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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 13 2009, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"If you can pass someone on the corkscrew they'll never bother you again"
It is possible he was referring to manouevres involving the actual racetrack
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It was a hard pass, but I agree with the general consensus that it was within the boundaries of racing, if barely. Stoner said "we'll see" and has yet to back this up. If he does, I trust attitudes will be consistent.
(EDIT) I was not there and have not ever been to laguna, and I do accept if rossi was in the dirt because stoner forced him there by taking a line to which he was not entitled then stoner has absolutely no cause for complaint.
It is possible he was referring to manouevres involving the actual racetrack
It was a hard pass, but I agree with the general consensus that it was within the boundaries of racing, if barely. Stoner said "we'll see" and has yet to back this up. If he does, I trust attitudes will be consistent.
(EDIT) I was not there and have not ever been to laguna, and I do accept if rossi was in the dirt because stoner forced him there by taking a line to which he was not entitled then stoner has absolutely no cause for complaint.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 13 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm confused. Isn't this incident just a corollary of the type of racing (passionate, close, aggressive, ragged-edge action) that we all get horny over?
It is. Just that some people see that particular manouvre as having been the turning point in Casey's championship chances and they just can't let it go.
If it had been, say, Elias making that pass on Rossi they'd have started a thread on here about how absolutely megafantasticallyorgasmatically cool the pass was.
It is. Just that some people see that particular manouvre as having been the turning point in Casey's championship chances and they just can't let it go.
If it had been, say, Elias making that pass on Rossi they'd have started a thread on here about how absolutely megafantasticallyorgasmatically cool the pass was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 13 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm confused. Isn't this incident just a corollary of the type of racing (passionate, close, aggressive, ragged-edge action) that we all get horny over?
Sure, the fact that rossi kept the bike upright at all was remarkable, and the whinging post -race was not becoming. As babel said though stoner didn't demonstrate much fear in the corkscrew pass itself, or in my view in the entire laguna seca race, unless you consider not allowing rossi to crash into him to be evidence of this; those invoking the rainey quotation would seem to me to be implying this.
Sure, the fact that rossi kept the bike upright at all was remarkable, and the whinging post -race was not becoming. As babel said though stoner didn't demonstrate much fear in the corkscrew pass itself, or in my view in the entire laguna seca race, unless you consider not allowing rossi to crash into him to be evidence of this; those invoking the rainey quotation would seem to me to be implying this.
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Another fanboy thread, thanks Curve.
That was in no way a "pass". Somebody imbed a video. You will see Rossi make an attempt coming in WAAY to hot into the corner, CROSSES Stoner's line (Stoner stands up his bike) then Rossi tries to keep it on the track but goes into the dirt. As he exits the dirt he's out of control and AGAIN Stoner avoids Rossi from torpedoing him.
That is called a MISTAKE that didn't end in a CRASH thanks to Stoner avoiding an out of control desperate move!
I know you may love the guy, but in no way does a profession racer try ON PURPOSE to cross a line then go INTENTIONALLY into the gravel to make a "PASS".
Call it what it is and safe your credibility: A MISTAKE that just so happened to not end in a crash.
Stoner showed no fear despite the man he was racing with was clearly DESPERATE and was willing to endanger him and other riders. The debrief at the post race interview was nothing more than Casey stating the facts...Rossi was desperate. Its been called whining by Rossi fanboys, but how quickly they forget Rossi crying like a baby when Elias (who didn't even touch him in Turkey) put an ACTUAL racing "pass". Wow, now that is WHINNING!
(Whether or not it was "exciting" is not the question. It was, and I suspect it was because it didn't end in a crash. But this doesn't change the fact it was a MISTAKE.)
Is it Valentines Day in the rest of the world yet?
That is called a MISTAKE that didn't end in a CRASH thanks to Stoner avoiding an out of control desperate move!
I know you may love the guy, but in no way does a profession racer try ON PURPOSE to cross a line then go INTENTIONALLY into the gravel to make a "PASS".
