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Will the production version still come with the trademark inbuilt VSG's??
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Oh of course they will!! silly me !! they are a Rossi addition ..... ergo they will cost more .
Oh of course they will!! silly me !! they are a Rossi addition ..... ergo they will cost more .
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Tyres...and fuel...and engines...
Ducati appear to have a robust and powerful engine, a better basis than the RSV, which seems to be hitting a limit....and they'll get lots of them compared to their proto brothers. So the potential is there for them to be faster than the proto (but not other protos).
But it all comes back to the handling and whether tyres can indeed address their issues. Given the dozens of riders that have failed when the tyres weren't controlled, I doubt it. But it'll be a good test of the theories that have been put forward.
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Tyres...and fuel...and engines...
Ducati appear to have a robust and powerful engine, a better basis than the RSV, which seems to be hitting a limit....and they'll get lots of them compared to their proto brothers. So the potential is there for them to be faster than the proto (but not other protos).
But it all comes back to the handling and whether tyres can indeed address their issues. Given the dozens of riders that have failed when the tyres weren't controlled, I doubt it. But it'll be a good test of the theories that have been put forward.
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Right on. That's exactly the thought I had. In fact I wouldnt doubt if the silent partner fielding such a team would be Duc Corse. Can u imagine the special tire & extra fuel unlock the Ducs potential beating their own prototype? Ha!
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158 laps of testing and Hayden found 'a different anti-wheelie solution'. Duc making giant leaps, it seems.
http://superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130705b.htm
http://superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130705b.htm
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At Ducati the crisis is extending even to the once excellent Superbikes. A new GP bike is being designed on the basis of the experiences with the current laboratory bike that Pirro rides, but it is not going to be seen before Valencia. Until then there will be only minor updates, like the latest variation of the frame that Dovi might use at Sachsenring. Nothing dramatic is expected out of it.
Jarno, I wrote ages ago that I thought the original concept was very flawed as only Casey could ride it, that says a lot about a bike, now they have the same concept wrapped around their superbike engine and the results look similar, we have had many "revolutionary" concepts over the years and no matter what advantages they claim to offer they all fade in time, the big four are not stupid and even Kawasaki and Suzuki made the "proven" concept competitive considering their small budgets, Ducat need to stop trying to drag their old machine forward and do what needs to be done ie use the "proven" concept, look at what Suzuki have done with their new bike. Moto GP is a very Knife edge sport now and far removed from the point and squirt days of the 990s. Ducati need to start again.
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The problem is that the separation between the engineering department and the riders is now bigger than ever. Durheimer, the man who made Preziosi leave, has been fired in turn. No clear direction is visible. Maybe it's all part of a process, but things are worse now than they were 1 year ago.
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I suppose it comes down to why Ducati go racing - to win or to learn how to engineer or to provide a marketing platform? Their engine gives good power, given their top speed, but their handling is still, even six years down the line, suspect.
They have thrown massive resources at the project, completely changing their chassis design, but aren't getting much further along - well, another 20km/h faster in top speed, but lap times have stayed static (Catalunya 2013 and 2007 lap times were almost identical).
What haven't they changed? The engine configuration. What has every rider said is the problem? The location of the engine. It compromises tyre temps, wear, front end feel, rear grip...
Hayden has found improvements in anti-wheelie. I'll bet he's rapt. So the engine is powerful enough. What he can't do is put down consistent race-pace lap times and get consistent wear from the tyres.
IMO, if they are serious about winning races again, they need to dump the L-4 and either go narrow-angle V4 or straight 4. They've done damned near everything else.
For that to happen, they need to get out from under the corporate management thumb and be allowed to build a bike to win races. In the heyday of the 500cc era did Honda make a street 5 cylinder two-stroke? Every other manufacturer makes a race replica from what they were successfully racing. Only Ducati makes a race bike from what they successfully sell to riders on the road. (well, the Desmosedici was 'race-bred', but...)
I suppose it comes down to why Ducati go racing - to win or to learn how to engineer or to provide a marketing platform? Their engine gives good power, given their top speed, but their handling is still, even six years down the line, suspect.
They have thrown massive resources at the project, completely changing their chassis design, but aren't getting much further along - well, another 20km/h faster in top speed, but lap times have stayed static (Catalunya 2013 and 2007 lap times were almost identical).
What haven't they changed? The engine configuration. What has every rider said is the problem? The location of the engine. It compromises tyre temps, wear, front end feel, rear grip...
Hayden has found improvements in anti-wheelie. I'll bet he's rapt. So the engine is powerful enough. What he can't do is put down consistent race-pace lap times and get consistent wear from the tyres.
IMO, if they are serious about winning races again, they need to dump the L-4 and either go narrow-angle V4 or straight 4. They've done damned near everything else.
For that to happen, they need to get out from under the corporate management thumb and be allowed to build a bike to win races. In the heyday of the 500cc era did Honda make a street 5 cylinder two-stroke? Every other manufacturer makes a race replica from what they were successfully racing. Only Ducati makes a race bike from what they successfully sell to riders on the road. (well, the Desmosedici was 'race-bred', but...)
Everyone at Ducati knows where the "fundamental" problem is:
That's the main reason why the bike understeers.
A change in engine's layout takes a lot of time, that's the reason we have impression Ducati don't know what to do. Yes, they do. They are working on it, but we don't know when the new engine it's going to debut to cure understeer.
I think that it's for 2015 unfortunately, thanks to damn motogp freezing rules.
BTW, the image is from this good article: http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/33804_Gp_13_y_el_subviraje_malditoVERSIONE_ESP.php
That's the main reason why the bike understeers.
A change in engine's layout takes a lot of time, that's the reason we have impression Ducati don't know what to do. Yes, they do. They are working on it, but we don't know when the new engine it's going to debut to cure understeer.
I think that it's for 2015 unfortunately, thanks to damn motogp freezing rules.
BTW, the image is from this good article: http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/33804_Gp_13_y_el_subviraje_malditoVERSIONE_ESP.php
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Hmmmm I can't read Italermanspagnole but they look like part the way to seeing where the VSG's are!! ......... keep going fellas ......
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Everyone at Ducati knows where the "fundamental" problem is:
That's the main reason why the bike understeers.
A change in engine's layout takes a lot of time, that's the reason we have impression Ducati don't know what to do. Yes, they do. They are working on it, but we don't know when the new engine it's going to debut to cure understeer.
I think that it's for 2015 unfortunately, thanks to damn motogp freezing rules.
BTW, the image is from this good article: http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/33804_Gp_13_y_el_subviraje_malditoVERSIONE_ESP.php
Hmmmm I can't read Italermanspagnole but they look like part the way to seeing where the VSG's are!! ......... keep going fellas ......
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