What do you think is/are the main reason(s) why Rossi is reluctant to ride for Ducati?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 31 2010, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Malboro were not pleased with what has happened last year and they matter, a lot.

Yeah right sure

That whole thing was a bit of a kick in the pants to Malboro ..... ie. the reaction they got from the public about the Malboro Guy's comments shut them up pretty damn quick

Its hard enough for ciggy companies, let alone if they dare say anything ..... especially when it involved a health issue

But something tells me when Stoners contract negotiaition time comes up, Malboro are gunna be wishing they didn't say a thing I think they'll be paying a tiny bit more to try and keep him. Especially if Ducat have a say in it

You really are delusional Babel.

Take the yellow glasses off and look around, there ain't much Stoner hate with the glasses off There ain't much of any rider hate, conclusion the yellow army don't like Stoner ......

He's still running even GP wins with Rossi in the current GP format ..... until Rossi gets say 5 wins clear I don't see that the Boppers will change their view on Stoner one bit.

Yet another Barry Crocker. Actually it's now well past just a shocker

I think you may need help

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 31 2010, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its mostly fun for me too, but not so when you veer off into an alternate universe my friend.

Ah Babe, going back to the stone age of motorcycle to make your point was a rather ridiculous attempt, go back about 25-30 years. The only interruptions between Yamaha vs Honda were a couple of extraordinary seasons by Suzuki.
LOL You started by using 15 + years as reference and "proof" of why Yamaha was probably the best bike even before Rossi sat his ... on it in feb '04. And you call my point ridiculous
I would find it more accurate if you wrote the only interruptions of total Honda dominance in 14 years before Rossi signed with Yamaha.... would be so much more relevant and accurate.

snipped unrelevant chat.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Conversely, many thought Rossi’s switch to Yamaha was a major downgrade in equipment, yet he was able to win straight away. You may be tempted to say, well you see, that’s because Rossi is that good. Well with that same logic, at the time, were the above-mentioned riders that bad? I agree they are not Rossi caliber, but to go from top 5 to bottom dwellers, where the only difference was the bike they rode, is a stretch in logic to then assign that same reality to Rossi’s switch from the all conquering Honda to Yamaha, win straight away, then commence in trying to say Yamaha was pile of ..... Reality vs hype my friend.
It's not about how the story ended, but how it started Jumkie. It started with the bike most experts regarded as ..... Again, show me one article saying otherwise before the first race! That '03 Yamaha is in direct comparison with the '09 Ducati being difficult.
There is absolutely noting in history that supports your suggestion that he would back off from Ducati because of a difficult bike. There are many other good reasons but the difficult bike is not one of them. At best it would part of an argument that he is to old to develop a new and better bike. But what would the challenge be if he were to go from Yamaha to a Yamaha clone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Also, previously in this thread was the discussion regarding the percentage of rider vs gear. Ask any avid follower of Rossi’s career and ask why he didn’t nap the 07 title. Most will tell you firstly, “It was poor ...... Michelins”. That answer should tell you all you need to know about package and Rossi’s ability to overcome the discrepancy. Yes, he’s better than most at compensating, but that has its limits. So if you believe this school of thought, then it’s even more difficult to make the case that the rider is less subject to his equipment. Conversely, if this is true, then that should shed some light about the other competitors that did not have equal or superior tires to Rossi the years he enjoyed ‘Saturday night specials’.
What does this have to do with Ducati's "difficult" bike or rider/bike ratio? I lost you there J. I know you want to talk Rossi all day long but it's not all about him you know

Besides I don't have time for your endless all out Rossi wars right now J. Got a new bike today and despite near zero deg C the ride were amazing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Mar 31 2010, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yet another Barry Crocker. Actually it's now well past just a shocker

I think you may need help

Its kinda hard to work out who you Boppers are replying to/talking about, at times, with all the "namey calling" stuff, but I assume you are reacting to my post.

Ok which bit is "shocking to you"


On the help ...... are you psychic!? yes I do need a bit of help soon! ........ big new slab to pour for my new place, any hands will be welcomed!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 31 2010, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Got a new bike today and despite near zero deg C the ride were amazing.

What did you get?

( Stuff the topic its stupid anyway at least bike talk would b semi interesting )

i like ham

U make good points eltoro and ur original question was fair. I just thought u started from a point that seemed urealistic to me. It sounds like u think he would b fine on the Ducati so his reluctance to switch must be something more complicated. I on the otherhand feel the major reason he wouldnt switch is because that bike is so difficult that it would make him look human, just like everybody else.

On a side note, if i wer Stoner, i mite say at the next opportunity, "i would love Rossi on a Ducati, that way we could level the rivalry between us!". Hahaha.

I saw call his bluff. This way when he doesnt go to Ducati, he'll look like a chickenshit. I think its time for Stoner to start ....... around and hav some fun with all this drama. Oh, and somebody mentioned a while back he should get some fishing sponsor. I think that would b brilliant. Just like Rossi did with his helmet by putting a donkey on it. Stoner could come a long way if he just started having more fun with this whole thing. I have a friend who likes to say, "u know why? ....'em, thats why." Its a good attitude to hav, as it has served Rossi well and is part of the reason he can deal with the circus better than most.

ham is yummy

Since we are all generalizing, it would be very interesting to see how a change of bike would effect all of the top guys.

