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A caravan on an island
Another point of view.
MotoGP, Movistar cancella la festa per Yamaha
Rough Translation
Sometimes, despite the victory there is nothing to celebrate . And 'what is happening to the Yamaha MotoGP team, who, after having already put brands and teams titles in board expects Sunday to find out who between Rossi and Lorenzo will win the drivers' championship. The triplet is served but things went very differently from the way it was expected.
The Movistar sponsors had already organized a big party for next Thursday, the best way to celebrate an incredible season, but decided to take a step back . The controversies that have affected the World Championship made him change his mind and cancel the party is a clear signal.
The storm has affected all the protagonists of the championship and the Movistar brand it was hit twice, both in the role of title sponsor of the Yamaha team as it holds the television rights for the championship of Spain. The journalist Emilio Pérez de Rozas, in an article in El Periodico , claims that those responsible for the communication of Movistar believe that their company's image has been damaged by the behavior of Rossi in the Malaysian GP and they see not even good eye Lorenzo's position in the team, which was put in a corner.
The Spanish brand has invested millions of Euros in sponsorship and TV rights and at the moment the investment is giving the opposite to the desired . Movistar has a contract that binds to Yamaha for 2016, but they are not excluded twists.
Only a few days ago Repsol, sponsor of the Honda factory team, expressed his embarrassment after what happened last week, threatening even an exit from MotoGP.
The championship seems to have proved a house of cards and it took a stronger breath than usual to put it at risk. How will manage the situation in the coming days will be critical to understand what will be its future.
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Pomona NY
Thank God for all medicine has done to prolong life expectancy in civilized countries. I feel certain I can live long enough to see a MotoGp field without Rossi in it and hopefully a decrease in glory-hunting Boppers who will lose interest and finally stop infesting this forum.:happy:
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A caravan on an island
Did you miss this bit Reggie, put it in your fave colour
William Favero, Communications & Marketing Manager added that "Yamaha dissociates from the action of Jorge Lorenzo. We were not warned, and that is a matter between the FIM and Rossi. We do not understand. Lorenzo is not part of the facts concerned. We also confirm that Rossi warned us all."
Read more: Movistar Cancels End-of-Season Party, Yamaha Disapproves Lorenzo's Intervention Request
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In Cider
Dani, it also says this before that statement:
While they didn't approve of Lorenzo's actions, as they say above, Rossi's is the one who cast the whole affair into an unfavourable light. I also say that article is written by someone in bias of Rossi, namely when they say this:
Where do I start? The definition of scapegoat is a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place. How can one argue that Rossi is a scapegoat when he is the one that instigated the accusations then made a move at Sepang that he has penalised for by race direction? He knows the rules of racing, and he broke them and was punished. Simple. The only scapegoat in this whole affair was Marquez.
While they didn't approve of Lorenzo's actions, as they say above, Rossi's is the one who cast the whole affair into an unfavourable light. I also say that article is written by someone in bias of Rossi, namely when they say this:
Where do I start? The definition of scapegoat is a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place. How can one argue that Rossi is a scapegoat when he is the one that instigated the accusations then made a move at Sepang that he has penalised for by race direction? He knows the rules of racing, and he broke them and was punished. Simple. The only scapegoat in this whole affair was Marquez.
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A caravan on an island
I know Rossi started the ball rolling, what I'm trying to point out is the reasoning behind the decision to not celebrate. And if you know about Japanese customs and protocol then you see why they took huge exception to Lorenzo's outburst.
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A caravan on an island
So Dani, if what you suppose if true, then why do you think that Yamaha took exception?
IMO here but it is because of who was the subject of the comment as that one singular person is Yamaha's MotoGP golden goose and it had little to do with the comments themselves.
Interestingly as well, (have only glanced at the article) but if it is due to JL's decision to try to get involved in the CAS hearing (a poorly thought out attempt I may say) then they absolve him for the thumbs down which wast he focus of your and many other comments
Nope, I call golden goose and dollars brightening the eyes of the Yamaha marketing arm who pull purse strings (no proof, just heresay and suspicion like all of us)
If roles were reversed hell would have to freeze over for the same actions and reactions to apply at corporate level
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A caravan on an island
Gaz, if you ever do business with Japanese people they are not open to bitchfests , not even remotely, I'm not on any side when I say this but I'll say it again and put it slightly different. If Jorge had toed the company line the celebration would have took place somehow. Japanese and honour go hand in hand.
