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Who is the next great American rider

All those kids Red Bull picked turned out to be duds. Bonsey is a cool guy, but his lack of any road racing experience killed his career.

Blake Young is what, 22-23? Not really able to call him the next best thing, as he'd too old.

Herrin needs Yamaha to move him out of the country, as AMA is doing nothing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Mar 15 2010, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The next great american rider is probably going to be some kid that nobody has ever heard of. He might not even have started racing yet. But when he finally gets his chance on the world stage, you'll know it's something special.
His name is Benny Solis.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 15 2010, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>p.j. jacobsen
Frost, they had a few former rookies cup riders in Daytona racing the supersport class. Its a shame they don't televise this event, it was some of the best racing of the weekend.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 15 2010, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All those kids Red Bull picked turned out to be duds. Bonsey is a cool guy, but his lack of any road racing experience killed his career.

Blake Young is what, 22-23? Not really able to call him the next best thing, as he'd too old.

Herrin needs Yamaha to move him out of the country, as AMA is doing nothing.
Speaking of Red Bull kids, i did not know until this weekend that Benny Solis and Hayden Gillem were racing the WERA National Series. The first race was this weekend at Roebling and from what im hearing, Solis was VERY impressive in the 600 class, like winning impressive.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 14 2010, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's about maintaining a series that develops great riders. Great riders aren't developed in a series that features 2 or 3 competitive bikes in the premier 1000cc and 600cc classes b/c nobody gets to the edge unless they are being pushed. Parts homologation increases the amount of competitive equipment available to the teams so the riders can develop by pushing one another to the edge.

Because the manufacturers are broke and the fanbase has been killed by bad racing, AMA superbikes lack some important racing-spec components like suspension and swingarms.


No you would like to think it is about a series that whatevers. The very simple question was "Who is the next great American rider"?


You just want to argue that dmg/ama doesn't suck. But sir they do. Now back to the very easy opinion orientated question, who's next?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Mar 16 2010, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No you would like to think it is about a series that whatevers. The very simple question was "Who is the next great American rider"?


You just want to argue that dmg/ama doesn't suck. But sir they do. Now back to the very easy opinion orientated question, who's next?

The question was essentially rhetorical. As a matter of necessity the conversation evolved into a debate about which prospects could be fast and what they needed to make it to the next level. I like to focus on the racing system and the number of barriers and opportunities it provides to burgeoning American talent. Plenty of people have commented.

Answer the rhetorical question if you must, but we're not going to digress b/c of your personal affliction.
 
Personal affliction. Please are you refering to my post or your over the top need to debate.

It was not a rhetorical question. It was a sound question as to who would be not what would cause the next good/great American rider.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Mar 17 2010, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Personal affliction. Please are you refering to my post or your over the top need to debate.

It was not a rhetorical question. It was a sound question as to who would be not what would cause the next good/great American rider.
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Here is my favorite quote in this thread

As a matter of necessity, the conversation evolved into a debate about which prospects could be fast .

A matter of necessity to who? The Masterdebater
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I have been following road racing since the early 70's and i cant remember a time where there wasnt the next superstar just over the horizon. What Happened.

I answered your question, Povol. In my opinion, the old AMA fell apart. There weren't enough competitive bikes, and the only prospect to leave the AMA since Hayden was riding one of the best bikes in the paddock.

The conversation evolved naturally within the first post b/c as Tom pointed out, only one person is in the pipeline of greatness. Everyone else is far removed so the entire conversation was a hypothetical about the prospects and the possible reasons for why there are so few prospects.

So back to your affliction.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 18 2010, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I answered your question, Povol. In my opinion, the old AMA fell apart. There weren't enough competitive bikes, and the only prospect to leave the AMA since Hayden was riding one of the best bikes in the paddock.

The conversation evolved naturally within the first post b/c as Tom pointed out, only one person is in the pipeline of greatness. Everyone else is far removed so the entire conversation was a hypothetical about the prospects and the possible reasons for why there are so few prospects.

