Thread watched MotoGP: 2024 Round 3 Grand Prix of The Americas April 12-14

[dogfight]

You are not happy obviously, but I see MM has no where to go next year.

You can but hope I guess.

30 points after 3 races, is it really big?
A 2 times champs, riding a supposedly dominant bike, that combination is clearly a match for any rider you can name here.

For whatever 2024 MotoGP outcome, my future will be always much brighter than yours.

You mean the guy currently 5th in the championship and 30 points off the leader? You really think He and Vinales are a decent match for Acosta? If you do, the future is even greyer for you.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

You are not happy obviously, but I see MM has no where to go next year.



30 points after 3 races, is it really big?
A 2 times champs, riding a supposedly dominant bike, that combination is clearly a match for any rider you can name here.

For whatever 2024 MotoGP outcome, my future will be always much brighter than yours.

Woof woof dogturd. What makes you think the rider who provides the most sponsorship money to a team has no where to go? Obviously you don't like him so you are trying to push a false agenda against him. Wishful thinking at best.

Word to the wise, if you keep staring at the sun you will eventually go blind.

 

[michaelm]

You are not happy obviously, but I see MM has no where to go next year.



30 points after 3 races, is it really big?
A 2 times champs, riding a supposedly dominant bike, that combination is clearly a match for any rider you can name here.

For whatever 2024 MotoGP outcome, my future will be always much brighter than yours.

Your future ?. We have Bagnaia himself on our humble site folks.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

Your future ?. We have Bagnaia himself on our humble site folks.

Probably just another Uccio troll account.

 

[dogfight]

"No where" here means no good factory options. He can still be happy with Gresini next year.

Woof woof dogturd. What makes you think the rider who provides the most sponsorship money to a team has no where to go? Obviously you don't like him so you are trying to push a false agenda against him. Wishful thinking at best.

Word to the wise, if you keep staring at the sun you will eventually go blind.

 

[dogfight]

#22 did personal attack on me first, do you think is was a good behavior? Why do you want to join him? You and #22 have been here since 2007/2008, then you could be both mature men, loyal to the best MotoGP forum, but did personal attack those who disagree with you?

Your future ?. We have Bagnaia himself on our humble site folks.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

#22 did personal attack on me first, do you think is was a good behavior? Why do you want to join him? You and #22 have been here since 2007/2008, then you could be both mature men, loyal to the best MotoGP forum, but did personal attack those who disagree with you?

#22 was playing on your words, I don't think it was a personal attack. It was more of a light hearted banter which we love.. We get a lot of people around here that come in to just spew hate about MM. We dispense of trolls rather quickly. Its on you to prove you are more than that. But welcome man, enjoy the debates enjoy the banter.

 

[michaelm]

#22 did personal attack on me first, do you think is was a good behavior? Why do you want to join him? You and #22 have been here since 2007/2008, then you could be both mature men, loyal to the best MotoGP forum, but did personal attack those who disagree with you?

It annoys me when people identify themselves with sporting teams or sportspeople, but if you are posting in your second or third language I was perhaps harsh.

And I go back further than that, I was a Doohan fan before I was a Stoner and Lorenzo fan, and indeed respect the great traditions of the sport, hence my respect for MM’s talent,. It will of course be over for him sooner rather than later, but his talent will continue to dwarf Bagnaia’s as I strongly suspect will his achievements when both are retired.

 

[dogfight]

I have been watching MotoGP since 1996, and been reading this forum since old days with the original name, I like the way people discuss here / that's why I believe this always been the best Motogp forum.

From your experience, do you think hating a rider is bad for the forum?

#22 was playing on your words, I don't think it was a personal attack. It was more of a light hearted banter which we love.. We get a lot of people around here that come in to just spew hate about MM. We dispense of trolls rather quickly. Its on you to prove you are more than that. But welcome man, enjoy the debates enjoy the banter.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

I have been watching MotoGP since 1996, and been reading this forum since old days with the original name, I like the way people discuss here / that's why I believe this always been the best Motogp forum.

From your experience, do you think hating a rider is bad for the forum?

Honestly? No I don't think its bad to "hate" or dislike a rider. As long as you can hate the racer and not the man. To me it adds to the enjoyment to have riders I don't like. It makes victory sweeter. I had strong things to say about Stoner back in the day. I was not a fan but in his retirement I have grown to like him a lot. I loved having him in the paddock to make the races more enjoyable. There are riders now that I can't stand but I wish them no harm and am happy they are here for me to dislike. But I hate none of them. Except Rossi I hate him. But understand not liking a rider may come with some clap back from forum members who are fans. Enjoy the banter don't take it to heart.

 

[dogfight]

I dont know why you post about career achievement here? MM is no doubt one of the greatest, but I believe his prime is over. Now riding an inferior machine, he is indeed in a very difficult situation this season with 3 GP24, Vinales now strong, and Acosta brilliant. His style perfectly matches the Honda characteristics where we see V line approaching the apex, but isn't the case with the Duc. Last 3 races he cannot dive into the corner like we have seen previously.

It annoys me when people identify themselves with sporting teams or sportspeople, but if you are posting in your second or third language I was perhaps harsh.

