the best way to see things is with ur own eyes and that why im still saying neil is a has bin
now wheres my white stick gone
now wheres my white stick gone
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Well, for a guy whos been voted MCN guy of the year twice...............and MCN is the most read bike publication in the UK.........he must have done something right, oh yeah, its called winning WORLD titles. Idont give a crap what people say about machinery, there are 1001 factors to wining world titles in any sport.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Jan 19 2006, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And really BSB and AMA don't really rate they are a level below WSBK so whats he really done, not a lot.
Thats crap Marbles I'm afraid. Each series is just as competative at the "top" series, its the same in any sport. Non-league football is just as competative and the Premieship is.
Where is talent supposed to come from? How do riders develop and progress through to the top flight? The lads who are busting a gut to entertain joe public shouldnt be mocked, granted, thats their choosen career path and they know the risks of bike racing................but tell that to the parents of that yould 15 year old who was killed in a 125 race (Rossi Rules 46 posted about it a few months ago).
Bike racing is tough at ALL levels, from 400club racing to top flight motoGP...............it takes more than superb machinery to knock out race wins week after week.
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I have a very laid back approach to moderating this site, and healthy arguments are great fun. But posting deliberatly to antagonise other members isnt apprecaited, nor will it be allowed.
When someone posts:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Anymore of this disrespect to ANY rider and you can take my forum resignation-
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Lets keep the critiquing constructive huh!
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Back on topic.....................................Checa..............
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Jan 19 2006, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And really BSB and AMA don't really rate they are a level below WSBK so whats he really done, not a lot.
Thats crap Marbles I'm afraid. Each series is just as competative at the "top" series, its the same in any sport. Non-league football is just as competative and the Premieship is.
Where is talent supposed to come from? How do riders develop and progress through to the top flight? The lads who are busting a gut to entertain joe public shouldnt be mocked, granted, thats their choosen career path and they know the risks of bike racing................but tell that to the parents of that yould 15 year old who was killed in a 125 race (Rossi Rules 46 posted about it a few months ago).
Bike racing is tough at ALL levels, from 400club racing to top flight motoGP...............it takes more than superb machinery to knock out race wins week after week.
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Also just a reminder to people:
I have a very laid back approach to moderating this site, and healthy arguments are great fun. But posting deliberatly to antagonise other members isnt apprecaited, nor will it be allowed.
When someone posts:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Anymore of this disrespect to ANY rider and you can take my forum resignation-
as the forum admin I will stamp it out.......period.
Lets keep the critiquing constructive huh!
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Back on topic.....................................Checa..............
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL666 @ Jan 19 2006, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.Anymore of this disrespect to ANY rider and you can take my forum resignation-
drill does this also include max the tool biaggi?
ben u know marbles is the biggest .... slinger on the forum! he's gettin u all goin good
drill does this also include max the tool biaggi?
ben u know marbles is the biggest .... slinger on the forum! he's gettin u all goin good
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Thats crap Marbles I'm afraid. Each series is just as competative at the "top" series, its the same in any sport. Non-league football is just as competative and the Premieship is.
Ben are trying to tell me the Football Premiership is worth as much as Non League championship, get real try telling that Man United fans. They are in total different leagues. I will say again the AMA and BSB championships are not woth as much as a WSBK title, for the reason that several AMA and BSB riders have come WSBK and done nothing
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>for a guy whos been voted MCN guy of the year twice
Pommy magazine, Majority pommy readership who else they gonna vote for that dosn't rate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>but tell that to the parents of that yould 15 year old who was killed in a 125 race (Rossi Rules 46 posted about it a few months ago).
Hey no one would wish that on anyone, but its one of the risks of the sport and life in general, can't see whats got to do with the subject.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>the forum admin I will stamp it out.......period
Ouch I better shutup, I might get hurt no more fun
Ben are trying to tell me the Football Premiership is worth as much as Non League championship, get real try telling that Man United fans. They are in total different leagues. I will say again the AMA and BSB championships are not woth as much as a WSBK title, for the reason that several AMA and BSB riders have come WSBK and done nothing
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>for a guy whos been voted MCN guy of the year twice
Pommy magazine, Majority pommy readership who else they gonna vote for that dosn't rate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>but tell that to the parents of that yould 15 year old who was killed in a 125 race (Rossi Rules 46 posted about it a few months ago).
