What do you think is/are the main reason(s) why Rossi is reluctant to ride for Ducati?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Mar 31 2010, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ummm yes inam I am very happy to take the cheats opinion over anyone on this website

well you certainly shouldn't listen to yourself then

Please keep it up chimp, this is too much fun!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Mar 31 2010, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well you certainly shouldn't listen to yourself then

Please keep it up chimp, this is too much fun!!

ok i take it back you have no concept of humour after all...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Mar 30 2010, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Since we are all generalizing, it would be very interesting to see how a change of bike would effect all of the top guys.
You mean speculating. But yeah, it would be fun to see how others would fair on eachother's bikes. Sadly it's impossible, and any of our opinions are simply just guesstimation. I will admit though, that we could safely guess that the riders with the most ability to adapt would be somebody like Rossi who has had success in all his switches, regardless of magnitude. Casey made a switch from Honda to Ducati and obviously adapted well. Hayden has not been able to adapt well to changes nor has Melandri. I've considered Capirossi one the the most underrated riders, and it showed while at Ducati, but is lingering in Suzuki now. I think he has adapted well but is subject to the limits of his Suzuki. My dream is that every year there would be some single off event where all the top riders in the world, from WSBK, MotoGP would all be given identical bikes, and a real GP (that means Grand Prize) for a purse. Winner takes home a few million bucks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 31 2010, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have exhaustively made this point GS and it just gets ignored. I think there was never any question over configuration, but Yoda tabled four possible firing orders of which Vale opted for the long bang. Which previous M1 rider had this dispensation? Of course Rossi Burgess, Brent Stevens, Alex Briggs et al. then had to go on and develop the M1 into a race winning machine and this is something I doubt that Barros, Biaggi, Melandri, and Checa would have been capable of doing even given the GDP size budget that was afforded to the project upon securing Rossi's signature at whatever cost. But then Lin Jarvis was charged with a task - signing Rossi was a marketing decision for Yamaha, a coup, because after all racing is not much more for than a shop window and a test bed for road going technology. Not exactly a blank cheque, but pretty much what The Doctor ordered. He exported his entire crew, R&D was quadrupled overnight and he kept his image rights whilst curtailing PR duties to a minimum. After all you can get away with terms like that when you're the GOAT.

I'm not trying to take away anything from the Rossi development machine but the bike was not the one that the former riders had. To compare them is just not accurate. The selection of the proper engine was key and Yamaha's later development of high frequency neutralizing cross crossplane firing order for the I4 was just the "coup de grâce". But equalization is coming as the years go on. This year may see a better across the board level of engine equality. Next year better yet. Then it all gets thrown down.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 31 2010, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>... My dream is that every year there would be some single off event where all the top riders in the world, from WSBK, MotoGP would all be given identical bikes, and a real GP (that means Grand Prize) for a purse. Winner takes home a few million bucks.

That would be great indeed.
Imho, if equal bikes were to be given out to riders without any chance of setting them up other than adapting the riding position, then such an event would surely have Stoner as #1 favorite, since he is the most instinctive rider and capable to be fast immediately, no matter what.
But for the same reason he'd risk a crash more than Rossi, who would take to it more progressively and start a bit cautious to end very fast. One of these two would win.
It would be a GREAT event -- and betting houses could be the main sponsors

if Rossi does it i'm buying a Hypermoto, and doin a Rossi livrery.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 30 2010, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>U make good points eltoro and ur original question was fair. I just thought u started from a point that seemed urealistic to me. It sounds like u think he would b fine on the Ducati so his reluctance to switch must be something more complicated. I on the otherhand feel the major reason he wouldnt switch is because that bike is so difficult that it would make him look human, just like everybody else.

On a side note, if i wer Stoner, i mite say at the next opportunity, "i would love Rossi on a Ducati, that way we could level the rivalry between us!". Hahaha.


2004 all over again...... ...........i'm in

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Mar 31 2010, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That would be great indeed.
J4, are you old enough to remember the transatlantic series or have you heard of them?

