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The only manufacturer to try carbon fibre structurally (there is no attempt to stop this) was Ducati. The Basic bike hasn't changed a whole lot in a long time.



Suspension, motors, frame technology, tyres are increasing incrementally (almost ambulatory).



The big push (and a pit walk on Sunday showed it) is electronics, teams have a team of data analysts, setup, computer, tracking people now and the electronics are the only rapidly evolving part of the machine. It is obvious why this is so (to win) but I have to agree now that this is spiralling beyond the capacity of the sport to control.



Prototypes are now just really fast bikes that pretty much use similar technologies to their road going cousins and WSBK machines, its just more exotic, developed etc. They are still using telescopic forks, with a monoshock rear, with a IL4 or V4 motor,



The innovation required to be a prototype was based all around electrics and no other component of the bike. If the standard ECU lands and innovation moves back to non electrical engineering we might see something cool occur. Who knows?



After much deliberation I can see why the computer racing has to stop.





Interestingly the best (arguably) rider of the era only really uses his computers to control fuel use (Stoner and Doohan interview channel 10 live coverage PI 2012)
 
Dr No said:
Some excellent points you've been making there, Lex.

30 odd years ago, a reasonable rider could find the machine limits of a Sportsbike. That limit has blown out to the extent that it takes real talent to find the limits of modern SS600s, nevermind 1000s.

So what will this new technology build on? Panigale 'leccy adjusable suspension? Traction control maps? Given that most riders don't even look at their spring rates, I see a lot of this stuff as window dressing at best. Nothing I'd like to pay for.
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This is beginning to sound like a Luddite conversation. How many of the Ferraris sold in this world are used to anywhere near their potential? Does that mean Ferrari should stop developing them? Should the motorcycle manufacturers stop developing safer / faster bikes because the riders are not good enough? It is precisely because most riders don't understand or have the ability to correctly set up the suspension that active suspension would be such a great advance. Disc brakes / traction control / ABS etc etc were all developed on the track and filtered down to the roadbikes - unless of course you think we should have kept drum brakes, because we were not going fast enough to need discs. Safety is maximum when in the middle of a performance envelope, not near the edge.



You can stick with the Status Quo - I would prefer something a little more contemporary.
 
ALR said:
This is beginning to sound like a Luddite conversation. How many of the Ferraris sold in this world are used to anywhere near their potential? Does that mean Ferrari should stop developing them? Should the motorcycle manufacturers stop developing safer / faster bikes because the riders are not good enough? It is precisely because most riders don't understand or have the ability to correctly set up the suspension that active suspension would be such a great advance. Disc brakes / traction control / ABS etc etc were all developed on the track and filtered down to the roadbikes - unless of course you think we should have kept drum brakes, because we were not going fast enough to need discs. Safety is maximum when in the middle of a performance envelope, not near the edge.



You can stick with the Status Quo - I would prefer something a little more contemporary.
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No. I just think you should start with the basics, like getting the correct spring rate for the rider's weight and usage, before add-ons like 'leccy adjustable damping. Otherwise it's just a .....

You really want all that tech just to ride around "in the middle of the performance envelope"? Jut like seeing S1000RRs and RSV4s in the slow group at a track day. Impressive stuff. Admirable.
 
ALR said:
This is beginning to sound like a Luddite conversation. How many of the Ferraris sold in this world are used to anywhere near their potential? Does that mean Ferrari should stop developing them? Should the motorcycle manufacturers stop developing safer / faster bikes because the riders are not good enough? It is precisely because most riders don't understand or have the ability to correctly set up the suspension that active suspension would be such a great advance. Disc brakes / traction control / ABS etc etc were all developed on the track and filtered down to the roadbikes - unless of course you think we should have kept drum brakes, because we were not going fast enough to need discs. Safety is maximum when in the middle of a performance envelope, not near the edge.



You can stick with the Status Quo - I would prefer something a little more contemporary.
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The aesthetics are meaningless. Innovation in the motorcycle market is limited by the market segment, which dictates how development costs are offset. Unfortunately, the repli-racer segment is basically a loss leader for everyone except Ducati........who almost never earn a profit, incidentally.



If you want industry-wide development, motorcycling is going to have to do a lot more than tweak the GP regulations. The MSMA will need to recruit millions more motorcyclists--a growth strategy that might require a bit of Luddite pragmatism in the near term to stimulate the segment out of its current slump without leaning on loose credit (again).
 
Dr No said:
No. I just think you should start with the basics, like getting the correct spring rate for the rider's weight and usage, before add-ons like 'leccy adjustable damping. Otherwise it's just a .....

You really want all that tech just to ride around "in the middle of the performance envelope"? Jut like seeing S1000RRs and RSV4s in the slow group at a track day. Impressive stuff. Admirable.
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Unless you have access to the autobahns, most countries have speed limits in the 100km/h - 160km/h region - so we should all drive Tatra's and CB100's ?



If someone wants to go to a track day and ride around in the slow group - I take my hat off to them. What should they be doing? Masturbating on a forum? Enough, boring, going to prep the bike for next year. Enjoy.
 
Is it possible ALR and Dr No are the same person arguing with him-(them)-self?
 
xx CURVE xx said:
OnTopic:



Get your ..... back in the kitchen you bunch of ....... Marys and keep on keeping with he kardashians.

this .... is MY sport, i dont give two ..... about ANY games such as baseball, soccer, footy crickets, NFL, NBA, MMA, etc...

I AM BIKES.
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.... there IS nothing else. so jogg-off.





















AND WHERE THE .... IS MY AVY!!!
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ALR said:
Unless you have access to the autobahns, most countries have speed limits in the 100km/h - 160km/h region - so we should all drive Tatra's and CB100's ?



If someone wants to go to a track day and ride around in the slow group - I take my hat off to them. What should they be doing? Masturbating on a forum? Enough, boring, going to prep the bike for next year. Enjoy.
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Are you masturbating on this forum? In a Tatra? On the Autobahn? Over a CB100?
 
Dr No said:
Yeah, you're a .......
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That was funny. I'd now post and say, "No its not", but you got me, i would be very unoriginal.



We used to have Pinky in his many forms have lengthy arguments with himself and the arguments would end with "Gee Pinky, you really are the smartest and best guy on this forum not like those mean old (insert name of regulars).



It does happen. The red flag is two relative newbies engaging in a pitched battle, with little other input. If I have it wrong then welcome to the asylum.
 
Andy Roo said:
That was funny. I'd now post and say, "No its not", but you got me, i would be very unoriginal.



We used to have Pinky in his many forms have lengthy arguments with himself and the arguments would end with "Gee Pinky, you really are the smartest and best guy on this forum not like those mean old (insert name of regulars).



It does happen. The red flag is two relative newbies engaging in a pitched battle, with little other input. If I have it wrong then welcome to the asylum.
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If I was going to sockpuppet it up, it'd be over more than interminable back-and-forths over tech. To be worth it, it would (a la Pinky) have to end in an admission that Dr No can indeed out-fight, out-...., out-drink and out-ride every one ever. He'd - sorry, I'd - even bring peace to the Boners and Boppers by fixing the Duke (with JB's assistance) in 80 seconds. Allowing Rossi a fairytale win in his last ever race on the Ducati. PBUH
 

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