Hey no one would wish that on anyone, but its one of the risks of the sport and life in general, can't see whats got to do with the subject.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>the forum admin I will stamp it out.......period
Ouch I better shutup, I might get hurt no more fun
This is getting a bit rough, guys. I think we should just shut up about Hodgson. I don't mind debating with yous, cuz I think youre all top blokes, but im not gonna start agrgiung and getting real serious about it. Drill, Ooost, Ben if you think Hodgsosn is a good rider that's fine and I respect that opinion. And I aplogise if I've offended anyone.
But this forum would'nt be any fun if there was no rider bashing. We can't just praise 'em all. We'd look like the Journo's who do the motogp official site newsletter (As in never saying a bad word about anyone)
But this forum would'nt be any fun if there was no rider bashing. We can't just praise 'em all. We'd look like the Journo's who do the motogp official site newsletter (As in never saying a bad word about anyone)
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I'll add another remark here. Marbs you say AMA and BSB and domestic series are a step below WSBK? Is that why AMA Champ Mat Mladin, who hasn't been to PI since 2000, just beat Corser 'round his home track that he has been riding for years now? By four tenths mind you. Get off your WSBK high horse. I love the riders in the series and the racing just as much as the next guy, but the top talent in both AMA and BSB and I'm sure Aus SBK could run at the front of the WSBK series no problem. I say that even with the 2006 competition. WSBK is a great series and I love watching it but the talent in it isn't any better than the domestic series, there just happens to be more of it.
You just remember the next time you want to bash domestic series Marbs, Mladin is faster than anyone in WSBK and that is fact. And this comes from a guy who has grown up hating Mat Mladin.
You just remember the next time you want to bash domestic series Marbs, Mladin is faster than anyone in WSBK and that is fact. And this comes from a guy who has grown up hating Mat Mladin.
Mladin, just remeber its testing Ooost you don't really know what they are doing if guys are doing race setups or stickies in relation to best track conditions. Ya just can't judge it. My question to you Ooost if he is so good why is he hiding away in the USA instead of riding with the big boys chasing a WSBK title. He hasn't proved anything yet. Those domestic series are still not up to the same level as the world series, I don't see how you can say they are, its a level below.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>But this forum would'nt be any fun if there was no rider bashing. We can't just praise 'em all. We'd look like the Journo's who do the motogp official site newsletter (As in never saying a bad word about anyone)
Richo you are exactly right, thats why forums are so good and even better than the news sites, because the journo's have to watch what they say not to offend anyone and ya just get sterial crap out of them, a forum on the other hand were you get a knowlegeable bunch of guys who are not scared to air off the views and not PC or bound by stupid rules can be really informative, funny, and way better than any media. Everyone has to remember is there is someone they don't want to read as you always find on a forum put them on ignore.
I'd rather read a forum than news media anyday of the week. I'd hate to come and find we can't have laugh or sad a bad thing, or poke a bit of borax at a bike/rider/team/track boring. Some of the other news sites run forums but they are pretty weak very controlled cause they don't wanna offend anyone, be ashame if this one went that way cause getting advertising and moving up to a news related site.
Hey Drill ya can always put me on ignore cause I'll still keep trashing riders till Ben ban's me ( all always back it up with a good argument though )
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>But this forum would'nt be any fun if there was no rider bashing. We can't just praise 'em all. We'd look like the Journo's who do the motogp official site newsletter (As in never saying a bad word about anyone)
Richo you are exactly right, thats why forums are so good and even better than the news sites, because the journo's have to watch what they say not to offend anyone and ya just get sterial crap out of them, a forum on the other hand were you get a knowlegeable bunch of guys who are not scared to air off the views and not PC or bound by stupid rules can be really informative, funny, and way better than any media. Everyone has to remember is there is someone they don't want to read as you always find on a forum put them on ignore.
I'd rather read a forum than news media anyday of the week. I'd hate to come and find we can't have laugh or sad a bad thing, or poke a bit of borax at a bike/rider/team/track boring. Some of the other news sites run forums but they are pretty weak very controlled cause they don't wanna offend anyone, be ashame if this one went that way cause getting advertising and moving up to a news related site.