Of course, its only speculation, but I agree Stoner & Rossi would be the favorites no doubt, but I'd be willing to bet you'd see a few other surprises. Anyway, just a dream, eh man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 31 2010, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not trying to take away anything from the Rossi development machine but the bike was not the one that the former riders had. To compare them is just not accurate. The selection of the proper engine was key and Yamaha's later development of high frequency neutralizing cross crossplane firing order for the I4 was just the "coup de grâce". But equalization is coming as the years go on. This year may see a better across the board level of engine equality. Next year better yet. Then it all gets thrown down.

Furusawa said that the "genius" behind M1 development is Rossi. Why not believe him. This readiness to acknowledge the role of the rider marks the difference between Honda, or Ducati, and Yamaha. Yamaha invested heavily for 2004, sure, but they invested confidently because they knew Rossi was there! It's all about confidence. In 2007 they were kind of complacent, but in 2008 they reacted well. It's a good and well tested relationship.
Rossi is going to stay with Yamaha as long as Furusawa is there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 31 2010, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if Rossi does it i'm buying a Hypermoto, and doin a Rossi livrery.

2004 all over again...... ...........i'm in
That's a strange double post. One on each page.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 31 2010, 06:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi could not have succeeded unless Yamaha came to the party with the beginnings of a good machine and box cars of money. They had several configurations available for Rossi/Burgess to choose from to start. If it was a pile he couldn't have won the first race he rode it in.

I think that the Yamaha now is the only bike that any rider could jump on a go fast. To go from it to any other manufacturer would give worse results for any rider generally.




I dont know what was wrong with that Honda that he left behind, but why other's were not able to dominate the next seasons on it as he did before that? or was that Honda worse than Yamaha of 2004?

most of the riders thought, they would be a winner on that Honda, but we know what happend.
I read Pedrosa said he likes to ride this Yamaha a lot, but the problem is that he still has to beat 3 other top riders to become a champion.

in 2007 some were talking the same things about the Ducati, but if they had it, could they have dominate that season the way that Casey did and become a champion on it? I dont think so, even when i remember that that Ducati was clearly faster than all the other bikes on the straits.

imo Honda hasn't been a slow bike in last 2 years, but Pedrosa hasn't been able to score enough. So one thing is very possible that on this Yamaha also others can't perform as good as Rossi and Lorenzo doe, or just one rider can make it work, but surely not all the riders.
Maybe a less talented rider/driver can win a championship on the best bike/car, but he cant win back to back championships on it, if he himself isn't that good.

I think if a rider is a good rider, he will find his winning form back on any bike sooner or later. in the case of Rossi on a Ducati, it can take a longer time than he would like, but i cant believe that he isn't able to win a championship on Ducati if he goes there and drives it for a few years.


Yamaha has a very good bike now but their riders aren't that bad ieder.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 31 2010, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> That's a strange double post. One on each page.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 31 2010, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i want you to pay attention to me
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 1 2010, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i want you to pay attention to me

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Mar 31 2010, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont know what was wrong with that Honda that he left behind, but why other's were not able to dominate the next seasons on it as he did before that? or was that Honda worse than Yamaha of 2004?

most of the riders thought, they would be a winner on that Honda, but we know what happend.
Wasn't that about when Burgess came out with the now famous 80/20? Just proves he were right. Remember, the result lists where packed with hondas right behind Rossi so they were almost right.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I think if a rider is a good rider, he will find his winning form back on any bike sooner or later. in the case of Rossi on a Ducati, it can take a longer time than he would like, but i cant believe that he isn't able to win a championship on Ducati if he goes there and drives it for a few years.

