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Using .... tires on a car is a whole different animal than using .... tires on a bike. When your .... tires let you down in a car, 99.9% of the time, your going to slide harmlessly into a gravel trap. When your .... tires let you down on a bike, the results can be life altering or worse. Obviously, any decision they make is going to alienate a portion of the teams and fan base, they just need to make a decision and live with it. Im tired of the uncertainty.



Two points:



First, your last point. I agree 100% with this. I just want a ....... decision, I've almost stopped caring what that decision is. Carmelo says there will be a decision in December. I can't wait.



Secondly, .... tires: less performance for the tires does not make them dangerous. If we reduced the performance of the tires to that of, say, 2003, there would not be a massive rise in dangerous accidents. Riders would merely accommodate, the same as they do when it rains. What is important is that the tires be predictable and give plenty of warning. Current grip levels are too high, it still takes a brave man just to get them warm enough to race on. I'd like to see the WSBK Pirellis used, or something similar from Dunlop. Enough performance, but tires which wear faster and need managing, putting the skill back into the hands of the riders.
 
Oh, and Yamaha are just squeaking by financially. Despite their success, they can't get a title sponsor. The reason they hired Rossi was because their sponsorship guy said this was their only hope of finding a sponsor for the bike. If they hadn't hired Rossi - or if Rossi doesn't provide a title sponsor, either directly or indirectly - Yamaha won't last another 4 years in the championship, if the rules do not change. In 2011 Jarvis told me it would be hard to finish 2012 without a title sponsor, so things are tough.



This is the problem with MotoGP. I am sure you have notice me say it before. Why is this not the big topic of conversation? Why is Dorna not heavily promoting every other rider on the grid so that sponsors want to sponsor them?



Reducing costs is lazy business. It takes no effort at all. You just sit around a board room table and slash. Generating revenue means you have to get of your arse and get out there and work it.



You could do MotoGP a real service by championing this cause rather than repeating Dorna's lazy excuse of "too expensive". The narrative has to change if circumstances are to change.
 
The brain is a funny thing. I am sure that some of our more , how would i put it, socialist forum members are all about fiscal austerity when it comes to bike racing, yet hit the streets in riot mode when its implemented in government spending. I am the complete opposite. Im against it in bike racing, and all about it in government. We are all ....... nuts and have no idea what we want.
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i guess for being in favor of any form of spending one would have to agree with the aims and degree of such an action.

spend countless millions to make my favorite sport less interesting (to me ,and thats in the current situation) = bad

cut funding for health care and education (while opening up tax havens)=bad
 
This is the problem with MotoGP. I am sure you have notice me say it before. Why is this not the big topic of conversation? Why is Dorna not heavily promoting every other rider on the grid so that sponsors want to sponsor them?



Reducing costs is lazy business. It takes no effort at all. You just sit around a board room table and slash. Generating revenue means you have to get of your arse and get out there and work it.



You could do MotoGP a real service by championing this cause rather than repeating Dorna's lazy excuse of "too expensive". The narrative has to change if circumstances are to change.



It is something I hope to write about soon. Gather some evidence. But the real trouble is that MotoGP does not have a product to sell at the moment. The racing is ....... boring. If I am saying that as someone who makes a living from the sport, god knows what casual viewers think. There is no narrative. There is no entertainment. Races are decided by who gets set up right in FP3, there is one pass, and 40 minutes of riders displaying perfect bike control. That is only interesting if you ride bikes. If you don't ride a motorcycle, then you want something compelling to watch.
 
It is something I hope to write about soon. Gather some evidence. But the real trouble is that MotoGP does not have a product to sell at the moment. The racing is ....... boring. If I am saying that as someone who makes a living from the sport, god knows what casual viewers think. There is no narrative. There is no entertainment. Races are decided by who gets set up right in FP3, there is one pass, and 40 minutes of riders displaying perfect bike control. That is only interesting if you ride bikes. If you don't ride a motorcycle, then you want something compelling to watch.