Hey Drill ya can always put me on ignore cause I'll still keep trashing riders till Ben ban's me ( all always back it up with a good argument though )
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 19 2006, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ben u know marbles is the biggest .... slinger on the forum! he's gettin u all goin good
Aye I know he his...............it takes more than a few posts to get me mate
When a member like Drill says he's going to leave - then its time to step inI'm afraid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Jan 20 2006, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ben are trying to tell me the Football Premiership is worth as much as Non League championship, get real try telling that Man United fans. They are in total different leagues. I will say again the AMA and BSB championships are not woth as much as a WSBK title, for the reason that several AMA and BSB riders have come WSBK and done nothing
Pommy magazine, Majority pommy readership who else they gonna vote for that dosn't rate.
Hey no one would wish that on anyone, but its one of the risks of the sport and life in general, can't see whats got to do with the subject.
Ouch I better shutup, I might get hurt no more fun
See, youve missed my point my friend about "lower leagues/champs", I was highlighting the fact each championship is just as competative as the rest, and to dismiss a rider who has won their domestic WSB champs is a bit daftme thinks.
Tell that to the Man United & wimbeldon fans that have defected and started their own teams. Tell that to the thousands of weekend warriors who train & work like hell and then compete at the weekend....................tell that to the thousands of fans who watch BSB & AMA. I never said a BSB title was "worth"more than WSBK, but the bsb produces the creame of the crop of many UK riders.............its a great championship and is set to grow this year and a terestial TV station is showing all the races live, the sport is going to rocket!! If WSBK doesnt get TV coverage,we might well see bsb taking over wsb in the UK.
Have you ever done sport competitley? You'd you what I mean if you had.
Re: MCN....................yes its UK based.......aint gonna win that one!!
Re: Risks, I mentioned that because of the fact these guys put there necks on the line each time they race for OUR entertainment.............dont forget that!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 20 2006, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is getting a bit rough, guys. I think we should just shut up about Hodgson. I don't mind debating with yous, cuz I think youre all top blokes, but im not gonna start agrgiung and getting real serious about it. Drill, Ooost, Ben if you think Hodgsosn is a good rider that's fine and I respect that opinion. And I aplogise if I've offended anyone.
But this forum would'nt be any fun if there was no rider bashing. We can't just praise 'em all. We'd look like the Journo's who do the motogp official site newsletter (As in never saying a bad word about anyone)
Agreed...................but theres a fineline between critiqing & bashing!!
As I said before, we have yet to delete a members post, lock a thread or warn anyone for bad behaviour
I'm not saying stop rider critiqing, jees.............but trolling and baiting other members to stir the .... wont be allowed.
Peace out.
Now.............................checa
Aye I know he his...............it takes more than a few posts to get me mate
When a member like Drill says he's going to leave - then its time to step inI'm afraid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Jan 20 2006, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ben are trying to tell me the Football Premiership is worth as much as Non League championship, get real try telling that Man United fans. They are in total different leagues. I will say again the AMA and BSB championships are not woth as much as a WSBK title, for the reason that several AMA and BSB riders have come WSBK and done nothing
Pommy magazine, Majority pommy readership who else they gonna vote for that dosn't rate.
Hey no one would wish that on anyone, but its one of the risks of the sport and life in general, can't see whats got to do with the subject.
Ouch I better shutup, I might get hurt no more fun
See, youve missed my point my friend about "lower leagues/champs", I was highlighting the fact each championship is just as competative as the rest, and to dismiss a rider who has won their domestic WSB champs is a bit daftme thinks.
Tell that to the Man United & wimbeldon fans that have defected and started their own teams. Tell that to the thousands of weekend warriors who train & work like hell and then compete at the weekend....................tell that to the thousands of fans who watch BSB & AMA. I never said a BSB title was "worth"more than WSBK, but the bsb produces the creame of the crop of many UK riders.............its a great championship and is set to grow this year and a terestial TV station is showing all the races live, the sport is going to rocket!! If WSBK doesnt get TV coverage,we might well see bsb taking over wsb in the UK.
Have you ever done sport competitley? You'd you what I mean if you had.
Re: MCN....................yes its UK based.......aint gonna win that one!!
Re: Risks, I mentioned that because of the fact these guys put there necks on the line each time they race for OUR entertainment.............dont forget that!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 20 2006, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is getting a bit rough, guys. I think we should just shut up about Hodgson. I don't mind debating with yous, cuz I think youre all top blokes, but im not gonna start agrgiung and getting real serious about it. Drill, Ooost, Ben if you think Hodgsosn is a good rider that's fine and I respect that opinion. And I aplogise if I've offended anyone.