Call it what it is and safe your credibility: A MISTAKE that just so happened to not end in a crash.
Stoner showed no fear despite the man he was racing with was clearly DESPERATE and was willing to endanger him and other riders. The debrief at the post race interview was nothing more than Casey stating the facts...Rossi was desperate. Its been called whining by Rossi fanboys, but how quickly they forget Rossi crying like a baby when Elias (who didn't even touch him in Turkey) put an ACTUAL racing "pass". Wow, now that is WHINNING!
(Whether or not it was "exciting" is not the question. It was, and I suspect it was because it didn't end in a crash. But this doesn't change the fact it was a MISTAKE.)
Is it Valentines Day in the rest of the world yet?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 13 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is possible he was referring to manouevres involving the actual racetrack
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It was a hard pass, but I agree with the general consensus that it was within the boundaries of racing, if barely. Stoner said "we'll see" and has yet to back this up. If he does, I trust attitudes will be consistent.
(EDIT) I was not there and have not ever been to laguna, and I do accept if rossi was in the dirt because stoner forced him there by taking a line to which he was not entitled then stoner has absolutely no cause for complaint.
Sell your soul if you have to brother, just go the place is awsome.
Jumkie over took me on the corkscrew, he also used that line on the dirt ( berfore rossi i might add) but jumkie had a camera in his hand i kid you not !!
It was a hard pass, but I agree with the general consensus that it was within the boundaries of racing, if barely. Stoner said "we'll see" and has yet to back this up. If he does, I trust attitudes will be consistent.
(EDIT) I was not there and have not ever been to laguna, and I do accept if rossi was in the dirt because stoner forced him there by taking a line to which he was not entitled then stoner has absolutely no cause for complaint.
Sell your soul if you have to brother, just go the place is awsome.
Jumkie over took me on the corkscrew, he also used that line on the dirt ( berfore rossi i might add) but jumkie had a camera in his hand i kid you not !!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 13 2009, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sell your soul if you have to brother, just go the place is awsome.
Jumkie over took me on the corkscrew, he also used that line on the dirt ( berfore rossi i might add) but jumkie had a camera in his hand i kid you not !!
Aha, so that's where Rossi got this idea from
Jumkie over took me on the corkscrew, he also used that line on the dirt ( berfore rossi i might add) but jumkie had a camera in his hand i kid you not !!
Aha, so that's where Rossi got this idea from
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 13 2009, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is called a MISTAKE that didn't end in a CRASH thanks to Stoner avoiding an out of control desperate move!
I know you may love the guy, but in no way does a profession racer try ON PURPOSE to cross a line then go INTENTIONALLY into the gravel to make a "PASS".
Call it what it is and safe your credibility: A MISTAKE that just so happened to not end in a crash.
I tend to agree with this logic. To add to it, do you think that other riders will attempt this move? Is it now a legitimate line to take? If you were racing someone and they pulled this on you, would the gloves come off?
Had Casey kept his line, and they both ended up going down, who would take the blame, or would it just have been a racing incident
? That move was not just racing.
However all else being said, it was an amazing sequence of events and I am glad that I was there to witness it first hand. I even have home video of it
I know you may love the guy, but in no way does a profession racer try ON PURPOSE to cross a line then go INTENTIONALLY into the gravel to make a "PASS".
Call it what it is and safe your credibility: A MISTAKE that just so happened to not end in a crash.
I tend to agree with this logic. To add to it, do you think that other riders will attempt this move? Is it now a legitimate line to take? If you were racing someone and they pulled this on you, would the gloves come off?
Had Casey kept his line, and they both ended up going down, who would take the blame, or would it just have been a racing incident
However all else being said, it was an amazing sequence of events and I am glad that I was there to witness it first hand. I even have home video of it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Feb 13 2009, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>However all else being said, it was an amazing sequence of events and I am glad that I was there to witness it first hand. I even have home video of it
Now this is perhaps the best description of the move I've read. Yes, agree: "it was an amazing sequence of events". I was actually looking at it last night and had it on a continuous loop. Starting from the moment where they are just finishing their ascent up the hill. Just when Rossi is behind Stoner and brakes late to pass Casey and into his line. I thought Rossi was for sure doomed to go into the gravel. But amazingly he saved it and was able to rejoin the tarmac. Again, not a "pass" as we know it in racing, but it was amazing.