How can F1 do it then? F1 is infinitely more boring.



In my opinion the reason is that F1 promotes itself and all of its participants. It has always done this and therefore cars right down the back of the grid can still fund their racing.



This is clearly a chicken : egg scenario. MotoGP failed to promote all its participants and itself and just promoted Rossi. So other teams don't have the funds to be competitive. Therefore the racing is boring.



So what do you do? Cut costs or start promoting the sport?



If I was running the sport I would constantly be talking it up. I would be building the profile of all the riders right down the grid. If every rider had a big fan base then people will tune in despite the racing and sponsors would have a market to promote their product to.



In every market segment in every market it is rarely the best product that receives the most sales. The most sales are achieved by the company that promotes is product the best and builds a connection and loyalty with its customer.



What has MotoGP done? It constantly talks down its product. You just did and like it or not you are MotoGP. But the worst thing MotoGP has done in the last decade has allowed every other rider and their fans to be disrespected and disenfranchised by the juggernaut that is Valentino Rossi. MotoGP would have been much better served by building up the Sete's and the Max's, the DePuniets and the Melandri's, the Stoner's and the Pedrosa's, the Bradl's and the Bautista's. Instead they have made all these riders insignificant and some of them the anti-christ. The fans of these riders left and so did the sponsors.



You and your colleagues can change the narrative by simply changing the narrative. Do interest pieces on riders and help to build their profile rather then the easy Rossi story. MotoGP needs fans who don't give a .... about Rossi and every detail of his mythical day to day existence. MotoGP needs Stoner but because of your profession's portrayal of him he is gone.
 
The brain is a funny thing. I am sure that some of our more , how would i put it, socialist forum members are all about fiscal austerity when it comes to bike racing, yet hit the streets in riot mode when its implemented in government spending. I am the complete opposite. Im against it in bike racing, and all about it in government. We are all ....... nuts and have no idea what we want.
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If you understood government spending and international currency trade, you wouldn't be absolutely for fiscal displine or absolutely against fiscal discipline. A deflationary currency cycle would kill our country stone dead in less than 12 months, but if you want to believe that fiscal discipline is a panacea, who am I to stop you? The problem with Western governments around the world is that they pour money into 'humane' entitlements that are both anti-productive and inhumane in the long run. They worsen the plight for each subsequent generation, only appearing preferable in the short term as government spending (deficit or not) improves money supply and total wealth.



In MotoGP too, the benefits of inefficient spending have been short-lived. Most competitive sports don't even function like profit-seeking marketplaces so the rancor of sloppy spending is even more accute than it is when governments dump money into market-based economies.



For reasons I will never understand, you want to subvert the sovereignty of democratic voters and force them to endure prolonged depressions (simultaneously ignoring hundreds of years of economic discovery), but you want MotoGP (a relatively inconsequential entertainment property) to operate freely. Your priorities are severely out of balance, and it's not terribly cute anymore. In both MotoGP and government, you are unhappy with decisions made by the people in charge so you allege widespread conspiracy and ideological impropreity. More often than not, I tend to think that you don't understand why things are the way they are, and your solutions would merely exacerbate the existing difficulties.
 
What has MotoGP done? It constantly talks down its product. You just did and like it or not you are MotoGP. But the worst thing MotoGP has done in the last decade has allowed every other rider and their fans to be disrespected and disenfranchised by the juggernaut that is Valentino Rossi. MotoGP would have been much better served by building up the Sete's and the Max's, the DePuniets and the Melandri's, the Stoner's and the Pedrosa's, the Bradl's and the Bautista's. Instead they have made all these riders insignificant and some of them the anti-christ. The fans of these riders left and so did the sponsors.



You and your colleagues can change the narrative by simply changing the narrative. Do interest pieces on riders and help to build their profile rather then the easy Rossi story. MotoGP needs fans who don't give a .... about Rossi and every detail of his mythical day to day existence.