Currently rossi is the only one in the modern era to change manufactuers and succeed, so no doubt if anyone could switch successfully to the ducati it would be rossi, based on results.

How would dani go on the Yamaha or the ducati, how would stoner go on the Honda or the Yamaha, how would jl go on the Honda or the ducati?

Since dani has never been on anything else it is impossible to predict. Stoner couldn't manage a smaller class title or any consistent results on the Honda. JL however has done well in the smaller classes on a different machine.

I think jl would be the only other alien to have a good chance at successfully changing rides, based on results

Rossi could not have succeeded unless Yamaha came to the party with the beginnings of a good machine and box cars of money. They had several configurations available for Rossi/Burgess to choose from to start. If it was a pile he couldn't have won the first race he rode it in.

I think that the Yamaha now is the only bike that any rider could jump on a go fast. To go from it to any other manufacturer would give worse results for any rider generally.

Will also depend how much money Ducati and Yamaha are offering.
If Lorenzo looks like winning the title this year, and Yamaha offer him equal billing for 2011, Rossi wll be none to pleased, and might take his bat and ball and .... off.

I still don't think he will go, because I don't think JB will go, but could be an interesting power struggle if JL looks like winning the title.
Would be interesting to know how many of Rossi's guys are under binding Yamaha contracts, and how many are becoming free next year also.
Rossi would only go elsewhere with his 'guys'.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Mar 31 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Since we are all generalizing, it would be very interesting to see how a change of bike would effect all of the top guys.

Currently rossi is the only one in the modern era to change manufactuers and succeed, so no doubt if anyone could switch successfully to the ducati it would be rossi, based on results.

How would dani go on the Yamaha or the ducati, how would stoner go on the Honda or the Yamaha, how would jl go on the Honda or the ducati?

Since dani has never been on anything else it is impossible to predict. Stoner couldn't manage a smaller class title or any consistent results on the Honda. JL however has done well in the smaller classes on a different machine.

I think jl would be the only other alien to have a good chance at successfully changing rides, based on results

Can't help yourself can you Biblical Bulshitter...

Even rossi has said the honda would need himself or stoner in the saddle to make it into a title winner so I'll take his opinion over your moronic rants anyday

As a matter of fact, Ducati has never made any concrete offer to Rossi.
The only rider who has been actually offered a double salary to switch to Ducati so far, and has declined, is Lorenzo.
Strange everybody is now discussing a possible switch by Rossi, who mentioned Ducati only as a vague possibility while talking, basically, to Yamaha. Now he has obtained the data transfer block within the team, he's happy

I may add that Ducati made the offer to Lorenzo when they thought Stoner could be lost. With Stoner recovered and apparently willing to stay at Ducati, any talk about big changes at Ducati are based on thin air.

By the way, Rossi is 31 and not looking for 2004-style challenges in 2011.

If there is a manufacturer that could try to lure one of the four aliens (or Spies) in their camp for 2011 that would be Suzuki rather than Ducati.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Mar 31 2010, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't help yourself can you Biblical Bulshitter...

Even rossi has said the honda would need himself or stoner in the saddle to make it into a title winner so I'll take his opinion over your moronic rants anyday
So you are happy take cheats opinion about CS, thats what you call him don't you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Mar 31 2010, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't help yourself can you Biblical Bulshitter...

Even rossi has said the honda would need himself or stoner in the saddle to make it into a title winner so I'll take his opinion over your moronic rants anyday

one day you may post something which reflects some degree of intellengence.........





Chimp

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Mar 31 2010, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>one day you may post something which reflects some degree of intellengence.........





Chimp

And I suppose you're the one who's going to decide which post of mine shows some degree of said "intellengence" ahahahaha so you do have a sense of humour!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Mar 31 2010, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you are happy take cheats opinion about CS, thats what you call him don't you?

ummm yes inam I am very happy to take the cheats opinion over anyone on this website

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 31 2010, 05:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi could not have succeeded unless Yamaha came to the party with the beginnings of a good machine and box cars of money. They had several configurations available for Rossi/Burgess to choose from to start. If it was a pile he couldn't have won the first race he rode it in.

I think that the Yamaha now is the only bike that any rider could jump on a go fast. To go from it to any other manufacturer would give worse results for any rider generally.
I have exhaustively made this point GS and it just gets ignored. I think there was never any question over configuration, but Yoda tabled four possible firing orders of which Vale opted for the long bang. Which previous M1 rider had this dispensation? Of course Rossi Burgess, Brent Stevens, Alex Briggs et al. then had to go on and develop the M1 into a race winning machine and this is something I doubt that Barros, Biaggi, Melandri, and Checa would have been capable of doing even given the GDP size budget that was afforded to the project upon securing Rossi's signature at whatever cost. But then Lin Jarvis was charged with a task - signing Rossi was a marketing decision for Yamaha, a coup, because after all racing is not much more for than a shop window and a test bed for road going technology. Not exactly a blank cheque, but pretty much what The Doctor ordered. He exported his entire crew, R&D was quadrupled overnight and he kept his image rights whilst curtailing PR duties to a minimum. After all you can get away with terms like that when you're the GOAT.