Valentino Rossi: 'I won’t race without Jerry.B'

Well if Rossi is seriously thinking of Ducati after Yamaha, it's going to take JB&Rossi to get the bike right. I would wager that pair could even make a Buell fast if given the time. Sorry Clark, I know you ride a Buell but couldn't resist.

I dont think Rossi will win against the current crop of riders without JB.
J.B has also said he wants to work with Stoner? Imagine that a Fit Stoner and J.B.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gixxer K9 @ Sep 15 2009, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont think Rossi will win against the current crop of riders without JB.
J.B has also said he wants to work with Stoner? Imagine that a Fit Stoner and J.B.

JB's old school..he dont like .......

Just another example of what it takes to have the career that Rossi has had. It requires far more than JUST talent. Rossi's huge talent has been helped considerably over the years by the equipment he has always had and the team he has had around him. He knows that without the team or the equipment against the possibly equal talent that exists in Stoner and maybe Lorenzo he would stuggle to hold up the god like reputation that many bestow upon him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 16 2009, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>JB's old school..he dont like .......


Well Duh! ........ Thats why he isn't knocking on your couch door Curve, thats why he wants to work with Stoner ( a guy who could probably even beat you and your couch and bong, with his hands tied, legs in plaster, eyes closed and vomit in his helmet .......


I really have a picture of you as "The Comic Book guy" from the simpsons curve

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gixxer K9 @ Sep 16 2009, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont think Rossi will win against the current crop of riders without JB.
J.B has also said he wants to work with Stoner? Imagine that a Fit Stoner and J.B.

You have to read this in context with what Burgess has to say about Valentino. They run a mutual admiration society, you know Who ever wants to change a winning team? By the way do not forget that Rossi went the Bridgestone way against Burgess' advice, and won the 2008 title thanks to that choice.

This said, Burgess-Stoner would certainbly be interesting to see. But as much as I admire both of them, I would not assume they would automatically beat Rossi and the whole world.

As Burgess said, in the end it is the riders riding the bikes, not the mechanics, and Stoner, Pedrosa and Lorenzo so far have not been as consistent and effective as Rossi in the long distance, as riders. This may change, but for the moment it is a fact.

There was an article in AMCN at the end of 2008 on Jerry Burgess, discussing Valentino Rossi.

Basically, JB has as much admiration for Vale as Vale does for Jerry!

To illustrate my point:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...mp;R=EPI-118455

JB: "Valentino continues to amaze me"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 16 2009, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You have to read this in context with what Burgess has to say about Valentino. They run a mutual admiration society, you know Who ever wants to change a winning team? By the way do not forget that Rossi went the Bridgestone way against Burgess' advice, and won the 2008 title thanks to that choice.

Coreect me by all means (and I know people will), but wasn't JB's main thrust the loyalty aspect wheras Rossi looked at it from a results perspective?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 16 2009, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This said, Burgess-Stoner would certainbly be interesting to see. But as much as I admire both of them, I would not assume they would automatically beat Rossi and the whole world.

This may surprise but I am not so sure that this type of partnership would work as well as one would expect.

IMO, there is no doubt taht JB would have in the past liked to have worked with Stoner (as reported) but with Stoner having won a championship already in the top grade, would JB want to take on the challenge?

Asking (and yes seriously without putting crap anywhere) as from memory JB has always worked with people who had not won a title at the top level, thus it allowed him to 'mould' the individual and teach them many aspects - basically, create a 'father/son' type of relationship. In the case of Stoner, having already won a title he (CS) would already have expectations etc and would likely be far to set in his ways at this stage of his career for JB who seems to prefer the 'tutor' method.

Now, alternately of course JB would likely be the very thing that CS would need in order to refocus his energies and make further challenges as one thing that JB does seem to do is man-manage very well the individual personality (given it is not his job, it is impressive).


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 16 2009, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As Burgess said, in the end it is the riders riding the bikes, not the mechanics, and Stoner, Pedrosa and Lorenzo so far have not been as consistent and effective as Rossi in the long distance, as riders. This may change, but for the moment it is a fact.

I rate JB as one of the great unsung legends of the modern motorcycling environment and personally do not enjoy seeing him not get due credit for his work with the many riders that he has taken to titles throught the years.

But, what he says here is correct and of course the most important aspect of a championship, is consistency as without it one will not win a championship. Race wins are fine, places are good but mixing DNF's in will not provide the consistency required - so JB is spot on as he usually is.





Gaz

<span style="color:#000080<u>Burgess:</u> "If I was racing I'd be quite happy to be <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%on the bike that the world champion has developed over a number of years. If you can beat the world champion on that bike then there's a good chance you'll be beating everybody else too.

"I think it's a good place to be. When you understand the bike like the world champion then you'll be able to take your share of wins and to be fair he's beaten us a couple of times. <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%But it is not an easy job beating Valentino."

<span style="color:#000080<u>Rossi:</u> "<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%For me it is also important what Jerry thinks. I don't know if Jerry wants to continue after next year. If Jerry says to me that he wants to stop, <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%it is another story to continue without him and it would be a big question mark and very difficult. To restart with another chief mechanic after more than ten years <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%would be very difficult and something I would have to consider a lot."

Now, there you have mutual respect and admiration… What a team!

On another matter, Rossi has always tried, and tried, and tried… there has been 163 Top Class Races since 2000; Rossi has started 163 Races since 2000. An average of 100% Starts without missing a single one! There you have dedication and passion from both of them for the Sport!

