Valencia Tests 8-9 November 2011

povol · Nov 14, 2011

Jumkie said:
Povol, since you've expressed your disapproval of the new CRT future of MotoGP, to the point of saying you would lose interest and 'threaten' to not watch and leave the sport, I have a question for you. Will you leave the sport given the fact that this is no longer a proposal but a reality for next season and eventual full integration?

Btw, here is a bit more doom and gloom about the performance outlook for the future. Scary.

http://www.superbike...Nov/111114a.htm

If GP runs off the factories in favor of CRT spec machinery, i will no longer spend a dime to attend another race. I will treat Moto GP just like i treated AMA. I will still watch on TV if convenient, but would save my GP money for WSBK trip to Miller. There is very few things i will set an alarm for 4am to watch. GP is one of them, maybe the only one. I cant see myself doing that for CRT spec machines.

HEISMAN · Nov 14, 2011

povol said:
If GP runs off the factories in favor of CRT spec machinery, i will no longer spend a dime to attend another race. I will treat Moto GP just like i treated AMA. I will still watch on TV if convenient, but would save my GP money for WSBK trip to Miller. There is very few things i will set an alarm for 4am to watch. GP is one of them, maybe the only one. I cant see myself doing that for CRT spec machines.

So would you opposed it MotoGP became like F1?

Where teams would buy prototype engines from manufacturers and then put them in their own in house designed chassis?

povol · Nov 14, 2011

Jumkie said:
Povol continues to ignore the fact that rules have continually changed. He still hasn't answered me because he knows logically (well maybe I'm giving him too much credit here), he cannot make the connection that "prototype" racing is simply governed by rules, just like the previous formula and the next formula. He won't stop watching, because his threats are as empty as other's I've read regarding the next evolution of the sport.

2012 and 2013 will be no different. The sport will continue to evolve and people afraid of change will continue to whine about it.

I saw that list on Superbike Planet as well, and during that time frame, performance increased every year with those changes. I will simply not pay to see something ive already seen. I did it to AMA, i did it to Nascar, i did it to CART, GP is no different. I will catch them on the tube at my convenience

cliche guevara · Nov 14, 2011

povol said:
If GP runs off the factories in favor of CRT spec machinery, i will no longer spend a dime to attend another race. I will treat Moto GP just like i treated AMA. I will still watch on TV if convenient, but would save my GP money for WSBK trip to Miller. There is very few things i will set an alarm for 4am to watch. GP is one of them, maybe the only one. I cant see myself doing that for CRT spec machines.

come on, crt bikes are still prototypes, the only restrction compared to the current rules is that the engine must have started its life as a superbike engine. and anyways, those engines will be quite different beasts from the 180hp bike you can buy at your dealer so no worries there for me (although i'm afraid this will lead to dozens of inline 4 bikes, a sound i don't really like)

i want gp to stay gp too, and quite frankly i embrace the changes as long as they serve to make the series more healthy and irrelevant of that : how awesome will it be that when i ride my yamaha i know i've got a comparable beast unter the fuel tank compared to that of lorenzo

povol · Nov 14, 2011

HEISMAN said:
So would you opposed it MotoGP became like F1?

Where teams would buy prototype engines from manufacturers and then put them in their own in house designed chassis?

Depends. If they run 2-3 seconds slower than todays bikes, yes, i would oppose that.

Tom · Nov 14, 2011

cliché guevara said:
come on, crt bikes are still prototypes, the only restrction compared to the current rules is that the engine must have started its life as a superbike engine.

No, the engine does not have to be production based at all. If you want to enter CRT with a full prototype motor you can, BQR Inmotec were testing one just last week

povol · Nov 14, 2011

cliché guevara said:
come on, crt bikes are still prototypes, the only restrction compared to the current rules is that the engine must have started its life as a superbike engine. and anyways, those engines will be quite different beasts from the 180hp bike you can buy at your dealer so no worries there for me (although i'm afraid this will lead to dozens of inline 4 bikes, a sound i don't really like)

i want gp to stay gp too, and quite frankly i embrace the changes as long as they serve to make the series more healthy and irrelevant of that : how awesome will it be that when i ride my yamaha i know i've got a comparable beast unter the fuel tank compared to that of lorenzo

I dont think that is a restriction. A CRT team can build an engine from scratch i think, but few will because of cost.

cliche guevara · Nov 14, 2011

sorry guys too many bowls to write properly^^

i meant that realistically it has to be one of the current superbike engines as none of them exceed the 81mm bore limit and my guess that developing your own engine that surpasses the current sbk beasts will be astronomically expensive for crt teams

cliche guevara · Nov 14, 2011

didn't know that about the bqr, what kind of engine are they using?

my only worry with CRT (in the long term) is the possible loss of that awesome v4 grunt

Jumkie · Nov 14, 2011

cliché guevara said:
come on, crt bikes are still prototypes, the only restrction compared to the current rules is that the engine must have started its life as a superbike engine. and anyways, those engines will be quite different beasts from the 180hp bike you can buy at your dealer so no worries there for me (although i'm afraid this will lead to dozens of inline 4 bikes, a sound i don't really like)

i want gp to stay gp too, and quite frankly i embrace the changes as long as they serve to make the series more healthy and irrelevant of that : how awesome will it be that when i ride my yamaha i know i've got a comparable beast unter the fuel tank compared to that of lorenzo

I'm not sure the highlighted part is correct.