Well stated.
 
It is something I hope to write about soon. Gather some evidence. But the real trouble is that MotoGP does not have a product to sell at the moment. The racing is ....... boring. If I am saying that as someone who makes a living from the sport, god knows what casual viewers think. There is no narrative. There is no entertainment. Races are decided by who gets set up right in FP3, there is one pass, and 40 minutes of riders displaying perfect bike control. That is only interesting if you ride bikes. If you don't ride a motorcycle, then you want something compelling to watch.

I don't think it is quite as simple as close racing, people were happy to watch valentino win 10 races a year or whatever for 5 years; I suppose casual observers weren't aware he could have won more easily than he did most of the time, but if you succeed in the assumed aim of turning such viewers into non-casual followers of the sport then the realisation would quickly have come.



It is patently obvious that the sport is financially unsustainable in the current form, even honda and yamaha have tacitly admitted they need to be saved from themselves. The current situation seems to be analagous to a squadron of bombers replaced by one B2 stealth bomber that costs more than the squadron.



I am very happy for them to reduce ridiculously expensive technology, perhaps the only way is to frame regs that make the marginal return on such expenditure low by measures such as rev limits as lex has argued. I can't see any way of having a salary cap as they do in some professional sports. Eliminating the barriers to the entry of new manufacturers whether due to expense or due to the MSMA framing tech regs which mean that to be competitive technology which only they possess is required is obviously also a very good idea.



Carmelo doesn't have to be a rocket surgeon to realise the problems, but he perhaps does need to be one to fix them, which is where my doubt lies. I am also somewhat cynical about his current anti-honda crusade, since he did not seem particularly delighted when a third manufacturer did defeat honda ( and yamaha) a few years back, in fact acting in the view of some to handicap that manufacturer. His current approach to tech regs seems to mainly involve stream of consciousness, and aping F1; the latter may be good in some aspects, but bikes aren't cars. Perhaps he can rapidly change to a similar set-up to F1, where independent teams are part of the tradition, and I have to say that my interest in F1 was greatest when it was formula cosworth. His current apparently successful moto2 series does however imo rely on the fact that it is a prelude to the premier class, and also on some collaboration/support from honda at least initially.



Fwiw where they will lose me is if they decide to try to contrive actual results, even including contrived last lap dices. I am happy to see the latter of course, but not if it is contrived which I see such things as the convenient yellow flags in nascar as doing. I realise I am in the minority.
 
What has MotoGP done? It constantly talks down its product. You just did and like it or not you are MotoGP. But the worst thing MotoGP has done in the last decade has allowed every other rider and their fans to be disrespected and disenfranchised by the juggernaut that is Valentino Rossi. MotoGP would have been much better served by building up the Sete's and the Max's, the DePuniets and the Melandri's, the Stoner's and the Pedrosa's, the Bradl's and the Bautista's. Instead they have made all these riders insignificant and some of them the anti-christ. The fans of these riders left and so did the sponsors.



Let's suppose Krop, the press core, and the TV companies do an amazing job marketing MotoGP for Dorna. They build interest by putting positive spin on every scrap of news, and they use their bandwidth/channels to generate interest in MotoGP.



What is their reward? Higher fees. Less access. More competition with powrful vermin who jump from other motorsports.



Ezpeleta knows that media companies (other than Dorna) have almost no incentive to promote MotoGP. For this reason, he is working on product development and cost structure, rather than forcing David to become a Dorna PR wonk.
 
Let's suppose Krop, the press core, and the TV companies do an amazing job marketing MotoGP for Dorna. They build interest by putting positive spin on every scrap of news, and they use their bandwidth/channels to generate interest in MotoGP.



What is their reward? Higher fees. Less access. More competition with powrful vermin who jump from other motorsports.