I have done business with them but not at a high level (I was part of a team involved with a business deal within the ICT support area) and found them to be extremely tough but very honorable (unlike certain other people/businesses)
My point is that VR also broke their golden rules but as he is the golden goose he is excused as we should not forget that he left Yamaha after a dummy spit and somewhat petulant commentary but was encouraged and welcomed in his return. This of course does seem somewhat against the philosophy espoused and to me indicates that dollars and marketing capability has influenced the decision with VR being far more capable in that aspect than any other rider in the field .
IMO only once again, but like DORNA I do hope that Yamaha have not put all of their eggs in the one basket although I suspect that Yamaha are in a better position that DORNA in terms of being able to refill any hole that may be left if the egg breaks (riding wise)
I posted at the time of the Sepang race that Jorge's response to events at Sepang whilst understandable and even justifiable imo was far from politically astute, and from a Yamaha viewpoint it was understandable they wouldn't like one salaried employee presumably (I guess obviously) without their sanction involving himself in action by RD et al against another salaried employee. Part of all this is the fiction maintained about the sport in general, but by Honda and Yamaha in particular that this is a team sport, when all anyone is really interested in, especially leading riders like Rossi, Lorenzo and MM are individual goals, paramount among them the riders' title.
In the end Jorge's "attitude" did not influence the title outcome which he won by on-track performances, and that Yamaha cancelled a scheduled victory celebration because of this, or even more so that they were justified in doing so is drawing a rather longer bow however. If they considered him to have committed an egregious breach of his contract they should have sacked him or not offered him a new contract. Unless the new contract was a sham, cancelling the title celebration yet expecting him to take up the offer of a new contract would seem strange business practice even for the inscrutable Japanese. The opposing hypothesis to yours, and your view is also only an hypothesis, is that they did it to placate Rossi, in the process (intentionally or not) tacitly endorsing his view of events, and thought Jorge had no option but to stay with them.
My issue with you in this thread is that from a stance of supposedly dispassionately arguing the facts, you (perhaps displaying your own real attitude) ventured into discussion of Jorge's "bad attitude", his apparent tendency to "polarise opinions", at the very least irrelevant as well as a splinters and logs situation given the attitude Rossi had been displaying and was continuing to display, and that Jorge was guilty of "hubris". I will ask more politely, in what way was he guilty of hubris, other than by wanting to win the title just as much as Rossi did?
Otherwise see Gaz's post. JL has not maligned Yamaha at all to my knowledge, and even in announcing his move to Ducati was gracious about Yamaha, which has not necessarily been the case with other riders making such moves.
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Norah Head
it is several decades since I last studied any Greek tragedies, but I don't think either of them was really guilty of hubris last year, unless you want to call Jorge on his comment post season that he had now won the same number of titles as 3 previous legendary Yamaha riders, which had the virtue of being completely factual but was a point which would perhaps have been better made by someone else.
Rossi going to Ducati was pretty much textbook hubris however in the classical Greek sense ie however worthy your efforts have been after having great success not recognising that the gods have also favoured you.
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In Cider
The article you linked to is about Movistar cancelling their celebrations, not Yamaha. As you know, Movistar is Spanish.
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This is an ages old meme promoted by the Japanese themselves. Read a bit about Japanese history and you will find they are capable of double dealings and attrocities same as any other culture.
http://jalopnik.com/mitsubishi-admits-to-cheating-on-fuel-economy-tests-and-1772004418
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unda cheese
This is patently untrue. I have done business with scores of Japanese and have had quite a few problems.
If one doesnt not give the proper hand signals, undercuts a negotiation, finishes the job without forewarning or accidentally touches certain parts of their body while recieving a massage, they can get very bitchy. I have been ejected from quite a few hard negotiations
