tyres he had at LCR" ......... Rog. ( from the intynet ) says it isn't true ....... hmmmm ??? ........ its a hard decision Rog. !! now who will I believe ???? hmmmm ???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 24 2009, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>seen as a better tyre by whom Rog.? ......

Casey Stoner ...... ( very fast rider, Motogp WC, holder of many circuits fastest lap times .... ), says " the bridgestone front feels a lot better than the tyres he had at LCR" ......... Rog. ( from the intynet ) says it isn't true ....... hmmmm ??? ........ its a hard decision Rog. !! now who will I believe ???? hmmmm ???
not quite what i said.

in 06 for the majority of riders michilin were seen as the tyres to have over stones. this is not the case today seeing michilin are no longer in the game. so to compare randys and stoners rookie seasons just because they both rode sat honda's is like comparing apples an oranges. that was my point.

i don't know wtf you guys are talking about

bottom line:

Honda/Michelin
- Stoner : loses the front
- Randy : loses the front

Ducati/Stones
- Stoner : Fastest guy on the track
- Randy : ?

Honda/Stones
- Stoner : ?
- Randy : Sometimes really fast in Q, doesn't crash as much

who knows, i just thought it was an interesting comparo

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Jun 11 2009, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I read from Mika Kallio's website that they are looking for a rather surprising solution to the handling problems of the bike.

Basically, Kallio says that on friday they will try the bike so that the power of the engine is dropped down by 20-30hp on certain revs of the lower gears to stabilize the bike out of the curves.

Sounds weird, doesn't it?
NO that doesn't sound weird. I believe that in F1 there is some of that going on at the moment. If you listen to the races then you can hear the weird gearing or motor tweaking going on due to this. At least it is what they were talking about so I don't know the exact reason why the Mercedes sounds as weird as it does shifting the new way it does.

SpeedTV:

Still suffering muscle soreness and pain from his race day virus Stoner was 1.39s faster than Hayden who complained of a "flat engine" in his bike during his tag team run with Stoner.

“Casey gets the bike turned better than me and accelerates earlier," Hayden said as he reflected on his Ducati tutorial. “He said the biggest area was off the corners. Casey said he was making up a lot of time on me off the corners and I think we went somewhere wrong with some electronics and we maybe had too much.

"He said he was about to run over the top of me coming onto the some of the straights. My engines felt a little flat and it seems strange that I was slower (than the race). There are so many electronic and mapping strategies, something can go wrong, but my acceleration was a little off compared to the race."

Following their high-speed class Stoner spoke to Hayden's new crew chief, Juan Martinez, while Hayden remained on track to run a solo lap.

Stoner was coy on the details saying that the Ducati team run was a way of assessing the strengths and weaknesses of both his and Hayden's set-up.

Right now there doesn't appear to be too much out of shape with Stoner's methods.

Ducati have said they would like Hayden to return next year.

In reaction Hayden said, “I’ve had my hands completely full trying to sort this bike out and I’d like to sort it out because I love the team and everybody is in my corner. Obviously we’ve got to do better to make that happen and ideally I’d like to be back, and I want Ducati to want me to be back because I’m getting results."

“It can beat you down but it’s not that hard," he added, reflecting on the mental toll the continued struggles have taken. "If I was going to give up I’d have given up a long time ago. This is easy to get motivated for."

ive decided the answer is simple but expensive

Ducati need to develop two very different bikes

1 for stoner that rewards blind faith and insane riding

then a 2nd bike with much more rider feedback and less electronics that rewards a smoother style.

if stoner is still quicker on the 2nd bike than the rest then hats off to him!