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Didn't they have a new engine in the works,that is a lot smaller and lighter over all?
Anyway,i think they are trying tons of solutions where to place gearbox,how to tilt the whole engine for the best weight distribution and so on for now.
I guess leaving Ducati boss is quite frustrated.I have a faint memory of him saying to GPone something like: Bridgestone could fix our problem in two weeks,but instead we have to redesign the whole bike as Bridgestone has redesigned their tires from 2006(or there abouts).Very cost ineffective.
I really hope Honda and Yamaha would accept a different tire that would suit Ducati better in the meantime.I mean,Hayden has said they haven't been able to use the hard tire all season!!
Anyway,i think they are trying tons of solutions where to place gearbox,how to tilt the whole engine for the best weight distribution and so on for now.
I guess leaving Ducati boss is quite frustrated.I have a faint memory of him saying to GPone something like: Bridgestone could fix our problem in two weeks,but instead we have to redesign the whole bike as Bridgestone has redesigned their tires from 2006(or there abouts).Very cost ineffective.
I really hope Honda and Yamaha would accept a different tire that would suit Ducati better in the meantime.I mean,Hayden has said they haven't been able to use the hard tire all season!!
If the engine isn't needed as a stressed member, it can be made a little smaller and a lot lighter. But that doesn't get away from its dimensions, which are loooong. That's what makes it difficult to locate in the frame.
The answer is to narrow the angle of the V - but the marketing department says no.
I wonder if they have ever bothered asking riders what they think?
The answer is to narrow the angle of the V - but the marketing department says no.
I wonder if they have ever bothered asking riders what they think?
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The man commenting about Bridgestones was Gobmeier, who's still in charge as Preziosi's replacement. The one who left is Durheimer, a higher level director who appointed Gobmeier.
The 90° angle doesn't seem to be a problem in itself, as Honda is also racing a 90° V engine. The desmo might be more of a problem, because the desmo heads are inevitably taller than a spring or pneumatic distribution and this would become actually worse with a narrower V architecture; Ducati should do what BMW has done, keep their traditional V architecture only for the twins and use an IL4 instead for the 4-cylinder high performance machines, since an IL4 can easily be inclined forward a few degrees more to compensate for the taller heads. If BMW has done it (and the market responded very well), why not Ducati.
If really one of the two traditional features has to go, desmo or V architecture, I think Ducati should keep the desmo, maintaining their only real differentiation with the Japanese: the desmo.
The 90° angle doesn't seem to be a problem in itself, as Honda is also racing a 90° V engine. The desmo might be more of a problem, because the desmo heads are inevitably taller than a spring or pneumatic distribution and this would become actually worse with a narrower V architecture; Ducati should do what BMW has done, keep their traditional V architecture only for the twins and use an IL4 instead for the 4-cylinder high performance machines, since an IL4 can easily be inclined forward a few degrees more to compensate for the taller heads. If BMW has done it (and the market responded very well), why not Ducati.
If really one of the two traditional features has to go, desmo or V architecture, I think Ducati should keep the desmo, maintaining their only real differentiation with the Japanese: the desmo.
Not just the Desmo, also the way the crankcase and gearbox are designed - the Honda is a compact unit with the bulk of the gearbox 'piggybacked' up behind the crankcase, behind the base of the cylinder. Very tidy. The Desmo looks like it's sprawling around the house. 
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But the Duc. is a big bang, and that increases VSG's.
But the Duc. is a big bang, and that increases VSG's.
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very sick gobmeier
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That was an example of how a manufacturer can deviate from their traditional engine architecture, that had become identified with them, without any negative marketing side effects. That in the case of BMW the traditional engine was a 180° boxer rather than a 90° V, doesn't matter.
That was an example of how a manufacturer can deviate from their traditional engine architecture, that had become identified with them, without any negative marketing side effects. That in the case of BMW the traditional engine was a 180° boxer rather than a 90° V, doesn't matter.
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Jarno...I'm not sure an inline 4 is the way to go. Look how much trouble Yamaha has extracting power out of the thing, and they've had difficulty with cooling it in the past.
I believe and the past has shown this, that a V4 motorcycle has been an optimal engine for power and handling. I do agree with you that they may need to change something. Why not keep the desmo on the showroom and do without it in GP racing? Ferrarri doesn't race a V12 anymore, anyway.
I believe and the past has shown this, that a V4 motorcycle has been an optimal engine for power and handling. I do agree with you that they may need to change something. Why not keep the desmo on the showroom and do without it in GP racing? Ferrarri doesn't race a V12 anymore, anyway.
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agreed but i doubt that many people would cry if they changed the cylinder heads. i think air cooling, the clutch, and the trellis are more signiicant to loyal ducati fans.
not sure the problem is the inline 4 for the yamaha, in theory it should be the easiest 4 cylinder configuration to actually extract power.
I think that is more a problem that comes from the uneven firing order and the countershafts reducing power by a couple of horses.
not sure the problem is the inline 4 for the yamaha, in theory it should be the easiest 4 cylinder configuration to actually extract power.
I think that is more a problem that comes from the uneven firing order and the countershafts reducing power by a couple of horses.
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No worries, they'are not going that way. Just my fancy, because I like IL4s. And a desmo IL4 would be something new, at least in motorcycles.
You are right about the Yam, although that was mostly in the 800cc era; with 1000cc the power handicap has become (almost) negligible, as it was with the 990s, and also the overheating problems have disappeared.
And maybe yes, probably nobody would care if Ducati used pneumatic valves instead of desmo in their racing engines. In races the important thing is winning, all the rest is secondary. Regularly losing with your trademark desmo V90 engine is not good publicity anyway...!
No worries, they'are not going that way. Just my fancy, because I like IL4s. And a desmo IL4 would be something new, at least in motorcycles.
You are right about the Yam, although that was mostly in the 800cc era; with 1000cc the power handicap has become (almost) negligible, as it was with the 990s, and also the overheating problems have disappeared.
And maybe yes, probably nobody would care if Ducati used pneumatic valves instead of desmo in their racing engines. In races the important thing is winning, all the rest is secondary. Regularly losing with your trademark desmo V90 engine is not good publicity anyway...!
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Very Sacked Gobmeier ........... ?
Very Sacked Gobmeier ........... ?