So back to your affliction.
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That is a start, at least you say its your opinion instead of stating it as a fact. I still disagree about there not being enough competitive bikes for this reason. The pipeline starts way down in secondary series where bikes are pretty much equal. Then you get to the AMA where in the 750ss, DSB, and ASB, the bikes are pretty much equal, at least for the top 6-8 riders. Lets face it,you dont have to be a guru to build a DSB or an ASB under todays tech specs.Even before DMG,the bikes in SSport and Sstock were very close. A solid bike guy can build a competitive bike in both of those series.With that in mind, there doesnt seem to be the dominant young rider,MAYBE Herrin, that can take one of these series by the throat and separate himself from the pack.If one of the old guys, like Zemke,Yates, Hacking, Hayden wins the ASB title,which seems probable, it will only amplify the lack of young talent in the series. As far as Yosh dominance, i look at Tommy Hayden to counter that theory. He was a 3-4-5 guy when they ran real SB and he is a 2-3-4 guy on the new Yosh SB, Mladin and Spies were the difference and now that both are gone, you will see Yosh beaten on a regular basis, such as Daytona. And i think that would be true if they went back to 2008 rules for the next race. I believe this season in ASB will be a toss up,with multiple winners and a close points race, just like i said it would be for the last 3-4 years when i was telling anyone who would listen, that as soon as Matt and Ben leave, you will see some of the best racing ever. It is now up front instead of 3-8th, and if you went back to real SB tomorrow,none of that would change.There is 5-6 riders who are equal, and no matter what you put them on,they will be equal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 18 2010, 06:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is a start, at least you say its your opinion instead of stating it as a fact. I still disagree about there not being enough competitive bikes for this reason. The pipeline starts way down in secondary series where bikes are pretty much equal. Then you get to the AMA where in the 750ss, DSB, and ASB, the bikes are pretty much equal, at least for the top 6-8 riders. Lets face it,you dont have to be a guru to build a DSB or an ASB under todays tech specs.Even before DMG,the bikes in SSport and Sstock were very close. A solid bike guy can build a competitive bike in both of those series.With that in mind, there doesnt seem to be the dominant young rider,MAYBE Herrin, that can take one of these series by the throat and separate himself from the pack.If one of the old guys, like Zemke,Yates, Hacking, Hayden wins the ASB title,which seems probable, it will only amplify the lack of young talent in the series. As far as Yosh dominance, i look at Tommy Hayden to counter that theory. He was a 3-4-5 guy when they ran real SB and he is a 2-3-4 guy on the new Yosh SB, Mladin and Spies were the difference and now that both are gone, you will see Yosh beaten on a regular basis, such as Daytona. And i think that would be true if they went back to 2008 rules for the next race. I believe this season in ASB will be a toss up,with multiple winners and a close points race, just like i said it would be for the last 3-4 years when i was telling anyone who would listen, that as soon as Matt and Ben leave, you will see some of the best racing ever. It is now up front instead of 3-8th, and if you went back to real SB tomorrow,none of that would change.There is 5-6 riders who are equal, and no matter what you put them on,they will be equal.

Povol, there is a reason the AMA refused to adopt WSBK rules year after year. Honda and Kawasaki wanted to play with hotted-up WSS bikes in the FX class, and Suzuki wanted Yosh to build all of the necessary SBK parts. None of them wanted to give up specially built prototype tires. I guess Yamaha were content to play in SS; however, the new R1 would probably have been drastically better in old SBK and old SStk so maybe they were just lying in wait.

Mat and Ben definitely contributed to uncompetitive racing at the front, but the 1 minute victories they routinely notched over the rest of the field were most likely the result of the AMA rulebook, the tires, and the historical fallout from the traction control debacle. Even if the AMA had adopted the WSBK rulebook, the Mat & Ben show would have continued (as you mentioned), but riders on other brands would have inherited better equipment.

The entire AMA arrangement was ridiculous when compared to the competitive arrangement in WSBK.

1. RE took care of the equipment.
2. Atlas is attempting to repair bridges that Edmdondson burned when he changed the regs
3. Hopefully, the economy will recover and privateers will be flush with cash so they can hire better talent in the US and abroad.

The AMA is a better competitive environment than BSB. We've got more venues, and much better tax laws and standard of living. If you tell British and Australian riders they can knock down six digits while living in Miami or SoCal, people will show up. Plus, the AMA is a privateer series so they can ride whatever bike suits their fancy.

When you have an international field of top-flight riders, all riders (including Americans) benefit. Look how stacked things were in the late 750 era.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (truent @ Mar 21 2010, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>John Hopkins.

I love the fact that i killed this thread with his name..

hah