But this forum would'nt be any fun if there was no rider bashing. We can't just praise 'em all. We'd look like the Journo's who do the motogp official site newsletter (As in never saying a bad word about anyone)
Agreed...................but theres a fineline between critiqing & bashing!!
As I said before, we have yet to delete a members post, lock a thread or warn anyone for bad behaviour
I'm not saying stop rider critiqing, jees.............but trolling and baiting other members to stir the .... wont be allowed.
Peace out.
Now.............................checa
ben b4 we close on neil, ive seen him ride in bsb, wsb and moto gp so my thoughts on him r my own view,
yes on forums things sumtimes get out of hand but where i started my point was hes a back runner who won bsb then when only bayliss and edwards left did we really c him up front on a consistent basis,
i just cant believe or like any 1 who cums into moto gp for 1 year then jacks in, if he can ride then ud get a ride in gp.. but hey if u want lets move on..
yes on forums things sumtimes get out of hand but where i started my point was hes a back runner who won bsb then when only bayliss and edwards left did we really c him up front on a consistent basis,
i just cant believe or like any 1 who cums into moto gp for 1 year then jacks in, if he can ride then ud get a ride in gp.. but hey if u want lets move on..
oh mcn thats the paper that said in 04 rossi woudnt win the title because hed have engine trouble
anyway im staying stum now......................for a bit anyway
anyway im staying stum now......................for a bit anyway
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Jan 20 2006, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ben b4 we close on neil, ive seen him ride in bsb, wsb and moto gp so my thoughts on him r my own view,
yes on forums things sumtimes get out of hand but where i started my point was hes a back runner who won bsb then when only bayliss and edwards left did we really c him up front on a consistent basis,
i just cant believe or like any 1 who cums into moto gp for 1 year then jacks in, if he can ride then ud get a ride in gp.. but hey if u want lets move on..
I think he got a ...... ride and wasnt happy at the back with d'antin.................plus I believe he went to ama coz of the $$$
Maybe he should have stuck at it for longer in GP, I cant remember if he was sacked or he quit.................but you just have to look at James Ellison to see an example of sticking it out with inferior machinery
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Jan 20 2006, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh mcn thats the paper that said in 04 rossi woudnt win the title because hed have engine trouble
anyway im staying stum now......................for a bit anyway
hahaha............I just used mcn as an example as it has the higest circulation for biking press
yes on forums things sumtimes get out of hand but where i started my point was hes a back runner who won bsb then when only bayliss and edwards left did we really c him up front on a consistent basis,
i just cant believe or like any 1 who cums into moto gp for 1 year then jacks in, if he can ride then ud get a ride in gp.. but hey if u want lets move on..
I think he got a ...... ride and wasnt happy at the back with d'antin.................plus I believe he went to ama coz of the $$$
Maybe he should have stuck at it for longer in GP, I cant remember if he was sacked or he quit.................but you just have to look at James Ellison to see an example of sticking it out with inferior machinery
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Jan 20 2006, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh mcn thats the paper that said in 04 rossi woudnt win the title because hed have engine trouble
anyway im staying stum now......................for a bit anyway
hahaha............I just used mcn as an example as it has the higest circulation for biking press
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Jan 19 2006, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Drill mate you gonna flounce??
Hey we gotta be able to compare, argue and poke fun at riders otherwise this will be a pretty boring place.
So please Drill I'm waiting for your argument
Neils done the job,end of chat.And thers having a laugh and being disrespectful to riders,a few on here need to know the difference.BTW I`m not the most articulate in debates BUT I have strong views on the entertainment that ALL riders give us.Cheers Ben,for putting it constructively.
So please Drill I'm waiting for your argument
Neils done the job,end of chat.And thers having a laugh and being disrespectful to riders,a few on here need to know the difference.BTW I`m not the most articulate in debates BUT I have strong views on the entertainment that ALL riders give us.Cheers Ben,for putting it constructively.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Jan 19 2006, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mladin, just remeber its testing Ooost you don't really know what they are doing if guys are doing race setups or stickies in relation to best track conditions. Ya just can't judge it. My question to you Ooost if he is so good why is he hiding away in the USA instead of riding with the big boys chasing a WSBK title.
