Toseland and Edwards

Thanks, Jum. Had a good chuckle at some classics by Adams:

"Toseland now says that he regrets the debacle created when the team was effectively split in two. He is forlorn (why do I get the picture of a lonely puppy?) that Edwards won't speak to him and has had the team build a wall between their pit boxes."

" Toseland isn't the first guy in his twenties to make a head-slappingly stupid faux pas which fractured a friendship and a working relationship. Moaning to the press about it just prolongs the inevitable."

"The fix? The first step for Toseland is to walk up to Edwards, stick out his hand, simply admit that what he did was both wrong and idiotic, and tell him that he's sorry. Edwards might shake his hand or he might very well knee him right in the balls in response."

Interesting article. Interesting fix. Was it not Poncharal's decision to swap chiefs though? Just cause JT was having a whinge about Coulon and his accent doesn't mean Poncharal had to do anything about it....

Edwards has the right to be pissed at the whole f'n team though.


As to why the pohm's don't back JT, well he's a batty boy from Yorkshire, enuf said.

Just do a google image search on the bloke....

to be honest matey ive never taken to him... he seems like one of them guys thats talks the talks but doesnt walk the walk.... i hope he proves me wrong but i cant see it happening.

he showed abit of poke last season at some tracks, even had a little battle with rossi and showed some fight! but isit enough? he seems to have lost alot of confidence.

i cant see him ever getting a factory ride and il be suprised if hes even on a sattelite bike next season in motogp if he dont show some drive.

i cant even use the excuse "if he was on a decent machine maybe he would get better results" because he rides the best sattelite bike on the grid... very little difference if any to the factory machine.

ask me again at the end of this season i may have changed my mind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The fix? The first step for Toseland is to walk up to Edwards, stick out his hand, simply admit that what he did was both wrong and idiotic, and tell him that he's sorry. Edwards might shake his hand or he might very well knee him right in the balls in response. But, whatever the reaction, Toseland has to make the first move. And he has to accept whatever comes next.

Good article
After unloading himself in Jerez, a good kick in the nuts would be just what JT wants !!!!
He's probably not a bad dude, but this whole issue was a serious brain snap. Made him loo like a tool (or like Pedro).

Colin is acting like a child, JT shouldn't and probably doesn't take it personally, no doubt things would be easier if Edwards just got over himself though, not that it's Colins place to make his rivals job easier. i guess it comes down to what you think a 'team' is about. Edwards has his first chance in motogp to be a number 1 in a team and he will do all he can to cling onto that.

As for why Brits haven't jumped onto the JT bandwagone there are a few things to consider. Firstly, he is actually very popular and well supported, go to a british round and you will see that. But he doesn't get the hype of some because A. Maybe our fans are just reasonable enough not to over hype any rider who comes from out shores and pretend they are the best rider ever with the whole world working against them. And B. Brits will probably wait for someone to be really good before we start the usual process of building them up and braking them down.

I like Toseland, I like his attitude to racing and his work ethic. I'm disappointed he has had two big craches in testing and the Edwards thing can't be helping with trying to focus on the job. I hope he gets some good race results this year and doesn't tail off like last season.

I think Edwards will retire once he gets a MotoGP race win, it will be like winning the championship to him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 3 2009, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK

I have a question that I have asked here before but haven't got a real answer. When it was announced that Toseland would join MotoGP, I that, ah, we will see a solid backing of him from the resident Brits. It has always been a rather enigma for me to see Brits go all goo goo ga ga over Rossi, but I let it go because, well they haven't had one of their own to root for really. But then comes in Tose and (cue up cricket churping in the night). So again, I ask, why is it that Brit MotoGP fans have not taken Toseland as their best shot in a few decades to bring home the glory? What's the problem? Am I missing something here, why the hell don't you Brits cheer and defend the guy?
he plays the ....... piano for .... sake , how can you root for a bloke that plays a womans instrument. real men play electric guitar or drums

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 3 2009, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he plays the ....... piano for .... sake , how can you root for a bloke that plays a womans instrument. real men play electric guitar or drums
exactly! the only other famous brit piano player i can think of is elton ....... john! not really a person you want to "root" for either!

