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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Katt @ May 21 2006, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im staying out of this one from now on ...had too many arguements over caseys ignorance and cocky attitude with richo ... i give up ...
richo your right and i can't be ...... protecting Stoner anymore
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P.S. Teo ... i stole ur tetris championship ..just about doubled ur score too
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HAHA! VICTORY! Now for the conqistador-style forced conversion

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Come over to the dark side, Katt
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 21 2006, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HAHA! VICTORY! Now for the conqistador-style forced conversion

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Come over to the dark side, Katt

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im not a casey hater like you richo ... i just dont have enough good comebacks to win in defending him
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Katt @ May 21 2006, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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im not a casey hater like you richo ... i just dont have enough good comebacks to win in defending him
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Fair enough.....
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Just so you know I got nothing against Stoner fans, just Stoner himself.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 22 2006, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair enough.....
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Just so you know I got nothing against Stoner fans, just Stoner himself.
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same deal with me how i feel about West ... nothing against his fans ... just him.

HAHAHA SUCK .... WEST ... didn't rain for u fuker did it!
 
G'day all. First time poster... long time motogp fan.

Richo,

What's with all the Casey bashing? As far as I can tell, you are Australian, so why not show some patriotism and get behind him. Agreed he has said some things that show some imaturity but lets not forget he is only 20! I assume your judgement is somewhat based on his comments at phillip island last year. He has matured quite a bit this year. In fact he was one of the first riders to congratulate Dani on coming second at Jerez and shook Danis hand after the Shanghai GP (if you caught it on TV). As for calling him crashy... he hasn't crahed in a race this year yet (unlike your hero Dani).

On the subject of best rookie... I think Dani and Casey have awesome jobs so far. We'll have to wait 'til the end of the season before we can really pass judgement but both are looking strong so far. I think they have a healthy rivalry that is good for the sport and I hope this continues for years to come. Sure is a breath of fresh air from last year!!!

Also I don't agree with your comments on a 250gp bike being easier to ride than a motogp bike. The 990's are definitley more physical but are more forgiving and flexible. 250's are peaky, razor edged things that can bite very quickly and are difficult to ride fast. Perhaps one of the reasons 250 riders seem to find the transition to motogp easier then ex superbikers. I can back these comments because I have ridden both a 250gp bike and a privateer superbike. The superbike has a lot more power but is easier to ride.

Anyhoo... keep the discussion coming. I like hearing different points of view, and really enjoy seeing Aussies do well - go Casey and Chris!!!
 
Welcome to the site, mate. As I said before I got nothing against Stoner fans. It`s good to have another Aussie on the site. Where you from? And you`ve raced before? When and where?

Now, in answer to that loooooong post. Most of my Crashey-bashing comes from the fact that I simply don`t like him. Don`t take it seriously. I`m sure most of the members here have learned to ignore it. Apart from Katt,
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I don`t like him really because I think he`s too cocky. He dosent hate other riders like Biaggi did, he just thinks he`s better than them. In my opinion his arrogance has grown with his rise to the top. And so has my dislike for him. His comments at PI last year and what happened at that race have a lot to do with it, but I was no Stoner fan before that. When I first saw him race somthing about him irritated me, now whatever he says seems to tick me off. And you gotta admit he says some pretty cocky stuff.
I can admit he`s a damn good rider, but being a fan of Bayliss, who has an image as a really nice guy, and was even freindly with his greatest rival Colin Edwards, to have an Aussie rider act the way Stoner does annoys me, you know?
I do support Aussie riders, like Corser, Vermulen, Mladin, Pitt, ect. And some of them have been or are arrogant sometimes (ie. Maldin) But I feel as though they`ve earned the right to be so. Stoner is so young and instead of keeping his head low and staying modest like Vemulen, he allready thinks he`s the best. Honestly, mate, don`t take too much notice of the Crashey-bashing, it`s just a personal thing for me that`ll probably never change.

It`s good to have a member who can recognise the talent of both Stoner and Pedrosa too, most of us (including myself, of course
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) firmly belive one is better than the other. And Dani`s not my hero either. He`s Teo`s hero. I just get amazed by what he can do so early in his premier-class career, especially considering his physical limitations. (Short ....... Syndrome)

About 250s and 990s, I cant remember exactly what I said. I`ll assume I was talking about the rookies coming up and Dani, Cra- I mean Stoner
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, and Depuniet adjusting to the bigger bikes. If so than I would have been talking only about the physical side of riding the bike and the fitness level, ect. I can respect your experience in racing and I can agree that a 990 may be easier to ride than a 250, but it can`t be easier to ride at the pace reqired to be competitive in motoGP. If that were the case then rookies wouldn`t have any trouble at all. Another thing to note is the gobs of power a motoGP bike is tuned to make would make it a lot more peaky than a Superbike, and I imagine it would be more like a 150kg 250hp 250, with the same unfreindly power delivery, only with more of it, a lot more weight and the ability to go a lot faster which in turn makes things harder again.