Ezpeleta knows that media companies (other than Dorna) have almost no incentive to promote MotoGP. For this reason, he is working on product development and cost structure, rather than forcing David to become a Dorna PR wonk.



How about more visitors to his website, more hits equals more advertising dollars. How about less risk to his business due to the growth of MotoGP rather than the current retraction. How about just wanting to do something positive for the sport rather than contributing to its downfall. Does everything have to be about money?



It also is hypocritical because you are say why should x do something that could help their competitor or increase the competition yet you and all these people stand up and lambast Honda for wanting to get up over their competitors and suggest their motives are to stop other competitors coming in. Did you not even see that in your comment?????????



As far as Ezpeleta is concern he is the worse culprit. He has the most to gain by increasing MotoGP's revenues, both teams and the sport in general as he would then have to spend less on propping up the non financial teams. Yet he is constantly talking negative about the sport. He is certainly not talking about product development. He is talking about product reduction and my whole argument is based around the fact that he has made the product so small over the past decade i.e. one man. It is complete laziness and incompetence to rely on cost cutting. Cost cutting in the short term increases productivity but in the long term it leads to loss of product value.
 
How can F1 do it then? F1 is infinitely more boring.



In my opinion the reason is that F1 promotes itself and all of its participants. It has always done this and therefore cars right down the back of the grid can still fund their racing.



This is clearly a chicken : egg scenario. MotoGP failed to promote all its participants and itself and just promoted Rossi. So other teams don't have the funds to be competitive. Therefore the racing is boring.



So what do you do? Cut costs or start promoting the sport?



If I was running the sport I would constantly be talking it up. I would be building the profile of all the riders right down the grid. If every rider had a big fan base then people will tune in despite the racing and sponsors would have a market to promote their product to.



In every market segment in every market it is rarely the best product that receives the most sales. The most sales are achieved by the company that promotes is product the best and builds a connection and loyalty with its customer.



What has MotoGP done? It constantly talks down its product. You just did and like it or not you are MotoGP. But the worst thing MotoGP has done in the last decade has allowed every other rider and their fans to be disrespected and disenfranchised by the juggernaut that is Valentino Rossi. MotoGP would have been much better served by building up the Sete's and the Max's, the DePuniets and the Melandri's, the Stoner's and the Pedrosa's, the Bradl's and the Bautista's. Instead they have made all these riders insignificant and some of them the anti-christ. The fans of these riders left and so did the sponsors.



You and your colleagues can change the narrative by simply changing the narrative. Do interest pieces on riders and help to build their profile rather then the easy Rossi story. MotoGP needs fans who don't give a .... about Rossi and every detail of his mythical day to day existence. MotoGP needs Stoner but because of your profession's portrayal of him he is gone.



100% correct, smart man.
 
spot on post mental.maybe it was a good thing for f1 that schumacher was nowhere near as charismatic as rossi
 
How about more visitors to his website, more hits equals more advertising dollars. How about less risk to his business due to the growth of MotoGP rather than the current retraction. How about just wanting to do something positive for the sport rather than contributing to its downfall. Does everything have to be about money?



How about any company worth its salt has economists and pricing experts to help them capture surplus from end consumers and B2B customers. A company with no direct competitors could capture the surplus easily. The reality is that Krop and others would assume all of the risk and do a majority of the work, but they would get very little for it. f Dorna wanted journalists to advertise and market, they would wave fees and give journalists access to Dorna's extensive media archive.



What you are basically saying is that you prefer marketing and advertising to journalism. Whoa! We should all pay more attention to you! Fantasy is better than reality! Genius!!



It also is hypocritical because you are say why should x do something that could help their competitor or increase the competition yet you and all these people stand up and lambast Honda for wanting to get up over their competitors and suggest their motives are to stop other competitors coming in. Did you not even see that in your comment?????????