Mladin doesn't use stickies, Dunlop doesn't provide them for AMA riders because they don't have Michelin, Bridgestone or Pirelli factory competition to thump on so one lap wonders aren't necessary here. The reason Mladin is still here in the US is because he likes being the big fish in the small pond. It bothers me because he has factory interest in WSB and at least satellite interest in MotoGP. In his defense he likes not having to fly around the world every week so he has more time to be with his family and I respect that. End of story there.
Back to Neil, he may have won in 2003 without Edwards, Bayliss, Haga or Bostrom but the fact is that he still beat a fair amount of riders who make up WSB today. And yes he was embarrassed in MotoGP but look where the other D'Antin Ducati riders have ended up, WSB. Been there done that for Neil. He could have stuck it out on inferior machinery in MotoGP like James Ellison but Hodgson doesn't have youth and potential on his side like Ellison. Hodgson is at the peak of his career and if he wasn't going to get a factory or at least a competitive ride then there is no reason for him to be there.
End of story, hope I didn't ruffle any feathers or upset anyone too badly. Unless it was Marbs then I'm not too concerned.
Good chat all, let's do it again soon.
Mladin doesn't use stickies, Dunlop doesn't provide them for AMA riders because they don't have Michelin, Bridgestone or Pirelli factory competition to thump on so one lap wonders aren't necessary here. The reason Mladin is still here in the US is because he likes being the big fish in the small pond. It bothers me because he has factory interest in WSB and at least satellite interest in MotoGP. In his defense he likes not having to fly around the world every week so he has more time to be with his family and I respect that. End of story there.
Back to Neil, he may have won in 2003 without Edwards, Bayliss, Haga or Bostrom but the fact is that he still beat a fair amount of riders who make up WSB today. And yes he was embarrassed in MotoGP but look where the other D'Antin Ducati riders have ended up, WSB. Been there done that for Neil. He could have stuck it out on inferior machinery in MotoGP like James Ellison but Hodgson doesn't have youth and potential on his side like Ellison. Hodgson is at the peak of his career and if he wasn't going to get a factory or at least a competitive ride then there is no reason for him to be there.
End of story, hope I didn't ruffle any feathers or upset anyone too badly. Unless it was Marbs then I'm not too concerned.
BSB and AMA are just as good as WSBK. (But not BSB because there's no Aussie on a Suzi winning it
)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Unless it was Marbs then I'm not too concerned.
Gee Ooost thats a bit rough, no need to worry though I got pretty thick skin
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>And thers having a laugh and being disrespectful to riders
Gonna be a bit of a boring place then isn't it Drill, ya have to get a thicker skin mate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Mladin doesn't use stickies
Ooost you just dunno what he might have tried, been there with the WSB guys wouldn't suprise me if he didn't try some of there stuff, the point is ya just don't know!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>And thers having a laugh and being disrespectful to riders
Gonna be a bit of a boring place then isn't it Drill, ya have to get a thicker skin mate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Mladin doesn't use stickies
Ooost you just dunno what he might have tried, been there with the WSB guys wouldn't suprise me if he didn't try some of there stuff, the point is ya just don't know!!
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According to the interview with Mladin he claims he used top shelf Dunlop rubber, not a sticky but race rubber. The same tire Roby Rolfo used at PI to set a 1.33.8, Mladin did a 1.32.2. And Marbs you know I just give you .... because I know you can take it.
Anyways, back on topic. I've just read the latest rumor is Checa will NOT be given a factory Ducati WSB alongside Bayliss. Rather, it looks likely he will go to the Tech 3 Yamaha team and the Michelin tires he loves so much will be paid for by an outside source.
Anyways, back on topic. I've just read the latest rumor is Checa will NOT be given a factory Ducati WSB alongside Bayliss. Rather, it looks likely he will go to the Tech 3 Yamaha team and the Michelin tires he loves so much will be paid for by an outside source.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jan 20 2006, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it looks likely he will go to the Tech 3 Yamaha team and the Michelin tires he loves so much will be paid for by an outside source.
where did u read this? i thought this checa/yamaha thing was over.
where did u read this? i thought this checa/yamaha thing was over.
Checa's not like Biaggi. As a racer, you never know who you might have to go back to to get a ride. So it helps not to burn every bridge, especially the bridge from all-powerful Honda. Max, that is single handedly the dumbest thing you've ever done. And youve done some dumb stuff