And I go back further than that, I was a Doohan fan before I was a Stoner and Lorenzo fan, and indeed respect the great traditions of the sport, hence my respect for MM’s talent,. It will of course be over for him sooner rather than later, but his talent will continue to dwarf Bagnaia’s as I strongly suspect will his achievements when both are retired.

 

[Keshav]

You are not happy obviously, but I see MM has no where to go next year.



30 points after 3 races, is it really big?
A 2 times champs, riding a supposedly dominant bike, that combination is clearly a match for any rider you can name here.

For whatever 2024 MotoGP outcome, my future will be always much brighter than yours.

Named your avatar after the thing your meat course does just before it gets put on the đồ nướng? (BBQ) Just kidding!
I’ll let myself out.

 

[Keshav]

I dont know why you post about career achievement here? MM is no doubt one of the greatest, but I believe his prime is over. Now riding an inferior machine, he is indeed in a very difficult situation this season with 3 GP24, Vinales now strong, and Acosta brilliant. His style perfectly matches the Honda characteristics where we see V line approaching the apex, but isn't the case with the Duc. Last 3 races he cannot dive into the corner like we have seen previously.

People continue to mention his past achievements because it gives perspective, and hints at MM’s future potential, which we witnessed a great deal of at COTA. You seen rather keen on discounting him altogether, and experience has shown that the greats of this sport have not infrequently surpassed expectations when all the journos have written them off. Many thought Rossi should have retired at 30 and he surprised them quite a bit. That Marquez can’t ride the Duc like a Honda is not exactly front page news. That said, his capacity to ride around problems and design deficiencies is well documented. You seem incapable of giving him the benefit of the doubt as regards his ability to learn a totally new (to him) bike and to learn to change his style of riding to suit. I say, he can do it. Just not overnight. Have a little patience. Remember how many people had written off Vinales, saying he’d never see the top of the podium? Moreover, if MM does not win another championship, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he’s a “loser”. If after all he’s been through, riding the ...... Honda for the last 4 or 5 seasons, and all the injuries, at his age, that, will be an accomplishment to be admired. He’s been a heroic rider and real heroes are not lightly discarded.

 

[mylexicon]

I do not understand all this doom and gloom for Marquez... He was the fastest Ducati rider on Sunday. Its true he was having issues with the brakes, part of that is probably due to still needing more seat time. Marqez has always been a rider that finds the limit by going past it and often crashing, I remember a couple weekends where he would crash every practice session and still win the race on Sunday

COTA is a place Marquez can win with one hand tied behind his back. His performance in the GP was good, but it wasn't standout. He's adapting to a new bike, and the front brake had issues, and he knocked one of the winglets off and so forth, but Marquez fans don't have a lot to defend "their guy", and Marquez haters have a couple of DNF's.

It seems inevitable that Marc will score big points at several rounds, but as of now, he hasn't shown race winning pace, which means the championship is out of reach. Long season, though.

 

[Hollywood]

COTA is a place Marquez can win with one hand tied behind his back. His performance in the GP was good, but it wasn't standout. He's adapting to a new bike, and the front brake had issues, and he knocked one of the winglets off and so forth, but Marquez fans don't have a lot to defend "their guy", and Marquez haters have a couple of DNF's.

It seems inevitable that Marc will score big points at several rounds, but as of now, he hasn't shown race winning pace, which means the championship is out of reach. Long season, though.

Marquez was the fastest Ducati rider at COTA, surely he would have been on the podium had he not crashed, and he has finished 2nd twice in Sprint races. As far as I am concerned Marc is playing with house money, he doesn't need a championship in order to have a successful season.

 

[JPSLotus]

COTA is a place Marquez can win with one hand tied behind his back. His performance in the GP was good, but it wasn't standout. He's adapting to a new bike, and the front brake had issues, and he knocked one of the winglets off and so forth, but Marquez fans don't have a lot to defend "their guy", and Marquez haters have a couple of DNF's.

It seems inevitable that Marc will score big points at several rounds, but as of now, he hasn't shown race winning pace, which means the championship is out of reach. Long season, though.

If he hadn't had the brake issue, I think it would have been a very interesting final few laps with a possible shootout between MM and Maverick. But I think Maverick was going to win that race no matter what based on the speed he showed all weekend. I was watching his pole lap the other day on Facebook. I just can't fathom having that kind of speed on a motorcycle, it seemed almost impossible. Throttle WOT on turn 10.

https://fb.watch/rv-Ah8vv8B/

But I will say with respects to Marc, it feels like he's on the cusp of something. There's improvement every race weekend, not yet to the point of challenging for wins, but at the point that he is making life very uncomfortable for this group of riders that haven't actually had the MM experience.

 

[michaelm]

#22 did personal attack on me first, do you think is was a good behavior? Why do you want to join him? You and #22 have been here since 2007/2008, then you could be both mature men, loyal to the best MotoGP forum, but did personal attack those who disagree with you?

It annoys me when people identify themselves with sporting teams or sportspeople, bit if you are posting in your second or third language I was perhaps harsh.

