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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 7 2007, 02:13 AM) [snapback]99371[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

He tries to keep the entertainment level high and hes the third best rider thats why people love him.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Nov 6 2007, 10:12 AM) [snapback]99133[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
...fair enough bikergirl, I didn't wish to misinterpret a single thing you said, but you have to admit, your opening statement below is way stronger than saying Rossi simply made things more entertaining, isn't it?
...sounds to me like you're saying Rossi made the sport, or very close to it. If you're not then I apologise for my acerbic response.

I would loved to have seen the likes of Ago or Hailwood or Surtees racing first hand but I'm not old enough. Just list all the great riders in GP racings' long and rich history and you will be hard pushed to identify one guy that did more for the sport than the other. Occasionally, a rider will stand out as exceptional and capture peoples' hearts but it is not the rider that makes the sport. Mention the word hero and you'll think Sheene, Hailwood, Rainey, Doohan, Rossi and the next one and the next one after that. This is a different age, when I was a kid in the early eighties, all you got was MCN once a week, back then it was full of racing news, clubbies, nationals and GP's, WSB didn't exist. But aside from the odd race on the TV where the commentary was usually pretty woeful and nobody fully realsed the big picture. that was all you got. But still, even in those media dark ages, Hailwood, Roberts et al became household names, how did they do it in what seem to be such innocent eras when compared to today's world? Somebody tell me?

Now we are bombarded with crap 24/7, more people watch TV, everybody's online, everything is 'marketed', Valentino Rossi is marketed, he's a houehold name. His marketing guys are .... hot, He started his own PR company, he makes millions out of endorsements and other marketing add-ons. You'd need to be a hermit to have never heard of him. The next guy will be the same, be it Lorenzo or whoever, that's the way the world is.

This is so wrong, I have to quote you again...


You are a stuborn beast arn't you? ;-) Btw, watched any of the last races with closeups of front tires/surface where you clearly see the huge amount of flex in the tire? BTW2 recent years has seen a substantial drop in tire pressure. Now they go as low as 25-26psi compared to 29 -31 just a few years ago. Wonder why.

Anyway, back to topic. I guess you have a point with the marketing, and I give you a free argument: Internet, Satelite and cabel technology made it possible, but when it comes to promoting the sport none of the old hearos come even close to what Rossi has been part of, simply because it was impossible. So let the heros rest, it's not about the greatest in the sport, but who has reached out to most people, and in that regard they are not even in the competition.

I find Bikergirls post quite accurate so I guess we have a very different googles on. Differnece is that I don't read more into it than what it said. He is the gratest crowd puller ever, and that's siply a fact.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 7 2007, 10:34 AM) [snapback]99416[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You are a stuborn beast arn't you? ;-) Btw, watched any of the last races with closeups of front tires/surface where you clearly see the huge amount of flex in the tire? BTW2 recent years has seen a substantial drop in tire pressure. Now they go as low as 25-26psi compared to 29 -31 just a few years ago. Wonder why.


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ok ok, you got me good. I have seen that and must admit the first time I saw it I did have a good laugh and I've heard about guys going lower and lower with tyre pressure to make them flex more to get them hotter and increase the contact patch, you don't forget much do ya fish?
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On the Rossi thing, yeah for sure he's the greatest crowd puller ever, undoubtedly, until the next one comes along, could be Lorenzo, could be anybody. It's the blind faith that Rossi is/was the motogp messiah! It's the implication that without Valentino, motogp would be in trouble and half of us would be sat at home twiddling our thumbs having never heard of motogp that's got me so stubborn
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Nov 7 2007, 02:36 PM) [snapback]99447[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
On the Rossi thing, yeah for sure he's the greatest crowd puller ever, undoubtedly, until the next one comes along, could be Lorenzo, could be anybody. It's the blind faith that Rossi is/was the motogp messiah! It's the implication that without Valentino, motogp would be in trouble and half of us would be sat at home twiddling our thumbs having never heard of motogp that's got me so stubborn
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Messiah is a big word Skid. I don't believe Rossi is a Messiah, God or any deity of any sort. I think Rossi is just a guy. A great one, but still a guy.
And I never said he is motogp. (I can be stubborn too see? And if it comes to a contest, nobody more stubborn than me). I'm sorry you took my words so personally dude. I made it clear I was refering to the half baked idiots who come on here spouting all the wisdom earned in less than a season of following the sport and who get their kicks out of insulting a great man. I've never dissed any rider. To me they're all great, despite their fan base who do their heros more harm than good by making people mentally associate them with troglodytes. Just because last year this place was crawling with 'fans' who had a recently acquired adoration of Nicky Hayden and who came on here spouting anti-rossi venom instead of pro-hayden wisdom didn't make me hate that gorgeous piece of Kentucky butt. And certainly no one's going to make me hate Stoner. But Vale and Marco are my boys and I defend my right to defend them. That's all. It's so funny though that even now that Vale hasn't been champion for a year, it's still him that everyone picks on. The new stoner fans haven't come on here to pick on Nicky. Just goes to show that deep down they all know that Vale can't be written off so easily.
And because I'm a good kind girl who wants to make peace..for the enjoyment of all here's a couple of girls I made friends with at Valencia this weekend...


