Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
Joined Apr 2015
6K Posts | 5K+
NJ
Oh I don't want him injured, I just want him to see what it's like to get run wide or punted off his bike. It's all fun and games till someone does it to you.
Biaggi famously almost ran him off the track at full speed early on.
An inch is as good as a mile.
An inch is as good as a mile.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
Getting run wide happens to every single rider on the track. It's part of racing. Rossi never punted anyone, but on-track collisions happen all the time as well and I'm pretty sure every rider has fallen victim to getting taken out. .... happens. Can't handle it? Maybe there's some toddler mini-bike racing you can follow... but they probably rub fairings from time to time as well. Perhaps golf is something you'd enjoy... they usually take it easy with the golf carts.
Last edited:
He certainly punted Casey Stoner at Jerez in 2011, but by an egregiously stupid rather than deliberate move. Stoner somehow became the villain of the piece in that incident as well, which is one reason I among others am not letting the recent incident go, particularly since Rossi is blatantly demonising MM in this case rather than it being possible to attribute things just to an extreme element among his fans.
I have asked before of others with your sympathies to no avail, but please provide examples of other riders being "run wide" in a fashion similar to the Sepang incident if it was a routine and unremarkable occurrence.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
Getting run wide is getting run wide... end result of losing time and maybe a position is the same. These guys are paid millions to race motorcycles inches from each other while fighting for position on the same racing line. INCIDENTS will happen... some more deliberate than others but it's the excitement that draws fans to the sport.
You can hate Rossi and love Stoner or love Marquez, everyone has riders that they like best. But JPSLotus stating he wants Rossi to get run wide or punted so he could see what it feels like is ridiculous. EVERY pro rider knows what it feels like to be run wide or taken out of a race. I guess next season someone needs to ram Marquez in the last chicane at Assen, smash into him at Argentina, and cut his traction control wire at Aragon... just so he can know what it feels like?? Lol, it's all ridiculous.
I asked for an example of someone being "run wide" as MM was, not motherhood statements .
Povol, Dr No and I , 3 of the leading protagonists against your view of this incident have all said before your post that a rider crashing or even more so being injured should never be wished for, and I in fact brought up that Bautista had taken out Rossi fairly recently in an earlier post on this thread.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
Very few incidents are going to be exactly the same. MM got run wide, so what? He wanted to fight it out with Rossi, he got what he wanted. If they want to go at each other again, then myself and millions of other fans want to see it.
Last edited:
Stuff and nonsense, and more motherhood statements. You can try to spin this all you like, we both know this wasn't a routine racing incident, and was in fact a quite bizarre and fairly much unprecedented non-racing move, for which more to the point RD actually penalised him, something else without much in the way of precedent.
There is running wide ............... and then there was Sepang
The difference you may ask?
Well, generally running wide is done at race pace or extremely close to race pace, not at a pace significantly below the 'standard' pace of the corner on which it has occurred (remembder Rossi's immediate reported post race statement and those of RD initially - VR admitted to 'slowing to a near stop)
What happened at Sepang was NOT a standard race move, what happened at Sepang was a petulant response to a perceived wrong where someone decided tp take the 'law' into their own hands.
You may want to see that kind of riding and behaviour, I would rather watch people RACE in a manner that does not involve slowing well below race pace to make a statement.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
I don't have to spin it at all. It was bizarre because it would've been the most polite case of a rider running another wide since Rossi slowed Marc all the way down first. Other riders would just run him wide at full race speeds. Rossi penalized and racing continued. No big deal.
So you feel it is ok to 'race' by slowing to a (self admitted) 'near stop' ?
That is not racing, that is a petulant reaction and on a live track it is extremely dangerous (and yes, I have seen collisions between very slow riders and riders at race pace)
Rossi in Sepang made an extremely poor choice - he chose to race no longer but to react.
You say you have no need to spin it but continue to do so. Riders are not penalised for routinely running another rider wide.
Also while I consider Jumkie to have been hyperbolic in his assessment of the dangers of the incident, it was on a live track to which Gaz has alluded, a situation where it is never possible to be confident about what following riders might do. The main defence which has been offered in regard to the danger of the incident was that it was away from the racing line, which further belies your argument concerning Rossi having routinely run MM wide.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
I think that compared to running Marc wide at full race speed, it was better to slow him and pull off the racing line.
I'm not so sure either of them were racing as much as they were fighting.
I know Rossi said he has no regrets, but I doubt he'll ever do that again. Rossi has nearly got the best of Marc every time they have tangled, he doesn't have to resort to such a drastic measure. I'm confident he will do a better job keeping his cool in the future.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
Riders are penalized for running another wide if they make it so obvious and even admit to it afterward. Most of the time they mess with each other by doing very small things that most viewers don't even notice.
For someone with no need to spin things you do seem to change your narrative rather often. So now Rossi is to be commended for not doing something worse?
He had the options of continuing to race MM or accepting he couldn't pass him. Why did he need to take any alternative course of action to these? Whatever MM's motives, which are immaterial and only came into question because of the Rossi end of season narrative imo, all he did was race Rossi, and in the whole sequence Rossi was at least an equal participant, making one more pass than MM did in fact since he started from behind him; the incident in question was not an attempted pass by either him or MM, btw.
Joined Oct 2015
2K Posts | 827+
Texas
Marquez accused Rossi of being a cheat @ both Assen & Argentina. So all of a sudden when Rossi makes his own accusation against MM later in the season it's bad and MM needs to retaliate?
IMO, both riders are hot headed with big egos and they clashed. It was unfamiliar territory for both. Rossi never accused another rider of intentionally slowing him down to assist another win the championship. Whether it was all in his head or not, that's something he never dealt with before and his emotions built up. Marquez already had high emotions because he failed to defend his championship and overall had a bad season because of his own poor choices that he fails to own up to.
Last edited:
Again you avoid the question and make motherhood statements, but for my interest when prior to the late season controversy when it became part of the narrative from Rossi and his apologists as to why MM had animus against Rossi did MM make any accusations about Rossi, particularly at an official press conference?
