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which rookie on top

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Katt

im only new here .... so excuse me if this post has already been done.

but which rookie do you think will finish on top for 2006?

if vermeulen were riding something better i'd put dibs on him
pedrosa or stoner, is where the arguement lies.

cmon aussie .... im in for stoner
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hi katt and welcome!

i think the general opinion on here would be pedrosa but it'd be nice to see as many of the new boys get up at the front and mix it with the big guns
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Feb 11 2006, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa.
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why does'nt this surprise me?!!!
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but i'll have to agree. danni gonna out shine the others
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welcome katt
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Welcome to the site Katt, hope you enjoy yourself.

Vermeulen just doesn't have a solid bike under him so that's a disadvantage already against Pedrosa, Stoner and de Puniet. Another thing is Vermeulen is going to have to take some time adjusting his style to suit a GP machine compared to the way he's been riding a CBR1kRR for the past few seasons. I like CV but I don't think he'll win this one.

I think it has to be Pedrosa, he's going to have the best team around him and seems to have the most pure talent. Although Stoner will give him a good run for his money and don't overlook de Puniet, he has proven race pace in all his tests thus far.
 
It's too early to say Suzuki is crap, Hopper did some interesting laptimes in Qatar. You know Suzuki makes a good bike once each decade, maybe Vermeulen is a lucky guy.

Frosty you can bet on Dani to kick ... !!!
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Although the kid is under a lot of pressure, all of Spain expects him to win races, and Repsol's CEO told him, "we know this is your first year, so you need to adapt to the category, but I'm going to be honest, we expect you to be 2nd and next year win the championship! "
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dazza @ Feb 12 2006, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa for sure, but never know with Stoner...

Yeah, you never know when he's gonna crash
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Pedrosa for sure. The kid's got three titles under his belt already, plus a factory Honda . And he's only about 20 years old.

Stoner next purely because he's got an RCV.

Vermulen Vs. De Puniet will be good, though. I think De Puniet's got the advantage of a better bike and faster adaptation from 250 not SBK, but I really think Vermulen's got talent. He really took it to Corser late in the championship last year, blitzing more than his fair share of SBK races, and he's fresh, not older like other SBK graduates. But I think depuniet's got the edge on him in '06
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Feb 11 2006, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Although the kid is under a lot of pressure, all of Spain expects him to win races, and Repsol's CEO told him, "we know this is your first year, so you need to adapt to the category, but I'm going to be honest, we expect you to be 2nd and next year win the championship! "
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wow!!! no pressure there uh!
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i hope the kids got strong bones! thats a lot of weight on his shoulders!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Feb 12 2006, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vermulen Vs. De Puniet will be good, though. I think De Puniet's got the advantage of a better bike and faster adaptation from 250 not SBK, but I really think Vermulen's got talent. He really took it to Corser late in the championship last year, blitzing more than his fair share of SBK races, and he's fresh, not older like other SBK graduates. But I think depuniet's got the edge on him in '06
when the 4strokes came to gps, i was of the opinion that the sbk guy's were gonna do really well... well i was mistaken. the gp guys still ruled. it took hayden 3 seasons to get reletivly competetive & consistent ( toward the end of the year at least). edwards is consistent, but consistently 5th or 6th, is'nt that impressive. all the other superbike guy's have left without making any kind of impact. so i think de puiet will have the edge, simply because he's coming from gp. but i think chris is more talented than randy.
 
I think SBK riders have an easier job adapting to the MotoGP bikes, it's not that SBKs are similar to MGPs, but 250cc are worlds apart from MGPs. They have less than half of horsepower, and much lighter (around 50 to 60 Kg less).

The only advantage 250cc riders have is that they know all the tracks (except Laguna) and WSBK guys have never been in many of the MGP tracks.
 
But a GP bike is lighter and more powerful than a SBK, and the way they're tuned, the engines rev like two strokes, they just give smoother power and more of it. like a 2 stroke, a 990 still suits a GP (125/250/500) riding style more than a SBK.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Feb 13 2006, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They have less than half of horsepower, and much lighter (around 50 to 60 Kg less).

What does your average 250GP bike weigh in at, Teo? Must be around 100kg. .... that's light! And the 125s would be even smaller!
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250cc are 100kg and around 110 hp

On 125cc there is no limit on the bike, there is a limit on the bike+rider combo (136kg) to avoid little light guys to have advantage over heavier bulkier riders.
The limit used to be 80kg on bike only, some people in Spain say they brought this 136kg combo thing to try prevent Dani from winning, dunno what to think, but it failed anyways.
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125cc have around 60 hp.
 
That's amazing. If a 990 was making the same power per litre, it'd be making more than 400 hp. They're amazing little bikes aren't they?
I had no Idea they could make a bike that light, or a small bore that powerful!
 
They are 2 strokes mate. Theoritecally they could double the power of 4 stroke engine given the same displacement. Practically they give around 70% more power than the same diplacement 4 stroke.

On 4-strokes behalf I must say they are not looking for max power, but for good all range torque. They could easily have 300 hp but it wouldn't be useful, not enough grip.

On behalf of 125cc and 250cc they are limited to 1 and 2 cylinders respectively, if that restriction didn't exist and we had 6 cylinder 125cc bikes like in the good ole times (60s) we would be talking about 100hp at over 20 000 rpm 125 engines.
 
Yeah I know they're two strokes, and Ive heard about some amazing small bores from the 60's and 70's, but I'm still amazed. I was under the impression 125s made about 45hp... maybe that's stock?
 
Hmmm,now testing is becoming clearer it seems that Dani has done the bulk up work and its paying off,I take my hat off to the lad.That aside ,De Puniet is making waves.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL666 @ Feb 15 2006, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmmm,now testing is becoming clearer it seems that Dani has done the bulk up work and its paying off,I take my hat off to the lad.That aside ,De Puniet is making waves.


Indeed.


Nice to see you around too Drill
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