The old boy has them worried.

Richy56 said:

thanks for showing my point exactly. Well put.

MM chose to race Rossi, rossi got mad... The world ended

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Yeah but Reggie, you need to find where I ever said MM was wrong to race Rossi, or even find where I said Rossi was right or his accusations in the PC were in order... Start looking and see you back here when you've found anything:spin::spin::spin:

What you are saying is that Lorenzo comments stopped the party, which it didn't .....because.........

the party wasn't cancelled in 2010 when the boot was on the other foot (Rossi racing Lorenzo whilst not in the title hunt, in 2015 MM was not in the title hunt and raced Rossi .....get it)


Cue yellow smoke.

Richy56 said:

What you are saying is that Lorenzo comments stopped the party, which it didn't .....because.........

the party wasn't cancelled in 2010 when the boot was on the other foot (Rossi racing Lorenzo whilst not in the title hunt, in 2015 MM was not in the title hunt and raced Rossi .....get it)


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You're not making sense Reggie, Lorenzo got his party in 2010 and presumably 2012 as I've not heard different , there was no end of season controversy in those years was there?

To put it simply without trying again to show you logic, in my opinion vale boy, 46s meltdown was the reason the party was cancelled in 2015.

If 46 didn't have his meltdown, the party would have gone ahead.

There was no controversy in 2010 cos Rossi said it was just racing, and the world believed him....again

Richy56 said:

To put it simply without trying again to show you logic, in my opinion vale boy, 46s meltdown was the reason the party was cancelled in 2015.

If 46 didn't have his meltdown, the party would have gone ahead.

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because 46 had his meltdown there was argument and hubris floating around and Jorge missed a great chance to be the bigger man by his own antics which he has since apologised for (thumbs down on podium) and if he had remained quiet and let his racing do the talking Yamaha may have taken a different position, I know loads of people who aren't particularly fond of Rossi who absolutely hate Lorenzo because of his attitude, he polarises opinion, that is a fact.

Yeah so the root cause is Rossi. What is sad is that the worst moment in MotoGP history last year which was rossi's fault and Lorenzo is the bad guy. Poor show.

Rossi should have been the bigger man and not wet his knickers in the press conference......what transpired after is only a reaction from his outburst.

Daniboy said:

because 46 had his meltdown there was argument and hubris floating around and Jorge missed a great chance to be the bigger man by his own antics which he has since apologised for (thumbs down on podium) and if he had remained quiet and let his racing do the talking Yamaha may have taken a different position, I know loads of people who aren't particularly fond of Rossi who absolutely hate Lorenzo because of his attitude, he polarises opinion, that is a fact.

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So we finally come down to it. You and others hate/"don't like the attitude" of Lorenzo (or MM/Stoner/Elias/Gibernau/Biaggi/whomever), so he deserved anything he got. Yet you have been crusading for several months against the "Rossi hating" on here.

This is my point; whatever Rossi does for those such as you he is the hero and the opponent somehow becomes the villain. What hubris did Lorenzo show last season, other than daring to try, and eventually succeed, in winning a 5th title against a more popular opponent, and since when have Yamaha been in the business of punishing hubris, pray tell?.

Some of we "Rossi haters" remember when GP bike racing was fought out on the track rather than being a popularity contest.

michaelm said:

So we finally come down to it. You and others hate/"don't like the attitude" of Lorenzo (or MM/Stoner/Elias/Gibernau/Biaggi/whomever), so he deserved anything he got. Yet you have been crusading for several months against the "Ross hating" on here.

This is my point; whatever Rossi does for those such as you he is the hero and the opponent somehow becomes the villain. What hubris did Lorenzo show last season, other than daring to try, and eventually succeed, in winning a 5th title against a more popular opponent, and since when have Yamaha been in the business of punishing hubris, pray tell?.

Some of we "Rossi haters" remember when GP bike racing was fought out on the track rather than being a popularity contest.

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Nonsense, but you read meanings into my posts that were never written so what can I expect?
I don't hate any riders, regardless of supporting Rossi and my #2 Dani, they need good rivals or a win is worthless is it not? And JL,CS,MM are all as described by Rossi 'great rivals' Just because I'm not keen on JL's clumsy media handling doesn't mean I don't have respect for his tremendous talent.
Did you think JL's thumbs down was a good thing ? Or that he was wise to publically lambast VR when he'd already been dealt with? Like I said before he had a great opportunity to be the good guy and didn't take it.

Richy56 said:

To put it simply without trying again to show you logic, in my opinion vale boy, 46s meltdown was the reason the party was cancelled in 2015.

If 46 didn't have his meltdown, the party would have gone ahead.

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The party was cancelled to placate Rossi. It was hence not very arguably a de facto endorsement by Jarvis/Yamaha of Rossi's late season 2015 narrative.

Lorenzo's heat of the moment response to the MM take out at Sepang, whether motivated by him being aghast at another rider being taken out by a deliberate illegal move or because Rossi had basically improved his chances against him in the title race by cheating, didn't affect the championship result at all, Rossi still managed to get the minimum penalty he could possibly have received, and Lorenzo won the title by on-track performance despite immense pressure on him.

Daniboy said:

Nonsense, but you read meanings into my posts that were never written so what can I expect?
I don't hate any riders, regardless of supporting Rossi and my #2 Dani, they need good rivals or a win is worthless is it not? And JL,CS,MM are all as described by Rossi 'great rivals' Just because I'm not keen on JL's clumsy media handling doesn't mean I don't have respect for his tremendous talent.
Did you think JL's thumbs down was a good thing ? Or that he was wise to publically lambast VR when he'd already been dealt with? Like I said before he had a great opportunity to be the good guy and didn't take it.