As far as Ezpeleta is concern he is the worse culprit. He has the most to gain by increasing MotoGP's revenues, both teams and the sport in general as he would then have to spend less on propping up the non financial teams. Yet he is constantly talking negative about the sport. He is certainly not talking about product development. He is talking about product reduction and my whole argument is based around the fact that he has made the product so small over the past decade i.e. one man. It is complete laziness and incompetence to rely on cost cutting. Cost cutting in the short term increases productivity but in the long term it leads to loss of product value.



The MSMA benefit two-fold from promoting MotoGP. First, they can negotiate for more revenue sharing. Second, they can bank on higher sales in the production market. Historically speaking, the teams have always been able to negotiate higher revenue sharing, and Dorna cannot really touch MSMA profits in the production market. The MSMA's situation is immeasurably different from a journo's situation. The appearance of hipocrisy exists for people who haven't thought the situation through.



Everyone wins if the MSMA repeal the terrible rules they have added since 2007. The whining from various factions of armchair pundits is inexplicable, and it shows how deeply marketers and advertisers can sink their hooks into unassuming fans and customers.



Dorna could probably reduce the collateral damage to the sport by keeping their discontent under wraps, but Ezpeleta seems to think that perception is reality. Who is to say he's wrong in this day and age? I'm certainly not going to despise him for trying to disinfect the GPC boardroom with sunshine.
 
How about any company worth its salt has economists and pricing experts to help them capture surplus from end consumers and B2B customers. A company with no direct competitors could capture the surplus easily. The reality is that Krop and others would assume all of the risk and do a majority of the work, but they would get very little for it. f Dorna wanted journalists to advertise and market, they would wave fees and give journalists access to Dorna's extensive media archive.



What you are basically saying is that you prefer marketing and advertising to journalism. Whoa! We should all pay more attention to you! Fantasy is better than reality! Genius!!







The MSMA benefit two-fold from promoting MotoGP. First, they can negotiate for more revenue sharing. Second, they can bank on higher sales in the production market. Historically speaking, the teams have always been able to negotiate higher revenue sharing, and Dorna cannot really touch MSMA profits in the production market. The MSMA's situation is immeasurably different from a journo's situation. The appearance of hipocrisy exists for people who haven't thought the situation through.



Everyone wins if the MSMA repeal the terrible rules they have added since 2007. The whining from various factions of armchair pundits is inexplicable, and it shows how deeply marketers and advertisers can sink their hooks into unassuming fans and customers.



Dorna could probably reduce the collateral damage to the sport by keeping their discontent under wraps, but Ezpeleta seems to think that perception is reality. Who is to say he's wrong in this day and age? I'm certainly not going to despise him for trying to disinfect the GPC boardroom with sunshine.

Mental said if its a riders series then promote the riders. All of them. What tangent are you on? Its very simple, you cant answer it with economics, more to do with tribalism and primitive human emotions. Kroppo is from England, so is Crutchlow. Where's the article on Crutchlow? I know little about him, there's very little written about him. By comparison there's a lot written about Carmello. The question is why?
 
Its the thrill of the battle that entices most fans, and at present like in F1 it doesn't look 'hard'. Watch an F1 race, with the wide tracks and masses of grip they have it looks like the cars are hardly moving, and the same with the 'on rails' motogp bikes...you watch and say 'it doesnt look hard', unlike if they were slippin and slidin everywhere.



Its the same BS, money and commercial interests spoil the purity of the sport. Bring back 500 two strokes with no traction control and harder tyres, that'll sort the men from the boys and get the viewers back!
 
Where's the article on Crutchlow? I know little about him, there's very little written about him. By comparison there's a lot written about Carmello. The question is why?



Something akin to Stockholm Syndrome?
 
There is also technology beyond 4 strokes which as we know in terms of energy production are relatively inefficient.



Indulge me. How inefficient are 4-stroke GP engines? What is more efficient at the same power and response levels?
 
I didnt say GP engines specifically, my statement said that the Otto Cycle internal combustion engine is relatively inefficient when compared to other power generators.
 

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