Again, I have allot of respect for both of them. When we arrived at Laguna, I'd say Roger and I were staunch fanboys of one particular guy, but when we left, we loved them all (well except peders). I admit, I admire Rossi, it just the mindless worship gets to me. Having said that, its fun to banter with them as I'm sure they are doing it for the .... of getting a rise too. Good times all around. I love this freaking sport!
Anyway, please post your home vid of it. That is a treasure man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 13 2009, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aha, so that's where Rossi got this idea from
Nah, if Rossi would have been watching, he would have had his eyes fixated on Roger. Vale would have been thinking, 'wow, even a caveman can do it'.
Now this is perhaps the best description of the move I've read. Yes, agree: "it was an amazing sequence of events". I was actually looking at it last night and had it on a continuous loop. Starting from the moment where they are just finishing their ascent up the hill. Just when Rossi is behind Stoner and brakes late to pass Casey and into his line. I thought Rossi was for sure doomed to go into the gravel. But amazingly he saved it and was able to rejoin the tarmac. Again, not a "pass" as we know it in racing, but it was amazing.
Again, I have allot of respect for both of them. When we arrived at Laguna, I'd say Roger and I were staunch fanboys of one particular guy, but when we left, we loved them all (well except peders). I admit, I admire Rossi, it just the mindless worship gets to me. Having said that, its fun to banter with them as I'm sure they are doing it for the .... of getting a rise too. Good times all around. I love this freaking sport!
Anyway, please post your home vid of it. That is a treasure man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 13 2009, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aha, so that's where Rossi got this idea from
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Feb 13 2009, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is. Just that some people see that particular manouvre as having been the turning point in Casey's championship chances and they just can't let it go.
If it had been, say, Elias making that pass on Rossi they'd have started a thread on here about how absolutely megafantasticallyorgasmatically cool the pass was.
Rossi beat stoner in the whole laguna race, when as matt mladin said there was no way he should have been able to do so, not just once at the corkscrew.
If it had been, say, Elias making that pass on Rossi they'd have started a thread on here about how absolutely megafantasticallyorgasmatically cool the pass was.
Rossi beat stoner in the whole laguna race, when as matt mladin said there was no way he should have been able to do so, not just once at the corkscrew.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 13 2009, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another fanboy thread, thanks Curve.
That was in no way a "pass". Somebody imbed a video. You will see Rossi make an attempt coming in WAAY to hot into the corner, CROSSES Stoner's line (Stoner stands up his bike) then Rossi tries to keep it on the track but goes into the dirt. As he exits the dirt he's out of control and AGAIN Stoner avoids Rossi from torpedoing him.
That is called a MISTAKE that didn't end in a CRASH thanks to Stoner avoiding an out of control desperate move!
I know you may love the guy, but in no way does a profession racer try ON PURPOSE to cross a line then go INTENTIONALLY into the gravel to make a "PASS".
Call it what it is and safe your credibility: A MISTAKE that just so happened to not end in a crash.
Stoner showed no fear despite the man he was racing with was clearly DESPERATE and was willing to endanger him and other riders. The debrief at the post race interview was nothing more than Casey stating the facts...Rossi was desperate. Its been called whining by Rossi fanboys, but how quickly they forget Rossi crying like a baby when Elias (who didn't even touch him in Turkey) put an ACTUAL racing "pass". Wow, now that is WHINNING!
(Whether or not it was "exciting" is not the question. It was, and I suspect it was because it didn't end in a crash. But this doesn't change the fact it was a MISTAKE.)
Is it Valentines Day in the rest of the world yet?
Damn Jumkie.......i dont have to say anything you said everything for me...