I think that covers everything. I`m looking forward to more Discussion with you, Wheelman, you seem like a pretty intresting guy and I`m eager to learn what I can from your race experience. I`ll even try to be a little (but not too much
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) softer on Crashey now that he`s got a really serious fan on this forum. Agian, welcome!
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EDIT: Jesus Christ that was a long post, wasn`t it?
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YAY! Someone else is defending Stoner besides me!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wheelman @ May 22 2006, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyhoo... keep the discussion coming. I like hearing different points of view, and really enjoy seeing Aussies do well - go Casey and Chris!!!
oooo he support Vermuelen .... your really in my good books now ahahahaha....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 22 2006, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Westy really needs the rain, dosen`t he?

sure does! ... and i would've said the same about Suzuki ... but Hopper seems to be proving that theory wrong now.
 
Yeah, I'm not a fan of cocky arrogant riders either... haven't seen too much evidence of it from Stoner other than PI last year. Maybe I've missed some of it...? As far as I can tell he has been OK this season. After his pole at qatar he mentioned he didn't expect that sort of result for at least a year. I think he has improved as a sportsman too... he shook Danis hand and gave him the thumbs up after shaghai. Think his unusual upbringing might have something to do with it... he was taken out of school pretty young to race in europe.. was probably always a lot of expectation and pressure to live up to... have I swayed you yet??

Big fan of Bayliss too, just a shame his style didn't cross over to become a competitive motogp rider.

Yep, did some racing waaay back in 98 & 99 on a 600 supersport machine... just at club and state level in NSW (mainly eastern creek and oran park), but have ridden at most other tracks on the east coast (PI is a favourite!!) Got to B grade then have to give it away because of uni committments. Plan to get back into it soon. Borrowed a mates 250gp bike for a couple of sessions of a ride day way back and rode a GSXR750 superbike during a teams event at wakefiled park back in 99. Both awesome machines... definitley harder to get the best from the gp bike... they have such a narrow powerband and have amazing cornering capabilities.

Assuming you all caught Le Mans last night. Dani and Stoner very strong again - only a few seconds in it at the end. Seems Danis tyres went off at the end whereas stoner came on strong - he seems to be able to run fast on worn tyres...interseting..?

Bad luck to Rossi, but it sure is making the championship intersesting,

'scuse the long post... again!
 
Welcome to the site, Wheelman. It's going to be very close as to who comes out on top at the end of the season. I've liked Stoner since he came up in 125s but I'm not sure how it will come out. Good posts mate, looking forward to seeing more from you.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wheelman @ May 22 2006, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I'm not a fan of cocky arrogant riders either... haven't seen too much evidence of it from Stoner other than PI last year. Maybe I've missed some of it...? As far as I can tell he has been OK this season. After his pole at qatar he mentioned he didn't expect that sort of result for at least a year. I think he has improved as a sportsman too... he shook Danis hand and gave him the thumbs up after shaghai. Think his unusual upbringing might have something to do with it... he was taken out of school pretty young to race in europe.. was probably always a lot of expectation and pressure to live up to... have I swayed you yet??

I didn`t notice his good sportsmanship, and I`m not saying he`s a bad sportsman, but this season he`s done a lot of blaming the bike and while I know he was sick in Qatar, I got the impression he exaggedrated a bit as an excuse for falling back you know? A lot of coughing and stuff in front of the cameras. And after Istanbul he did a lot of shooting off about how Rossi said at Qatar he needs to learn to ride on worn tyres (which is a skill all rookies must learn, not somthing that comes naturally) and he was saying Rossi had been wrong and blamed the ilness again, which was aparrently affecting a few riders on the grid. And he went on to say that he thought he was the best on worn tyres in the late part of the race, which was when Melandri got past him. Dosen`t sound like the best to me.
Well that`s what Ive noticed, anyway.

As for your racing, sound intresting, I`d like to get into a bit of club stuff when I get back, Mainly QLD raceway and Morgan Park, and the tracks around here (I only lived in queensland, don`t judge me, im not a Queenslander
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Debate sealed off as Pedrosa won the title of Rookie of the Year!!
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83 points ahead of Stoner. I guess it could have been closer...but Casey crashed a lot.


From the rookie this year Pedrosa stand imediatly out, Stoner showed he is quick, Vermeulen that his very, very good but needs a decent ride, as for Randy DePuniet... a decent job this season he will go on next year on Kawasaki.

So the table of the Rookies is, as the two last races can't chenge it's order:
1.Pedrosa 5th 201 points
2.Stoner 6th 119points
3.Vermeulen 12th 90points
4.Randy De Puniet 16th 31points
 

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