I've followed JT - funnily enough since he was Colin's Team mate (sort of), at Castrol Honda, when he rode in Supersport. Met him at SF airport after WSB Laguna in '02 when he was riding for GSE, and we couldn't get rid of him..it was a bit embarrassing -he was that affable it was overkill. Seriously, he was warm and friendly, and devoid of ego, and I always maintained that he was going places...(like back to WSB in 2010). The anti climatical disaster that was last years British GP after all the expectation and hype, did him no favours at all. I think he's been on the back foot ever since, and is trying too hard in the face of enormous pressure. You simply can't allow that to happen that at this level - and Roger Burnette will be working his bollocks off this season to rebuild the lads ailing confidence. He needs to get his head back to where it was at the opening race at Qatar in '08.

He has always had huge support here in the U.K. as evidenced at his home races, but British fans don't seem to travel en-masse since Foggy, and haven't had a tremendous amount to cheer about in GP since 1977 so we don't really get our hopes up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 3 2009, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've followed JT - funnily enough since he was Colin's Team mate (sort of), at Castrol Honda, when he rode in Supersport. Met him at SF airport after WSB Laguna in '02 when he was riding for GSE, and we couldn't get rid of him..it was a bit embarrassing -he was that affable it was overkill. Seriously, he was warm and friendly, and devoid of ego, and I always maintained that he was going places...(like back to WSB in 2010). The anti climatical disaster that was last years British GP after all the expectation and hype, did him no favours at all. I think he's been on the back foot ever since, and is trying too hard in the face of enormous pressure. You simply can't allow that to happen that at this level - and Roger Burnette will be working his bollocks off this season to rebuild the lads ailing confidence. He needs to get his head back to where it was at the opening race at Qatar in '08.

He has always had huge support here in the U.K. as evidenced at his home races, but British fans don't seem to travel en-masse since Foggy, and haven't had a tremendous amount to cheer about in GP since 1977 so we don't really get our hopes up.


why does anybody - irrespective of nationality prefer Rossi to Toseland - Really difficult question? - may have something to do with Rossi being 100x better Racer, consistently being a Champion, a Fighter and someone really worth watching -

JT - if he wants a big fan following - howabout going back to Brisitish SB .

Foggy - not much to say about him - big Fish in little pond - never made it (didn't have the balls to?) to MotoGP

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 3 2009, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Colin is acting like a child, JT shouldn't and probably doesn't take it personally, no doubt things would be easier if Edwards just got over himself though, not that it's Colins place to make his rivals job easier. i guess it comes down to what you think a 'team' is about. Edwards has his first chance in motogp to be a number 1 in a team and he will do all he can to cling onto that.
I think CE has made more of this ordeal than it really was but I wouldn't go so far as calling him childish. I think the article written over at 'Soup was a little childish. Like someone mentioned earlier, it's not as if JT has the power to simply switch mechanics whenever he feels like it. So making him out to be some villain isn't quite fair. However, he did make some noise about not working with Colon anymore and it sounds like Edwards wasn't consulted about any of it. Sure, CE could be upset with the whole team but I can understand being more publicly upset with the person who started the mess rather than the person who writes your paycheck.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Apr 3 2009, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why does anybody - irrespective of nationality prefer Rossi to Toseland - Really difficult question? - may have something to do with Rossi being 100x better Racer, consistently being a Champion, a Fighter and someone really worth watching -
Well then why watch any of them? If you want to look at motorcycle racing as a numbers game then so be it, but it won't be any fun. There's some national pride to it. He rode Supersport and BSB and is the only representative of the series (to my knowledge) on the GP grid, if that was my home series then I'd be pulling for him to bag a win or two.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 3 2009, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he plays the ....... piano for .... sake , how can you root for a bloke that plays a womans instrument. real men play electric guitar or drums

He isn't exactly Lemmy Motörhead,no.

By the way,i can see why Edwards reacted like he did.He has been the #2 in a team with Rossi for a long time and finally gets to be #1 and then they go behind his back and he don't know if he is the #1 with that happening.And the reason for all this is Toseland.So,he gets angry with the threat of the throne.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 3 2009, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he plays the ....... piano for .... sake , how can you root for a bloke that plays a womans instrument. real men play electric guitar or drums Ray Manzarek would kick you in the face.