Hey Curve you should start your own Forum for everyone who wants to fucx Valentino..
You could cal yourselves....... Valentino And The Kool Aid Kids
That is called a MISTAKE that didn't end in a CRASH thanks to Stoner avoiding an out of control desperate move!
I know you may love the guy, but in no way does a profession racer try ON PURPOSE to cross a line then go INTENTIONALLY into the gravel to make a "PASS".
Call it what it is and safe your credibility: A MISTAKE that just so happened to not end in a crash.
Stoner showed no fear despite the man he was racing with was clearly DESPERATE and was willing to endanger him and other riders. The debrief at the post race interview was nothing more than Casey stating the facts...Rossi was desperate. Its been called whining by Rossi fanboys, but how quickly they forget Rossi crying like a baby when Elias (who didn't even touch him in Turkey) put an ACTUAL racing "pass". Wow, now that is WHINNING!
(Whether or not it was "exciting" is not the question. It was, and I suspect it was because it didn't end in a crash. But this doesn't change the fact it was a MISTAKE.)
Is it Valentines Day in the rest of the world yet?
Damn Jumkie.......i dont have to say anything you said everything for me...
Hey Curve you should start your own Forum for everyone who wants to fucx Valentino..
You could cal yourselves....... Valentino And The Kool Aid Kids
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dam has racing got so boring that we have to keep these arguments up...
the corkscrew incedent was quite dangerous IMO, i think rossi was carrying to much speed into the corner cos he was ringing the m1's neck to keep up and was abit late on the brakes... i dont think it was a deliberate move tho no rider puts themself in that situation on purpose.
i think if it was casey who made that move then rossi woulda been pissed to. they were both abit hot headed on the track.
i wouldnt of voted the corkscrew move the best pass in laguna, there was 2 passes i thought were better and i would have voted for...one of them was by stoner when he bravely rode around the outside of rossi that got me up out of my seat was a nice pass.... but to be fair he did almost touch rossi trying to cut infront of his line as he come around the outside and thats why i aint gettin into the corkscrew debate.....
the 2nd pass i thought was awsome to was rossi going round the outside of stoner keeping the power on and making the overtake on the curb it was a nice overtake.
the corkscrew incedent was quite dangerous IMO, i think rossi was carrying to much speed into the corner cos he was ringing the m1's neck to keep up and was abit late on the brakes... i dont think it was a deliberate move tho no rider puts themself in that situation on purpose.
i think if it was casey who made that move then rossi woulda been pissed to. they were both abit hot headed on the track.
i wouldnt of voted the corkscrew move the best pass in laguna, there was 2 passes i thought were better and i would have voted for...one of them was by stoner when he bravely rode around the outside of rossi that got me up out of my seat was a nice pass.... but to be fair he did almost touch rossi trying to cut infront of his line as he come around the outside and thats why i aint gettin into the corkscrew debate.....
the 2nd pass i thought was awsome to was rossi going round the outside of stoner keeping the power on and making the overtake on the curb it was a nice overtake.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 14 2009, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dam has racing got so boring that we have to keep these arguments up...
the corkscrew incedent was quite dangerous IMO, i think rossi was carrying to much speed into the corner cos he was ringing the m1's neck to keep up and was abit late on the brakes... i dont think it was a deliberate move tho no rider puts themself in that situation on purpose.
i think if it was casey who made that move then rossi woulda been pissed to. they were both abit hot headed on the track.
i wouldnt of voted the corkscrew move the best pass in laguna, there was 2 passes i thought were better and i would have voted for...one of them was by stoner when he bravely rode around the outside of rossi that got me up out of my seat was a nice pass.... but to be fair he did almost touch rossi trying to cut infront of his line as he come around the outside and thats why i aint gettin into the corkscrew debate.....
the 2nd pass i thought was awsome to was rossi going round the outside of stoner keeping the power on and making the overtake on the curb it was a nice overtake.
Wow I'd agree with you totally on this post Jaz!! ..... thats weird.
