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Why do the riders qualify?

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i just started watching motogp but i have no a idea why do they qualify?
and after qualification there is a race but why do they qualify, for what?
and how do they get points?
sorry for this stupid question i just want to know
 
Grid positions are decided in descending order of qualifying speed, with the fastest rider on the 'pole' aka the first position.
 
If you're new and learning MotoGP, I would recommend watching the first hour of the movie, Faster. Aside from it being a great documentary, the first 45 minutes really explains the basics of what each race/rider/team is about. It's a great introduction to MotoGP and it's wonderful motorcycle theater too.

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That's a great question Mr. worst name in history of the forum guy. They qualify to give the appearance that MotoGP is not completely skewed towards the four riders on factory bikes. What happens is they give everybody a tire that's worthless for races because it only lasts a few laps. This allows the shittier bikes on the grid to occasionally post a fast lap. What this does is send the Moto journalists and myopic fans running to the keyboard buzzing about how the guy who's usually in seventh place may have an opportunity to win the race on Sunday. This happens every single week But the reality is each bike already has a preset placing. The factory Honda and Yamaha's will finish 1-4. The satellite Yamaha's and Honda will finish 5-7. The Ducatis used to finish 8th and 9th But now with Crutchlow riding they finish 8th and 11th. The rest of the scrub bikes will finish out the grid.
Remember MotoGP is not a legitimate sport, it is a show, and qualifying is nothing but a dog and pony show. Duc said to watch Faster, which is an excellent idea but but to get a better idea about GP watch Game of Thrones. Pretend Honda are the Lannisters and the rest of the grid are Starks.
So the real answer to your question is that qualifying doesn't mean a ....... thing, and I'm not even sure why they do it
 
First of all, thank you! Seriously, this here is why I've stayed on this forum. This thread, good sir, is nothing short of ecstasy. I believe your message has been lost on most of us. Oh, but not on me my friend. "Why do they qualify?" Ah....pure genius!

You, dear ihaveaquestion, make an insightful, well... question(s). "Why do they qualify?" I have been asking myself the same question all year, and I've been aware of MotoGP for only over the last 20 plus. Well actually, there are two qualifying sessions, but...whose counting. "What are they qualifying for?" might be another way to make your point. For example, its not like the Olympics, where the contestants must "qualify" to participate in the international tournament itself; unlike GP, where you pay an entrance fee and you're essentially qualified to compete, guaranteed a position on the grid (well as long as you "qualify" within a certain percentage of the top rider, which happens with astonishing regularity for the regular entrants, basically automatic qualification). Furthermore, GP has 2 "qualifying" sessions now, perhaps there are 2 races, one might reasonably extrapolate. Well...there are 2 podiums, 1 with 3 steps the other with 1. But no, there is 1 race, 2 qualifying sessions, interestingly enough, some riders actually participate in both qualifications.

Take for example Cal Crutchlow, he participated in both qualifying sessions: "Qualifying 1" today at LeMans, arriving in 2nd position amongst bikes that were far inferior and not actually prototype machines (more on this below) yet, he was dead last in "Qualifying 2" (despite having special tires, which for the moment we'll call: qualifying tires). Now dear reader, keep this next part straight; in reality it is the same exact qualifying position for the race! Yes, that's right, "Factory" Ducati rider Cal Crutchlow (formerly Factory 2 category, albeit a rather short lived proposed designation) participated in Qualifying 1 & Qualifying 2 sessions and managed to remain in thee exact qualifying position (starting position) for the race. So you see, I'm as every bit interested as you are about this strange business of "qualifying". Now lets remember, "Qualifying 1", is for the 2nd part of the grid, Qualifying 2 is for the 1st part, so the numerical nomenclature attached to Qualifying "1 & 2" are actually in reverse enumeration order of the 2 upper and lower halves of grid positions for the start of the race. I don't want to confuse anybody reading here, but you should also know there were 2 categories of machines in Qualifying 1 today (well actually there were 2 categories in Qualifying 2 too): 4 of which were prototype machines (once called factory or satellite). 2 of those machines (Ducatis) have a split designation, despite being virtually identical! You see, 1 is an "Open Option" category (Hernandez) and the other being a "Factory Option" category (Crutchlow) though as I said before, it was formerly proposed "Factory 2 Option" category. However, despite the 2 destinations for these 2 virtually identical Ducatis, they both qualify and operate under 1 set of parameters (that is, the Factory Option operates as a Open Option).

And what about the other 2 prototype machines I mentioned above, which competed in qualification with far inferior "production derived" machines? Well, you had in Qualifying 2 today, 2 Yamahas, formerly "factory satellite" machines, now designated as "Open Option". The 4 prototype machines, being far superior to the other production derived machines in Qualifying 2; 2 of those advanced to Qualifying 2, where they joined 2 other machines with special tires just like themselves (interestingly enough, 1 was a "Factory Option" Ducati (Dovisioso), while the other was an "Open Option" Ducati (Iannone), again, virtually identical machines, 2 categories, 2 qualifying sessions.) That is, in the 2 qualifying sessions, some machines got to use what are essentially "qualifying" tires, while most of those in "Qualifying 2" did not have these special super soft tires (once actually called "Qualifying tires")! So in Qualifying 2, all the bikes were full prototype machines, but some qualified with, lets call them "qualifying tires" while others used...well tires used to "qualify".