'Top' talented and 'Top' Dedication… No wonder so many wins!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 16 2009, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>CS would need in order to refocus his energies…

Gaz

But that's exactly what he currently does not have… 'Energies'. Wasn't it 'Fatigue'? (Sorry Gaz, I had to say that, could not ressit. I know, Stupid joke of mine, don't pay attention).

VR-JB total wins is currently 77...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 16 2009, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>VR-JB total wins is currently 77...

Yes J4rn0, 77 wins ok… But 163 Starts out of 163 Races in Top Class, obviously makes 100% average starts without missing a single one… That’s ‘Dedication’ and Passion (not only ‘Talent’) for the Sport!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Sep 16 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But that's exactly what he currently does not have… 'Energies'. Wasn't it 'Fatigue'? (Sorry Gaz, I had to say that, could not ressit. I know, Stupid joke of mine, don't pay attention).

V, not stupid at all, nor actually a joke (so no need for apologies).

It is exactly what I do mean (but don't want to distract from the thread and turn it again) as a person like JB is somewhat of an oracle in the sport and I personally have no doubts that each and every factory, and each and every rider could benefit from him (and for those that may think - no, not distracting from Rossi either).






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 17 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>V, not stupid at all, nor actually a joke (so no need for apologies).

It is exactly what I do mean (but don't want to distract from the thread and turn it again) as a person like JB is somewhat of an oracle in the sport and I personally have no doubts that each and every factory, and each and every rider could benefit from him (and for those that may think - no, not distracting from Rossi either).


Gaz


'Oracle' very good, he does know every detail of winning a Motogp champ or 12, I do agree here Gaz, what would be great would be if JB passed on his 'Oracle' ways to someone or a couple of someones in different teams and see what they could do with it.........prove or disprove the enigma theory

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Sep 16 2009, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>'Oracle' very good, he does know every detail of winning a Motogp champ or 12, I do agree here Gaz, what would be great would be if JB passed on his 'Oracle' ways to someone or a couple of someones in different teams and see what they could do with it.........prove or disprove the enigma theory
I won't say that JB has made an effort to tutor the crew around him. After all, with the rate of change of riders and mechanics, your teammate one year is a rival the next. No reason to give them too much advantage, even in the garage. But I'd imagine there has to be a lot to be learned just be working alongside JB. Hayden's crewchief was Pete Benson after he was one of the few remaining after the exodus. He was a pretty solid crewchief, although I don't think he had the same problem solving and critical thinking attributes that JB has. Clearly Rossi gives him tremendous feedback and would make any crewchief look unbelievable, but the amount of Sunday mornings where Rossi magically finds a setting to improve a half second is astounding. Not to take away from Rossi, but I have to think JB plays a major role in those small miracles.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 16 2009, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Clearly Rossi gives him tremendous feedback and would make any crewchief look unbelievable, but the amount of Sunday mornings where Rossi magically finds a setting to improve a half second is astounding. Not to take away from Rossi, but I have to think JB plays a major role in those small miracles.

Burgess definitely has a major role in those small miracles… Chief Mechanic!

Although I also think Rossi & Burgess use some FPs time to analyze competition, hold their cards, etc. and of course ‘setup’. Instead of just putting all the effort into gaining self confidence making sure they prove to be the fastest, which explains a lot of them half seconds. This makes it more of a possibility that can be proven, and not an un-explainable faith or miracle luck (Champ has to have luck alright). I deduce it’s a bit more in the tactics.

Side Note: Talking about ‘miracles’, as I said in another thread, to the vast billions of stars in billions of galaxies, that could be in billions of parallel universes and so on; if God exists, I don’t think it would care about a Silly Race or Rider!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Sep 16 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Burgess definitely has a major role in those small miracles… Chief Mechanic!

Although I also think Rossi & Burgess use some FPs time to analyze competition, hold their cards, etc. and of course ‘setup’. Instead of just putting all the effort into gaining self confidence making sure they prove to be the fastest, which explains a lot of them half seconds. This makes it more of a possibility that can be proven, and not an un-explainable faith or miracle luck (Champ has to have luck alright). I deduce it’s a bit more in the tactics.

Side Note: Talking about ‘miracles’, as I said in another thread, to the vast billions of stars in billions of galaxies, that could be in billions of parallel universes and so on; if God exists, I don’t think it would care about a Silly Race or Rider!
Not at all saying it's luck. I'm saying they bust their ..... Saturday night analyzing data and come up with a setup. I wouldn't agree with the sentiment that they're playing possum and merely waiting until Sunday morning to show the speed. Why? What's different about those weekends versus the ones where Rossi is fast in every session? There are weekends where they struggle to find a proper setup, they stay up all night and come up with a setting to try in WUP and it's generally a strong step forward. I think JB plays a huge part in those occasions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 17 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not at all saying it's luck. I'm saying they bust their ..... Saturday night analyzing data and come up with a setup. I wouldn't agree with the sentiment that they're playing possum and merely waiting until Sunday morning to show the speed. Why? What's different about those weekends versus the ones where Rossi is fast in every session? There are weekends where they struggle to find a proper setup, they stay up all night and come up with a setting to try in WUP and it's generally a strong step forward. I think JB plays a huge part in those occasions.


Spot on here, JB and MD also use to often come up with the magic in morning WUP, more so in the early days but nevertheless he is a master

I think JB & Rossi make a great team.
But if JB was to leave, would Rossi really hang up his helmet?
I think he loves the competition too much. I think he'd stay.