Except I'd say Rossi's outside pass on corner 3 or so was the point at which I thought ...... "Rossi's serious about this one!!", and the pass that won him the race ........... Stoners outside pas was gutsy but I didn't think he'd hold it.
The corkscrew pass was sheer crap riding,..... it seems, though, it has been deemed, by some, as the best/most controlled/most calculatedly brilliant maneuver ever carried out
Had Stoner not had the presence of mind to lean in on him they both would have been in the fence.
the corkscrew incedent was quite dangerous IMO, i think rossi was carrying to much speed into the corner cos he was ringing the m1's neck to keep up and was abit late on the brakes... i dont think it was a deliberate move tho no rider puts themself in that situation on purpose.
i think if it was casey who made that move then rossi woulda been pissed to. they were both abit hot headed on the track.
i wouldnt of voted the corkscrew move the best pass in laguna, there was 2 passes i thought were better and i would have voted for...one of them was by stoner when he bravely rode around the outside of rossi that got me up out of my seat was a nice pass.... but to be fair he did almost touch rossi trying to cut infront of his line as he come around the outside and thats why i aint gettin into the corkscrew debate.....
the 2nd pass i thought was awsome to was rossi going round the outside of stoner keeping the power on and making the overtake on the curb it was a nice overtake.
Wow I'd agree with you totally on this post Jaz!! ..... thats weird.
Except I'd say Rossi's outside pass on corner 3 or so was the point at which I thought ...... "Rossi's serious about this one!!", and the pass that won him the race ........... Stoners outside pas was gutsy but I didn't think he'd hold it.
The corkscrew pass was sheer crap riding,..... it seems, though, it has been deemed, by some, as the best/most controlled/most calculatedly brilliant maneuver ever carried out
Had Stoner not had the presence of mind to lean in on him they both would have been in the fence.
it doesn't really matter if it was a mistake.. a desperate move or not.. after some years this will be the first or the only thing i'm going to remember from 2008.
one of the main reasons i am a fan of rossi is that what he does in the races is worth watching. for example. the last corner move at jerez 05 was a more dangerous move i believe. but, rossi's decision to overtake, made the race a classic. if he had not done that, i would have forgotten that race. anyway.. hope you get my point.
one of the main reasons i am a fan of rossi is that what he does in the races is worth watching. for example. the last corner move at jerez 05 was a more dangerous move i believe. but, rossi's decision to overtake, made the race a classic. if he had not done that, i would have forgotten that race. anyway.. hope you get my point.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill88 @ Feb 14 2009, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it doesn't really matter if it was a mistake.. a desperate move or not.. after some years this will be the first or the only thing i'm going to remember from 2008.
one of the main reasons i am a fan of rossi is that what he does in the races is worth watching. for example. the last corner move at jerez 05 was a more dangerous move i believe. but, rossi's decision to overtake, made the race a classic. if he had not done that, i would have forgotten that race. anyway.. hope you get my point.
i can see your point and yes it will be a remebered race but if it was stoner that made that move on the corkscrew would that still be "worth" remembering? or would you have said stoner was out of control?
i will still remember casey going around the outside of rossi i remember flying out my chair and almost busting the tv remote in my hand cos it was a view from on the bike and to me it felt as if he was going to lose it, it felt like i was riding the bike, it was very on the edge and exciting for me even tho im a rossi fan.
one of the main reasons i am a fan of rossi is that what he does in the races is worth watching. for example. the last corner move at jerez 05 was a more dangerous move i believe. but, rossi's decision to overtake, made the race a classic. if he had not done that, i would have forgotten that race. anyway.. hope you get my point.
i can see your point and yes it will be a remebered race but if it was stoner that made that move on the corkscrew would that still be "worth" remembering? or would you have said stoner was out of control?
i will still remember casey going around the outside of rossi i remember flying out my chair and almost busting the tv remote in my hand cos it was a view from on the bike and to me it felt as if he was going to lose it, it felt like i was riding the bike, it was very on the edge and exciting for me even tho im a rossi fan.
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