I'll just assume you know the difference between these "Option" categories, given the fact you clearly have the perspicacity to have us all examine: "why do they qualify?" Surely, the rhetorical question of the year. But please, allow me to elaborate on the futility of "qualifying", as your message was not lost on me, and one for which I concur with the point of your nuanced message presented to us here as an inquiry: "Why do they qualify?" Genuine genius!
 
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First of all, thank you! Seriously, this here is why I've stayed on this forum. This thread, good sir, is nothing short of ecstasy. I believe your message has been lost on most of us. Oh, but not on me my friend. "Why do they qualify?" Ah....pure genius!

You, dear ihaveaquestion, make an insightful, well... question(s). "Why do they qualify?" I have been asking myself the same question all year, and I've been aware of MotoGP for only over the last 20 plus. Well actually, there are two qualifying sessions, but...whose counting. "What are they qualifying for?" might be another way to make your point. For example, its not like the Olympics, where the contestants must "qualify" to participate in the international tournament itself; unlike GP, where you pay an entrance fee and you're essentially qualified to compete, guaranteed a position on the grid (well as long as you "qualify" within a certain percentage of the top rider, which happens with astonishing regularity for the regular entrants, basically automatic qualification). Furthermore, GP has 2 "qualifying" sessions now, perhaps there are 2 races, one might reasonably extrapolate. Well...there are 2 podiums, 1 with 3 steps the other with 1. But no, there is 1 race, 2 qualifying sessions, interestingly enough, some riders actually participate in both qualifications.

Take for example Cal Crutchlow, he participated in both qualifying sessions: "Qualifying 1" today at LeMans, arriving in 2nd position amongst bikes that were far inferior and not actually prototype machines (more on this below) yet, he was dead last in "Qualifying 2" (despite having special tires, which for the moment we'll call: qualifying tires). Now dear reader, keep this next part straight; in reality it is the same exact qualifying position for the race! Yes, that's right, "Factory" Ducati rider Cal Crutchlow (formerly Factory 2 category, albeit a rather short lived proposed designation) participated in Qualifying 1 & Qualifying 2 sessions and managed to remain in thee exact qualifying position (starting position) for the race. So you see, I'm as every bit interested as you are about this strange business of "qualifying". Now lets remember, "Qualifying 1", is for the 2nd part of the grid, Qualifying 2 is for the 1st part, so the numerical nomenclature attached to Qualifying "1 & 2" are actually in reverse enumeration order of the 2 upper and lower halves of grid positions for the start of the race. I don't want to confuse anybody reading here, but you should also know there were 2 categories of machines in Qualifying 1 today (well actually there were 2 categories in Qualifying 2 too): 4 of which were prototype machines (once called factory or satellite). 2 of those machines (Ducatis) have a split designation, despite being virtually identical! You see, 1 is an "Open Option" category (Hernandez) and the other being a "Factory Option" category (Crutchlow) though as I said before, it was formerly proposed "Factory 2 Option" category. However, despite the 2 destinations for these 2 virtually identical Ducatis, they both qualify and operate under 1 set of parameters (that is, the Factory Option operates as a Open Option).

And what about the other 2 prototype machines I mentioned above, which competed in qualification with far inferior "production derived" machines? Well, you had in Qualifying 2 today, 2 Yamahas, formerly "factory satellite" machines, now designated as "Open Option". The 4 prototype machines, being far superior to the other production derived machines in Qualifying 2; 2 of those advanced to Qualifying 2, where they joined 2 other machines with special tires just like themselves (interestingly enough, 1 was a "Factory Option" Ducati (Dovisioso), while the other was an "Open Option" Ducati (Iannone), again, virtually identical machines, 2 categories, 2 qualifying sessions.) That is, in the 2 qualifying sessions, some machines got to use what are essentially "qualifying" tires, while most of those in "Qualifying 2" did not have these special super soft tires (once actually called "Qualifying tires")! So in Qualifying 2, all the bikes were full prototype machines, but some qualified with, lets call them "qualifying tires" while others used...well tires used to "qualify".


I'll just assume you know the difference between these "Option" categories, given the fact you clearly have the perspicacity to have us all examine: "why do they qualify?" Surely, the rhetorical question of the year. But please, allow me to elaborate on the futility of "qualifying", as your message was not lost on me, and one for which I concur with the point of your nuanced message presented to us here as an inquiry: "Why do they qualify?" Genuine genius!

aside from the Moto 3 race, this is the highlight of the Le Mans GP
 
No need to deflect Migs. This is a safe zone. Consider this forum 'the circle of trust'. What other questions do u have for us 'ihaveaquestion' (whink whink)? Perhaps: "What are those black things around the wheels?" Or, "Is GP called a motorsport because the motorcycles have motors?"
 

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