I disagree, not on any bike, we all have likes and dislikes and I have no problem to see how some riders can find certain bikes impossible. Riding has to much to do with feelings for them to be ignored and if it doesn't feel right you can never go fast. Melandri couldn't handle it and there is no reason to think that also Rossi could feel the same thing, the huge difference is that he wouldn't go to Ducati without full control over the development. Not that I think it will ever happen though.
Except from that we agree, I aslo think he would eventually win, unless he became too old in the process and in there you find the reason why Ducati is nothing more than a threat he does not intend to go through with.

Ha you fruitcakes

Where do you think Rossi would have been without JB and crew?

When one watches Rossi ride one realises he's actually a pretty "so-so" rider, but then one wonders "how does he do it?".

When Rossi took JB he knew they can make "anything" win. For individual brands its just a matter of how much time it was going to take them to get it all together.

Yamaha wasn't far from Honda at all back in "the changeover" years. Hence why JB was right on top of it.

Rossi's main talent is in managing to get the best available, not his riding.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 31 2010, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ha you fruitcakes

Where do you think Rossi would have been without JB and crew?

When one watches Rossi ride one realises he's actually a pretty "so-so" rider, but then one wonders "how does he do it?".

When Rossi took JB he knew they can make "anything" win. For individual brands its just a matter of how much time it was going to take them to get it all together.

Yamaha wasn't far from Honda at all back in "the changeover" years. Hence why JB was right on top of it.

Rossi's main talent is in managing to get the best available, not his riding.

where was JB when he took his 125, and 250 titles?

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Barry Crocker has just been admitted to a mental health ward

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 1 2010, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ha you fruitcakes

Where do you think Rossi would have been without JB and crew?

When one watches Rossi ride one realises he's actually a pretty "so-so" rider, but then one wonders "how does he do it?".

When Rossi took JB he knew they can make "anything" win. For individual brands its just a matter of how much time it was going to take them to get it all together.

Yamaha wasn't far from Honda at all back in "the changeover" years. Hence why JB was right on top of it.

Rossi's main talent is in managing to get the best available, not his riding.

I wonder where you have been for the last 14 years

Even forgetting the fact that young Rossi in the year 2000 had never worked with JB but was already a 2-times world champion, and even dismissing the fact that the guy who advised Honda to hire Rossi as the best replacement for himself was Doohan in person, one should at least wonder why on earth JB ever accepted to work with Rossi if he was a so-so rider...?

Fact is, JB accepted to be part of a satellite team in order to work with the young Rossi, rather than retiring along with Doohan, or rather than work with Criville in the factory team... That means his opinion of Valentino Rossi was (and is) completely opposite to yours. Still, you use JB as an argument against Rossi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Mar 31 2010, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont know what was wrong with that Honda that he left behind, but why other's were not able to dominate the next seasons on it as he did before that? or was that Honda worse than Yamaha of 2004?

I think its just that the rider and his immediate team make the bulk of the difference in results. The rider of course plays a large role, but so does his team who have to communicate with him and get the best from the package they have. Rossi didn't just take his riding skills, but also the best team in the paddock when he went to Yamaha and although they no doubt improved the bike, Carlos Checa on the other side of the garage had an almost identical season in 04 to his 03 effort. I think the bike didn't get THAT much better until the 05 season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 31 2010, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ha you fruitcakes

Where do you think Rossi would have been without JB and crew?

When one watches Rossi ride one realises he's actually a pretty "so-so" rider, but then one wonders "how does he do it?".

When Rossi took JB he knew they can make "anything" win. For individual brands its just a matter of how much time it was going to take them to get it all together.

Yamaha wasn't far from Honda at all back in "the changeover" years. Hence why JB was right on top of it.

Rossi's main talent is in managing to get the best available, not his riding.
I am sure that jb has made a significant contribution, but the converse argument that jb is an average crew chief who lucked into crewing for mick doohan and valentino is if anything considerably less ridiculous than your argument that rossi is a so-so rider. The best rider generally ends up with the best bike and the best crew chief, this is the way of the motogp world. This does not mean that discrediting hayden and stoner's championships by using the same excuses for rossi that could apply to stoner in subsequent years is valid though.