Anyway, I honestly don't think this is the issue Pov has with the CRT, but who am I to question his motives. Pov cannot explain what is the difference between rules that produce a motorcycle and rules that produce a motorcycle. Yes, that is not a typo, I wrote it identical on purpose. Why, because that is exactly what is happening and has been happening. The series comes up with rules, and the teams produce a motorcycle around these rules. Its the same thing with CRT. Pov has it in his head that CRT entries will not be "prototype" bikes, yet, he as been unable to explain why he thinks this. I suspect its because its impossible. Next year we will have motorcycles produced in the same class based on two different set of rules. This reality should hammer the point that machines are simply creations of those rules. Think about this for a moment, as I think Pov may want to ponder this further.

And don't worry about Pov leaving the sport. He will set his alarm to watch it (unless Stoner really does leave).

Tom · Nov 14, 2011

Jumkie said:
I'm not sure the highlighted part is correct.

Anyway, I honestly don't think this is the issue Pov has with the CRT, but who am I to question his motives. Pov cannot explain what is the difference between rules that produce a motorcycle and rules that produce a motorcycle. Yes, that is not a typo, I wrote it identical on purpose. Why, because that is exactly what is happening and has been happening. The series comes up with rules, and the teams produce a motorcycle around these rules. Its the same thing with CRT. Pov has it in his head that CRT entries will not be "prototype" bikes, yet, he as been unable to explain why he thinks this. I suspect its because its impossible. Next year we will have motorcycles produced in the same class based on two different set of rules. This reality should hammer the point that machines are simply creations of those rules. Think about this for a moment, as I think Pov may want to ponder this further.

And don't worry about Pov leaving the sport. He will set his alarm to watch it (unless Stoner really does leave).

I thought Pov's objection was about laptimes getting slower. That's why he quit watching for good in 2007 when they went to 800's

povol · Nov 14, 2011

Tom said:
I thought Pov's objection was about laptimes getting slower. That's why he quit watching for good in 2007 when they went to 800's

But they didnt, hence im still watching. You guys do realize that the CRT bikes in the Valencia test were basically on par with 125 hp Moto 2 machines. Actually, i believe all but one CRT were slower than fastest Moto2 bikes, and they had perfect weather and MotoGP tires. Yea, they will get better over time, but that is embarrassing.

cliche guevara · Nov 14, 2011

kind of a weak argument, moto2 is de facto crt2 with further restrictions in form of a spec engine. those crt bikes will be much faster in no time i'm sure

Tom · Nov 14, 2011

Yes but it's extremely early days. If all the teams had tested their 990's in public literally from the 1st shakedown, with national level riders while Rossi and the others rode their sorted 500's on the same day, you would have sacked motogp there and then without question

cliche guevara · Nov 14, 2011

Tom said:
Yes but it's extremely early days. If all the teams had tested their 990's in public literally from the 1st shakedown, with national level riders while Rossi and the others rode their sorted 500's on the same day, you would have sacked motogp there and then without question

dito!

Jumkie · Nov 14, 2011

Jumkie · Nov 14, 2011

Tom said:
I thought Pov's objection was about laptimes getting slower. That's why he quit watching for good in 2007 when they went to 800's

....... Tom.

I don't think Pov will leave the sport, I think he's just bluffing like somebody else who will remain nameless.

BTW, I'd like to remind Pov that at the Valencia test recently, there were 800s ridden at very similar laps times as some 1000s. Anyway, here is that "production" based bike he is so scared of taking over MotoGP. Clearly this was a stock model from the local dealership.

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http://motomatters.c...round_up_a.html

Pov, there is no shame in retracting your previously held fears, misgivings, and lack of understanding about what is proposed for the future of prototype racing.

Nuts · Nov 14, 2011

Jumkie said:
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http://motomatters.c...round_up_a.html

That is one good looking bike.....

povol · Nov 14, 2011

Nuts said:
That is one good looking bike.....

And slower than stink off a frozen turd

Mr Squiggle · Nov 14, 2011

povol said:
And slower than stink off a frozen turd

Yeh but it looks good....superficiality is all that matters.

Anyway they could always turbo charge it, strap on some JATO's and add nitrous

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