And I go back further than that, I was a Doohan fan before I was a Stoner and Lorenzo fan, and indeed respect the great traditions of the sport, hence my respect gor MM’s talent,. It will of course be over for him sooner rather than later, but his talent will continue to dwarf Bagnaia’s as I strongly suspect will his achievements when both are retired.

I dont know why you post about career achievement here? MM is no doubt one of the greatest, but I believe his prime is over. Now riding an inferior machine, he is indeed in a very difficult situation this season with 3 GP24, Vinales now strong, and Acosta brilliant. His style perfectly matches the Honda characteristics where we see V line approaching the apex, but isn't the case with the Duc. Last 3 races he cannot dive into the corner like we have seen previously. Rd just find your logic strange p

I dont know why you post about career achievement here? MM is no doubt one of the greatest, but I believe his prime is over. Now riding an inferior machine, he is indeed in a very difficult situation this season with 3 GP24, Vinales now strong, and Acosta brilliant. His style perfectly matches the Honda characteristics where we see V line approaching the apex, but isn't the case with the Duc. Last 3 races he cannot dive into the corner like we have seen previously.

You earlier in the thread mentioned Bagnaia being a two time defending champion and hence someone who can easily make up 30 points in the title race. So how does MM being faster than him in the last 2 races on a bike which if it is the start of the 2023 season bike is indeed an inferior bike and one on which Bagnaia struggled early in the 2023 season. himself mean MM is past it ?.I don’t think Bagnaia himself considers MM negligible, hence the stupid move in the second last race. The crash at COTA also does not appear to have been due to a riding error from MM. if he continues to crash every race then his future may indeed be limited, but otherwise he seems to be confirming he still has the pace. He is also not currently on a GP 24 because he didn’t want to sign with Pramac for more than one year, which would rather suggest he has options which he is keeping open, and as has been said can bring more sponsorship to a team than any other rider. And if you identify yourself with Bagnaia and consider his prospects to be yours it does rather suggest you are not an MM fan, and we have had a cavalcade of MM detractors on here, mostly expressing dislike of MM on the basis of him doing wrong to Rossi in 2015 which many on here consider to be entirely spurious.

 

[MichaelBolton]

Judging by their statements to the press, seems like Domenicali and Dall'igna are very impressed with Marc's performance during the weekend despite the Sunday DNF. They can analyze the data in depth so who knows what they saw. Also they probably expected the other GP23s to be much better than what they've been like so far in the season, Marc is the only one hanging out with the top contenders while the others are firmly in the midfield.

 

[warthog1]

It annoys me when people identify themselves with sporting teams or sportspeople, bit if you are posting in your second or third language I was perhaps harsh.

And I go back further than that, I was a Doohan fan before I was a Stoner and Lorenzo fan, and indeed respect the great traditions of the sport, hence my respect gor MM’s talent,. It will of course be over for him sooner rather than later, but his talent will continue to dwarf Bagnaia’s as I strongly suspect will his achievements when both are retired.

Given Marquez's achievements and impact on the sport from his very first season, when he won the title, for someone to come on here and run him down as an also ran on their very first post, makes it very hard to take them seriously.
It strongly suggests another member of the valeban or at the very least someone who has not watched enough to see and appreciate the sublime skill Marquez has so often displayed.
Second language or not, the content of that post deserved contempt.

 

[michaelm]

I dont know why you post about career achievement here? MM is no doubt one of the greatest, but I believe his prime is over. Now riding an inferior machine, he is indeed in a very difficult situation this season with 3 GP24, Vinales now strong, and Acosta brilliant. His style perfectly matches the Honda characteristics where we see V line approaching the apex, but isn't the case with the Duc. Last 3 races he cannot dive into the corner like we have seen previously.

Mucked it up first time I posted.

You yourself earlier in the thread mentioned Bagnaia being a two time defending champion who can easily make up a 30 point deficit.

So why draw the curtains on the career of a guy who has won the MotoGP title 6 times and has been faster than Bagnaia in the last 2 races ?, and crashed out for reasons other than rider error, the error actually being committed by your boy Bagnaia in the second last race. And this indeed is on an inferior 2023 Ducati, rumoured to be equivalent to the bike which started thr 2023 season rather than the bike which finished that season, and a bike on which Bagnaia himself struggled early last season as I recall. Bagnaia doesn’t seem to regard him as negligible btw, hence the ill judged move when passed by MM.

Sure if MM crashes out of every race this season it won’t matter how fast he is before crashing, but he is not crashing due to rider error so there is no reason to assume he will keep doing so. .

He also is not on a GP 24 right now because he wanted to keep his options open by not signing with Pramac for 2 seasons, an offer which was made to him, rather suggesting he has options. He also can bring more sponsorship than any other rider on the grid as has been said .

So you seemed to be exulting about MM’s future being “gray” as you put it in and gave no justification for this being the case,,hence attracting adverse response on a forum populated by a nest of MM fans as you must know is the case if you are an habitue, We have had a cavalcade of anti-MM detractors on here who mostly dislike MM on the basis of him supposedly wronging Rossi in 2025, which many on here consider to be complete balderdash. So it was easy even if perhaps unfair to place you with the Valeban.