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I have to say I think the Biaggi Vs Gibernau battles would have been pretty good without Rossi. But I can't see either of them having such broad appeal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 7 2007, 09:21 AM) [snapback]99408[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Valentino is the greatest rider of all time.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 7 2007, 07:53 PM) [snapback]99543[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I have to say I think the Biaggi Vs Gibernau battles would have been pretty good without Rossi. But I can't see either of them having such broad appeal.

Actually Biaggi was always appealing.
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Just like Mc Enroe...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Nov 7 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]99497[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
didn't make me hate that gorgeous piece of Kentucky butt.


now that Vale hasn't been champion for a year, it's still him that everyone picks on. The new stoner fans haven't come on here to pick on Nicky. Just goes to show that deep down they all know that Vale can't be written off so easily.


And because I'm a good kind girl who wants to make peace..for the enjoyment of all here's a couple of girls I made friends with at Valencia this weekend...
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A. behave bg, ive told you before about that.

B. aint that the truth
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C. hubba hubba. bet your the one on the left
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Stop cracking onto the youguns Rog, hobble off back to the reitrement home and let the youth have what's rightly theres
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gaz @ Nov 5 2007, 10:43 AM) [snapback]98928[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yep, still miss them and always will.

Thank god for video, DVD and the net to track down footage.
Garry

Best site i've found for this kind of stuff

https://www.racing-underground.com/index.ru
 
Not sure they would appreciate linking to the site yamaka46
It's already been closed by the FOM before and I hope it doesn't happen again.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 10 2007, 01:25 AM) [snapback]100032[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Best site i've found for this kind of stuff

https://www.racing-underground.com/index.ru




Thanks Yamaka but already knew of it but haven't really hit it yet.

But again, thanks anyway




Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Nov 5 2007, 01:36 AM) [snapback]98846[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
"Fiat Yamaha Team finalises 2008 line-up

Following the conclusion of the 2007 season, Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd and Yamaha Motor Racing Srl are pleased to be able to confirm the final line-up of their 2008 Factory Team.

Seven-time World Champion Valentino Rossi and two time 250cc World Champion Jorge Lorenzo will contest the 2008 MotoGP World Championship as team-mates in the Fiat Yamaha Team.

Yamaha can also confirm its plan to run Valentino Rossi on Bridgestone tyres in 2008, while Jorge Lorenzo will be racing with Michelin tyres.

In order to facilitate the use of both Michelin tyres and Bridgestone tyres within the Yamaha Factory Team and to ensure confidentiality of data for each tyre company, Yamaha will organize separate rider pit boxes, but the Fiat Yamaha Team will continue to operate and race as one team.

As a consequence, the organization of the Team for 2008 will be as altered. "
The sook is causing FIAT Yamaha to turn their team upside down and inside out, will the switch be more trouble than its worth?



All this crp from Aussies made me stop buying Australian products, mainly wine and beer. Stuff it!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evolution @ Nov 11 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]100268[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
All this crp from Aussies made me stop buying Australian products, mainly wine and beer. Stuff it!


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thats wacko
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evolution @ Nov 11 2007, 12:05 PM) [snapback]100268[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
All this crp from Aussies made me stop buying Australian products, mainly wine and beer. Stuff it!

I certainly wouldn't buy any of the australian beer which is exported in the first place.
 
I broke my Didgeridoo in half, pulled the teeth from my Crocodile Dundee hat, & threw away my boomerang.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 12 2007, 01:02 AM) [snapback]100286[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I broke my Didgeridoo in half, pulled the teeth from my Crocodile Dundee hat, & threw away my boomerang.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 11 2007, 03:02 PM) [snapback]100286[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I broke my Didgeridoo in half, pulled the teeth from my Crocodile Dundee hat, & threw away my boomerang.

Didn't the boomerang fly back and smack you in the face? That would make the Aussies happy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Nov 12 2007, 07:09 AM) [snapback]100319[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Didn't the boomerang fly back and smack you in the face? That would make the Aussies happy.


No they hurt!! ..... I told him to "duck"
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gaz @ Nov 5 2007, 08:13 PM) [snapback]98917[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I will agree with the comments that Rossi has been good (great even) for MotoGP, but it has also been great for Rossi and for me, no he has not made the sport what it is, but I have been watching since the days of Fast Freddie et al. To me he is just another rider, albeit a supremely talented one above many (most, but not IMO all) of his contempories past and present.


Agree with all you've said in this post Gaz but especially with the above! World Championship Motorcycle racing has been around for a long time, has seen various champions come & go and has survived... it will also survive the eventual loss of Rossi, who will always be revered as one of the greats!

I honestly believe that we're on the verge of a new "golden era" in the MotoGP class & I'm keen as mustard to see what 2008 will bring
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