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Again you prove my point. What has your opinion that JL didn't take "a great opportunity to be the good guy" or him, again in your opinion, "polarising opinions" got to do with anything, and in particular with JL's championship win somehow not being worthy?. Rossi was the guy who made the unprovoked and unprovable allegations of conspiracy, and more to the point the guy who took out another rider by a deliberate illegal move, an occurrence unprecedented to my knowledge in the last 30 years of premier class gp bike racing, and JL's response is the issue? As I have repeatedly pointed out, unworthy though his ambition may have been, JL was actually trying to win a title as well, and Rossi taking out MM made sure of his lead in the standings being 7 points instead of 4 going into the last race, a quite material difference.

I used the word "hate" advisedly in the post to which you replied, given "Rossi haters" is what those of your allegiance call posters on here who have a different view on Rossi than they do, because bereft of any genuine arguments in regard to Lorenzo's title win being undeserved/somehow unworthy of recognition you took issue with his "attitude" and declaimed the "fact" that he polarised opinions ie in short you and others don't like him. I am not sure you understand what hubris means either.

Daniboy said:

Nonsense, but you read meanings into my posts that were never written so what can I expect?
I don't hate any riders, regardless of supporting Rossi and my #2 Dani, they need good rivals or a win is worthless is it not? And JL,CS,MM are all as described by Rossi 'great rivals' Just because I'm not keen on JL's clumsy media handling doesn't mean I don't have respect for his tremendous talent.
Did you think JL's thumbs down was a good thing ? Or that he was wise to publically lambast VR when he'd already been dealt with? Like I said before he had a great opportunity to be the good guy and didn't take it.

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Do you think Rossi's behaviour was a good thing?

I think Rossi's behaviour deserved a thumbs down. I said it on here before. He should have been sacked by yam for his behaviour yet you chose to blame a bloke who simply responded to the disgraced.

When you saw the reaction of MM old man, I thought JL was quite mellow!

@mike Sorry what point were you trying to make ? And why do you keep repeating things over and over?? Also where did I say JL's worthy title wasn't worthy??? Plus, surely you must be getting tired of only talking about Sepang 2015???? branch out man, there's a whole new season afoot and plenty of different stuff to talk about!

You argued that Yamaha cancelled, and in fact seemed to be implying that they were justified in cancelling, a victory celebration for Jorge's title win because of his response to the Rossi/MM incident at Sepang. Since that response in no way affected the title outcome, on what other grounds were you justifying said cancellation then?

I am always amused when someone who feels the need to keep replying to me questions why I post. Posting is on some level not rational obviously, as is being a sports fan in the first place, but it amuses me, and is something I can do while also doing other things. Within the limits of that, I keep making the same arguments because you keep making your same arguments, and failing to refute mine. It is satisfying when you start to claim to be more reasonable than I am, or than others you oppose, being a sure sign you don't have any actual arguments.

michaelm said:

You argued that Yamaha cancelled, and in fact seemed to be implying that they were justified in cancelling, a victory celebration for Jorge's title win because of his response to the Rossi/MM incident at Sepang. Since that response in no way affected the title outcome,
on what other grounds were you justifying said cancellation then?

I am always amused when someone who feels the need to keep replying to me questions why I post. Posting is on some level not rational obviously, as is being a sports fan in the first place, but it amuses me, and is something I can do while also doing other things. Within the limits of that, I keep making the same arguments because you keep making your same arguments, and failing to refute mine. It is satisfying when you start to claim to be more readonable than I am, or than others you oppose, being a sure sign you don't have any actual arguments.

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Ahhh, then we actually have common ground here! As I also feel that you fail to refute anything I say:spin:

Daniboy said:

Ahhh, then we actually have common ground here! As I also feel that you fail to refute anything I say:spin:

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You maintain your positions at least as adamantly as I do.

I from my own viewpoint at least try to address your arguments on the rare occasions you make any, such as your point (such as it was) about Yamaha's unprecedented cancellation of the celebration of Jorge winning the title, in regard to which you seemed to be arguing that Jorge's heat of the moment reaction to footage of MM being taken out of the race illegally was worse than MM being taken out illegally, which is far from unprecedented with Rossi fans.

michaelm said:

You maintain your positions at least as adamantly as I do.

I from my own viewpoint at least try to address your arguments on the rare occasions you make any, such as your point (such as it was) about Yamaha's unprecedented cancellation of the celebration of Jorge winning the title, in regard to which you seemed to be arguing that Jorge's heat of the moment reaction to footage of MM being taken out of the race illegally was worse than MM being taken out illegally, which is far from unprecedented with Rossi fans.

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Eh? You must have a magic phone screen that muddles words up! Or you are just muddled? How can you say I think or seem to think that? Because I don't whatsoever.

Daniboy said:

Eh? You must have a magic phone screen that muddles words up! Or you are just muddled? How can you say I think or seem to think that? Because I don't whatsoever.

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Ah, so irritation of other posters by intransigence/persistence is a game others apart from you can play.

Just for my and Richy 56's interest, what exactly was your point about Yamaha cancelling the celebration of Jorge's title win, and how exactly did hubris come into it? For that matter, was it Yamaha or was it Rossi who was or were the God or gods in question challenged by Jorge? And the role of which Greek God exactly was Yamaha assuming in punishing said hubris?

It was actually movistar that cancelled the celebration and it was before the championship had been won, according to reports at that time. They were pissed off with both riders, Rossi for his race .... up and Lorenzo for the podium and comments afterwards.

........ dani. You know it.