I'd like to say it's because British fans are not so prosaic that they only support their countrymen, that's not true though is it. It could be because every British rider is compered to Sheene, & could only garner that support if they showed the same strength of personality. So as pretty as Tom & the ladies find him, as nice & hard working a guy as he appears to be, he lacks the chrisma that would take him that step beyond into the wider public domain.

Rossi's popularity in the UK is an anomally, everything I've learnt from talking about sport in pubs & on tinternet says it shouldn't be. He's not used in publicity in the UK, has never been on UK tv outside of Moto GP programmes, they don't even have a picture of him in he local Fiat garage, & it's Colin Edwards all over the local Yam dealer. It-a-makes-a-no sense.

We can't all have supported him because he said Ayrton Senna was his hero once, surely.

I've been following JT since he was riding the Vimto Honda and everyone I know finally seemed to get behind him towards the end of '07 and really supported him when he went into MotoGP, then completely disowned him after Donington last year. All James needs is a win - preferably at home - and I'm sure he'll get the support from the public.

Everyone here seems to be that fickle - one bad result and they couldn't give a toss anymore. It kinda reminds me of the way everyone turned on Amir Khan after the Prescott fight - one defeat and everyone who claimed to be a fan of his was saying he's finished now, and how they supposedly knew he was crap all along.

As for Edwards, I couldn't care less what he thinks of James 'stealing' his crew chief. I stopped listening to him after he blamed Hayden for the time he crashed at Assen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Apr 3 2009, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ray Manzarek would kick you in the face.
Or isaac hayes (until fairly recently).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stevo @ Apr 4 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been following JT since he was riding the Vimto Honda and everyone I know finally seemed to get behind him towards the end of '07 and really supported him when he went into MotoGP, then completely disowned him after Donington last year. All James needs is a win - preferably at home - and I'm sure he'll get the support from the public.

Everyone here seems to be that fickle - one bad result and they couldn't give a toss anymore. It kinda reminds me of the way everyone turned on Amir Khan after the Prescott fight - one defeat and everyone who claimed to be a fan of his was saying he's finished now, and how they supposedly knew he was crap all along.

As for Edwards, I couldn't care less what he thinks of James 'stealing' his crew chief. I stopped listening to him after he blamed Hayden for the time he crashed at Assen.The grandstands were on their feet clapping him after he came off at Redgate, if anything it appeard to strengthen resolve.

I think you'll find that Amir Khan turning slowly into a detestable, arogant, Prince Naseem the second is what made everyone stop liking him. That & signing for Sky, for me anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 4 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or isaac hayes (until fairly recently).You're Daaaaaaaamn right

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 3 2009, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>to be honest matey ive never taken to him... he seems like one of them guys thats talks the talks but doesnt walk the walk.... i hope he proves me wrong but i cant see it happening.

he showed abit of poke last season at some tracks, even had a little battle with rossi and showed some fight! but isit enough? he seems to have lost alot of confidence.

i cant see him ever getting a factory ride and il be suprised if hes even on a sattelite bike next season in motogp if he dont show some drive.

i cant even use the excuse "if he was on a decent machine maybe he would get better results" because he rides the best sattelite bike on the grid... very little difference if any to the factory machine.

ask me again at the end of this season i may have changed my mind.
Yeah Edwards sucks alright

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Apr 4 2009, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The grandstands were on their feet clapping him after he came off at Redgate, if anything it appeard to strengthen resolve.
I remember he got a great response at the race, with everyone applauding him every time he came round. It just seems like since then everyone I know who follows the sport seems to have pretty much given up on him - maybe because the press built him up like he was gonna win races in his first year, especially after his ride at Qatar, and he hasn't quite lived up to the hype yet. I'm still well impressed with the way he rode last year, though I can see him back in WSB if he doesn't win a race or two this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Apr 4 2009, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you'll find that Amir Khan turning slowly into a detestable, arogant, Prince Naseem the second is what made everyone stop liking him. That & signing for Sky, for me anyway.I can't really argue with you saying he's getting arrogant these days, but he'll never be half as cocky and mouthy as Nas was. But I still get the impression people didn't mind it so much while he was undefeated.

I think the British are waiting for that ginger kid Bradley Smith to step up.